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NTamm1215 06-24-2009 02:38 PM

6/27-28 (BEL): Mother Goose (G1); First Flight H. (G2)
 
4th (2:36) Fratello Ed. S.

1 1/16 Miles | Open | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $65,000

1 Z Fortune Borel C H 120 L
2 Naughty New Yorker Samyn J L 121 L
3 Wishful Tomcat Dominguez R A 123 L
4 Dr. V's Magic Castellano J J 120 L
5 Future Prospect Velasquez C 120 L
6 That'srightofficer Prado E S 120 L
7 R Clear Victory Velazquez J R 121 L



9th (5:17) Mother Goose S. (G1)

1 1/8 Miles | Fillies | 3 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $300,000

1 Hopeful Image Prado E S 121 L
2 Don't Forget Gil Garcia Alan 121 L
3 Rachel Alexandra Borel C H 121 L
4 Malibu Prayer Velazquez J R 121 L
5 Flashing Castellano J J 121 L



SUNDAY 8th (4:44) First Flight H. (G2)

7 Furlongs | Fillies and Mares | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $150,000

1 Carolyn's Cat Garcia Alan 117 L
2 Spritely Velazquez J R 116 L
3 Porte Bonheur Dominguez R A 116 L
4 Iron Butterfly Court J K 114 L
5 Sunday Geisha Migliore R 114 L
6 Turn Away Desormeaux K J 114 L

Sightseek 06-24-2009 06:57 PM

OK, I'll be the first to say it.

I'm super duper excited to see Rachel run on Saturday!

freddymo 06-24-2009 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215
4th (2:36) Fratello Ed. S.

1 1/16 Miles | Open | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $65,000

1 Z Fortune Borel C H 120 L
2 Naughty New Yorker Samyn J L 121 L
3 Wishful Tomcat Dominguez R A 123 L
4 Dr. V's Magic Castellano J J 120 L
5 Future Prospect Velasquez C 120 L
6 That'srightofficer Prado E S 120 L
7 R Clear Victory Velazquez J R 121 L



9th (5:17) Mother Goose S. (G1)

1 1/8 Miles | Fillies | 3 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $300,000

1 Hopeful Image Prado E S 121 L
2 Don't Forget Gil Garcia Alan 121 L
3 Rachel Alexandra Borel C H 121 L
4 Malibu Prayer Velazquez J R 121 L
5 Flashing Castellano J J 121 L

I an thinking Rachel has a big shot how about you Steve? You figure she struggles with this group of want to be's.......What the F is Naughty doing racing for 65k come on he has to be better then that..

10 pnt move up 06-24-2009 08:28 PM

Well flashing is a little better then those in the Oaks so she will only win by 15 lengths.

When is she going to get out of these 3yo restricted races.

NTamm1215 06-24-2009 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up
Well flashing is a little better then those in the Oaks so she will only win by 15 lengths.

When is she going to get out of these 3yo restricted races.

Yeah, what a soft campaign they've orchestrated with her.

NT

blackthroatedwind 06-24-2009 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up
Well flashing is a little better then those in the Oaks so she will only win by 15 lengths.

When is she going to get out of these 3yo restricted races.

I hope this is a joke.

eajinabi 06-24-2009 08:57 PM

I see that Calvin Borel is riding races prior to the Mother Goose. I really thought he would take the week off before riding Rachel Alexander.

Sightseek 06-24-2009 08:59 PM

ALEXANDRA!

Why is this so difficult?

blackthroatedwind 06-24-2009 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Sightseek
ALEXANDRA!

Why is this so difficult?


Apparently.

Coach Pants 06-24-2009 09:03 PM

Raquel Alec Andrea will win.

RolloTomasi 06-24-2009 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Sightseek
ALEXANDRA!

Why is this so difficult?

I wouldn't be so condescending until after getting a glance underneath "Rachel"'s tail.

You heard about Chaz Bono, haven't you?

10 pnt move up 06-24-2009 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
I hope this is a joke.

my feeling is I can never judge a three year old until they face elders, she clearly is a very good horse because she dominated MTB though.

It was a semi joke, I want more proof before I get on the "she is better then Ruffian" bandwagon.

blackthroatedwind 06-24-2009 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up
my feeling is I can never judge a three year old until they face elders, she clearly is a very good horse because she dominated MTB though.

It was a semi joke, I want more proof before I get on the "she is better then Ruffian" bandwagon.


You were trying to top yourself I assume?

Nobody that knows anything about racing is claiming she is an all-time great.

10 pnt move up 06-24-2009 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
You were trying to top yourself I assume?

Nobody that knows anything about racing is claiming she is an all-time great.

just on the message boards my friend, and believe me they all think they know.

King Glorious 06-24-2009 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up
my feeling is I can never judge a three year old until they face elders, she clearly is a very good horse because she dominated MTB though.

It was a semi joke, I want more proof before I get on the "she is better then Ruffian" bandwagon.

So when Easy Goer was running against Sunday Silence, you couldn't judge him until after he faced older in the Whitney? and you couldn't get a feeling on Sunday Silence until he won the BC?

10 pnt move up 06-24-2009 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious
So when Easy Goer was running against Sunday Silence, you couldn't judge him until after he faced older in the Whitney? and you couldn't get a feeling on Sunday Silence until he won the BC?

your comparing racing from 1989 to 2009? Come on, and War Emblem looked like a world beater at this time of the year as well.

King Glorious 06-25-2009 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up
your comparing racing from 1989 to 2009? Come on, and War Emblem looked like a world beater at this time of the year as well.

The point is that the whole thing about needing to beat older is extremely overrated. what matters is beating the best competition and sometimes, that best competition comes from within your own division. Look at Goldikova last year. she beat older horses and males at the same time. but she couldn't beat Zarkava, a fellow 3yo filly. I want to see Zenyatta take on the boys this year but I'd rather see her face Rachel Alexandra than face Bullsbay in the Hollywood Gold Cup. Life is Sweet isn't going to be voted as champion over Zenyatta if she wins the Gold Cup simply because she stepped outside of her division. It's about the competition, not the age or sex.

King Glorious 06-25-2009 12:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Sightseek
OK, I'll be the first to say it.

I'm super duper excited to see Rachel run on Saturday!

Wheree you also this excited for her last workout?

chucklestheclown 06-25-2009 12:30 AM

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Originally Posted by freddymo
I an thinking Rachel has a big shot how about you Steve? You figure she struggles with this group of want to be's.......What the F is Naughty doing racing for 65k come on he has to be better then that..

Better? Is that a typo? The better question is why he's running back so soon.
Jen?

RolloTomasi 06-25-2009 12:49 AM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious
The point is that the whole thing about needing to beat older is extremely overrated.

As a side note, the irony of the whole Rachel Alexandra-Ruffian comparison is that Ruffian never ran against her elders.

Sightseek 06-25-2009 06:39 AM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious
Wheree you also this excited for her last workout?

Only super excited - I didn't get to see it. ;)

richard burch 06-25-2009 10:40 AM

9th (5:17) Mother Goose S. (G1)

1 1/8 Miles | Fillies | 3 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $300,000

1 Hopeful Image Prado E S 121 L
2 Don't Forget Gil Garcia Alan 121 L
3 Rachel Alexandra Borel C H 121 L
4 Malibu Prayer Velazquez J R 121 L
5 Flashing Castellano J J 121 L



$1,000 exacta. 3 with all

letswastemoney 06-25-2009 08:41 PM

Does anyone think Flashing or Malibu Prayer can beat RA? I mean anything can happen...and their speed figures aren't that far off from RA

NTamm1215 06-25-2009 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by letswastemoney
Does anyone think Flashing or Malibu Prayer can beat RA? I mean anything can happen...and their speed figures aren't that far off from RA

Which speed figures are you using because no one in this race is even close to her?

I also thought the Nassau County was one of the ugliest races I've ever seen and I think it'll be an accomplishment if Flashing finishes 3rd.

NT

letswastemoney 06-25-2009 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215
Which speed figures are you using because no one in this race is even close to her?

I also thought the Nassau County was one of the ugliest races I've ever seen and I think it'll be an accomplishment if Flashing finishes 3rd.

NT

Bris...I was reading the free PPs. Flashing has a 102 in one of her optional claiming races. I don't know how she looks in the DRF.

hockey2315 06-25-2009 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by letswastemoney
Bris...I was reading the free PPs. Flashing has a 102 in one of her optional claiming races. I don't know how she looks in the DRF.

Don't waste your time w/ Bris figs

Top Beyer for each horse -

Hopeful Image - 81
Don't Forget Gil - 90
Rachel Alexandra - 108
Malibu Prayer - 86
Flashing - 92

Merlinsky 06-25-2009 11:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hockey2315
Don't waste your time w/ Bris figs

Top Beyer for each horse -

Hopeful Image - 81
Don't Forget Gil - 90
Rachel Alexandra - 108
Malibu Prayer - 86
Flashing - 92

Forgive me, I don't generally obsess about number derivation past a point, but are these just highest overall and not highest one turn Beyer or BSF for the same distance as the Mother Goose? The MGS is one turn correct? Does it matter to consider distance or number of turns when looking at past Beyers?

hockey2315 06-25-2009 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Merlinsky
Forgive me, I don't generally obsess about number derivation past a point, but are these just highest overall and not highest one turn Beyer or BSF for the same distance as the Mother Goose? The MGS is one turn correct? Does it matter to consider distance or number of turns when looking at past Beyers?

These are just the highest overall - which all happen to be routes (Hopeful Image's 81 was on turf, so I guess I should've given her highest dirt fig, which was a 77 in the mud. They should have set her odds at 100-1). I don't think any horse in the race has ever run a 1 turn 9F race before, and personally I think in most cases the 1 turn vs. 2 turn thing is made to be a bigger deal than it really is. I do know that Beyer formulas often differ between 1 and 2 turn races depending on the day.

Bigsmc 06-26-2009 05:14 AM

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Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up
just on the message boards my friend, and believe me they all think they know.

I must have missed those threads.

letswastemoney 06-27-2009 02:45 AM

Hey does anyone like Don't Forget Gil for 2nd? RA could end up cooking Flashing and Malibu Prayer on the front end, setting it up for DFG.

SOREHOOF 06-27-2009 10:45 AM

Doubt if there will be exacta wagering.http://www.drf.com/news/article/105026.html

10 pnt move up 06-27-2009 12:19 PM

3 horses, is that a joke, all three are now grade 1 placed no matter the outcome.

eajinabi 06-27-2009 03:38 PM

3 horse field for the mother goose and 5 horse field in the Vanity. Absolute joke. A day with two of the best filly and mare running yet they are not running against each other. One owner is scared of synthetics and the other is scared to go out of cali. Thanks guys for supporting the fans

Bigsmc 06-27-2009 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by eajinabi
3 horse field for the mother goose and 5 horse field in the Vanity. Absolute joke. A day with two of the best filly and mare running yet they are not running against each other. One owner is scared of synthetics and the other is scared to go out of cali. Thanks guys for supporting the fans

Why would either of them ship across the country to run against each other for the same purse money?

eajinabi 06-27-2009 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Bigsmc
Why would either of them ship across the country to run against each other for the same purse money?

Pocket change for both Moss and Jackson. It should not be about purse winnings for them but apparently it is.

Bigsmc 06-27-2009 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by eajinabi
Pocket change for both Moss and Jackson. It should not be about purse winnings for them but apparently it is.

What should it be about? Making eajinabi happy?

NTamm1215 06-27-2009 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by eajinabi
Pocket change for both Moss and Jackson. It should not be about purse winnings for them but apparently it is.

http://www.drf.com/news/article/105032.html

NT

eajinabi 06-27-2009 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Bigsmc
What should it be about? Making eajinabi happy?

Exactly! thats the whole idea

eajinabi 06-27-2009 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215

Now thats good news.

pointman 06-27-2009 04:29 PM

Wow, like she needed any help, what were Castellano and JR thinking there?


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