NBA Trades
 

Today's trades in the nibba have everything to do with the luxury tax/salary cap. Lets look at each one:

Bucks get Oberto, bruce bowen and kurt thomas for Richard Jefferson. Spurs got a steal right? They sure did. Such is the benefit when you don't make bad contracts and your salary structure is correct. The bucks save 15 million dollars off the cap for 2010-11 and after they release two of the players they traded for they will be 11 million under the cap.

The wizards deal was a lot more disheartening...especially if you are a fan. We give up the number 5 pick (harden? thabeet? tyreke?) for Randy foye and mike miller? Okay, i get it that we get to shed a couple of awful contracts but couldnt we have gotten something a little better than foye and miller? This was a luxury tax move pure and simple.

The Bucks are doomed to forever suck. Jefferson makes the Spurs better. I dont think the Wizards trade was a salary dump considering that they are still over the lux tax. Not to mention that Harden doesnt fit on a team with Arenas and the other two are likely to be taken before 5 anyway.

pgardn is happy...


All involved for the Spurs will most likely retire.
Bucks release them, I dont think they try to play anywhere else.
Oberto bad heart. Bowen just old. Thomas same.
Hope they keep Bowen on staff after the Bucks release him.


Interesting stuff on the Wizards.

The wizards are still over the tax but every dollar counts. They save the tax plus the salary they would have to pay on the pick (3m +3m). Beyond that, Miller's salary comes off the books this year and although Etan's contract would have anyway, they no longer have to pay songaila and pecherov which will save them about 7 million next year. The pick will about even out with Foye's contract. So over two years they save about 10 million in salary and at least another 3 million in luxury tax.

Foye and Miller certainly make them better but i would think they could have gotten much more for that 5th pick besides a very average 6 4 combo guard and what amounts to a good expiring contract that can hit an open jumper.

As long as Gilbert is there to kill any team defense played, the Wizards will play a brand of NBA ball best described as HORSE.

Having cap space and being Milwaukee is like having $10 million in the bank and can't find your atm card or remember your account number. Nobody wants to go there. Washington isn't much more desireable.

The question is would you rather have Foye or maybe Harden? Foye is no star player but is a proven NBA capable scorer. I'd take a bird in the hand always.

The Spurs once again showed why they are one of the best run franchises in all of sports.

Thats a good question. You would take a proven mediocrity for a player that could be any kind?

I don't consider a guy that can get me 16 and four assists a night as mediocrity. There are maybe 20-25 guys in the league that score more. It's not a superstar by any means but I don't see it as mediocrity. If they were to take a guy like Harden or Evans or DeRozan, I don't see any of those guys being better. Potential can go either way. I'd rather take a guy that's proven over one that at best, shows the potential only to be slightly better. We see potentially great players every year that don't pan out. Recently, look at guys like Adam Morrison, JJ Redick, Corey Brewer, Brandon Wright, Jerryd Bayless, Martell Webster, Gerald Green, Eddie Griffin, Stromile Swift, Darius Miles...the list goes on and on. All of those guys were higher regarded than Harden, Evans, and De Rozan and none of them has become much of anything. When you are a team that's at or near the top and you aren't needing a guy to come in right away and produce, you can take a chance with getting one of these high potential guys over a proven NBA producer and wait for him to develop. When you are a team like the Wizards, you can't.

I get your point although i dont know where JJ Redick was more highly regarded than any of those guys but the point stands.

It really comes down to what you think of Foye. If you think he was scoring 16 despite playing on a bad team, you make the trade. If you think it was because he was on a bad team, you don't.

For the wizards, I still don't see the sense. They now have about 8 guards under contract. Where do they find minutes for all these guys? If you are starting foye, it would appear that you have some serious defensive problems with him and arenas in the backcourt.

I think this trade is the pre cursor to another move. At least...i hope so.

I think Miller would start and Foye would be 1st guard off the bench. It is a pretty good three man backcourt. Harden is not a NBA star quality player. He is more of a Larry Hughes type. While they avoid paying a big contract by trading the pick they are a better team this year, maybe good enough to be a 4/5 seed in the playoffs and potentially in the mix for a big time FA next year if they can shed a little more cap space. They have to avoid injuries though which is hard to predict. I have to go to KY division of motor vehicles now so I'll talk to you guys again after the draft when i get back.

i was gonna ask what people thought about this trade. I know who miller is, but he's been bounced around a bunch of teams, and i knew foye was a decent young guy (in reality Songaila was the ONLY semi-proodcuer the wiz gave up), but the 5th pick was a bit over the top. Giving minny the 5-6 18th and 28th picks? are you F'ing kidding me

-bt-

Except that this is widely regarded as one of the weakest drafts in recent history. Behind Griffin there isn't a single guy that is solid bet to be an NBA All Star. There are a lot of projects and a lot of guys that will be solid role players but there are very few guys that you can build a franchise around.

I think it is a trade that makes sense for both sides. Washington is in the weak East and got guys that assure they will be a playoff team next year. Minnesota is in the much tougher west and had no chance of making the playoffs in the next couple years with those guys so need to luck into some draft picks that pan out and make them contenders again.

Supposedly Bowen will be released and re-sign with the Spurs as soon as he is able to.

This is why they are the Clippers. They are trading Zach Randolph for Quentin Richardson. Seriously.

It is a good move unless you are playing fantasy NBA. Randolph is a cancer who has improved every team he has ever been on....by leaving. They just drafted Blake Griffin, did you really think they were keeping him? And do you really think that anyone is going to give up much for him? Richardsons $9 million dollar contract expires after this year which will give the Clips a lot of money next summer. Randolph is owed $33 million over the next 2 years and plays the same position as the recently selected number 1 pick in the draft. It is a rare good move by the Clips.

I think it may be over for Bowen.
He has been spotted at theatres eating
buttered popcorn.

Spurs looking at Sheed.
Please no.
I would rather win a championship
without this dolt.

I don't think so. I like Griffin a lot but Randolph is a proven 20-10 guy in the league. Those guys aren't standing on every corner in LA. They don't exactly play the same spot either. Griffin is more of a post guy than Randolph is. I could see them both on the court at the same time and if they feel like they won't work together, you can get more for him than Richardson. The guys loved playing with him last year. Too much is made of that whole think about a guy being a cancer to a team. Guys are paid too much money to be concerned with anything other than what a guy can give you on the court and Randolph has produced everywhere he's played. The Clippers are a team that needs as much as they can get. They can't be looking at building for the future. Playing in LA, in the same building as the Lakers, the future is always now. There would have been no problem with keeping Randolph. Kaman and Camby aren't the healthiest of big men and they need the depth. If they want to trade him later, after Griffin has started to prove himself, trade him at the trade deadline or next year when his contract is an expiring one and get a good player. I am positive they could have gotten more than Richardson.

Dude. He is owed $33 million dollars, got a DUI and punched a guy last year. They won 19 games with him. you would be hard pressed to find anyone else to think Randolph and Griffith are compatable.

You are SO wrong about the cancer aspect. It is THE biggest problem that NBA coaches face. There are lots of talented guys that dont care about anything but their numbers. Randolph is the poster child of that club. He was a huge mistake and Memphis is getting them off the $33 million dollar hook. When you find a way out of a huge mistake you take it.

They arent a contender. For the life of me I cant see why you think this team is a contender. They have some nice players, but this is a dysfunctional roster which was made a little less disfunctional.

Randolph is a pitiful defender.
He cares a whole lot about his numbers.
Its not just about offense.
Not enough of his 10 rebounds
come after a tough battle under
the defensive boards.

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/...The-Night.html

Good piece by a really good writer who hasnt been ESPNized.

Forgive me, but how can anyone love the NBA?

Sorry..that article is awesome...:wf

And I didn't mean to butt into your thread..I just don't get it.

http://nba.fanhouse.com/2009/07/01/g...e-war-on-fans/

More love for Zach

You are blackhawks fan. What is more irrelevant than the Blackhawks?

Best athletes in any team sport.
Players are on an island unlike football.

You cannot stick some 350 lb dude in the middle
of the line for every 3rd and short and get away with it.
Cant have some reliever pitch to 1 batter and win it.

Its easy to see if you suck.
You cant get lost, you have to contribute.

For once I agree with Pgardn and cannon shell. Getting rid of Zach Randolph's contract for ANYTHING was great. Getting rid of it for an expiring 9 million is a STEAL.

Zach randolph is an extremely talented player...perhaps the greatest ever to play at storied Marion high school. However, he is a confirmed idiot that needs the ball in the post and kills any kind of chemistry both on the floor and in the locker room. That 20-10 needs a serious asterisk.

Sorry but 20-10 never needs an asterisk. Not in the toughest league in the world. There are only a few people in the world capable of doing it. He's one of the. And he's done it consistently for a number of years.

It's almost physically impossible to be a good NBA player and have as low a winning percentage as Zach Randolph has since he's become a regular player. He's a stat stuffer but not a good player.

A friend of mine who's a Knicks fan could never figure out, being how disfunctional they are, how Isaah hadn't traded for Zach. Eventually, Zeke didn't let him down.

Zach is talented.....and a complete disaster. Why any team would want him is beyond me.

Been drinking? Very un-BTW of you.

I don't have the time to drink.

Couldn't it be considered a colloquialism?

You can't jump from a spelling mistake to using 'colloquialism' in one step, that is just too much of a stretch.

Well, I hate the supposed word, but many would argue that irregardless is a colloquialism.

More like unnecessary and potentially confusing redundancy.

You want someone to point out regardless.

Someone do it.

stop it..both of you

That's really unfair. His first four years as a starter, he played for the Jail Blazers. Then he went to the Knicks. Then the Clippers. Bill Russell, Michael Jordan, and Magic Johnson would have a hard time having a winning percentage playing with those teams. I understand that a guy can be a 20-10 guy and not be clutch. Garnett to me was that way to me for years. Chris Webber to some extent was that way. A lot of people believe Dirk Nowitzki is that same way. While some guys are more box score (Randolph) and some guys are more results (Duncan), there is just no way in the world that you can be a 20-10 guy in this league and not be a good player. Now that's impossible. Nobody is calling a top 10 or even top 20 player. Nobody is calling him a great teammate. I'm not even arguing that he's not overpaid a little. But for the kind of production that he gives a team, he's worth much more than a Quentin Richardson. For a coach to have the luxury of penciling in a guy that will get you 20-10 a night every night, year after year, that's something any coach would take. Randolph has been among the better players of his peers since high school. You just do not succeed and produce the way he does and not be a good player.

He is a good player. But he really has no concept of team.
A guy that gives you 20-10 and then gives up bunnies underneath
the entire game on the defensive end is not worth as much as his
numbers say. He is pitiful on defense. Imo because it requires effort
that he exerts fully on the offensive end. For a guy that starts, he
gets a too large a % of O-rbounds v. D-rbounds. This may have been
due to the style of play of some of those teams. But most likely
is another indicator of where his effort really occurs, which is offensively.

Other issues along with the above make him extremely undesirable
for teams looking to win a division, or with young guys that play his position
that need to develop. He does not need to be anywhere near Blake
Griffin on a team. Golden State would be a very good fit for Randolph's
style.

Dont be so obsessed with stats that you lose track of how they are acheived and at what cost to the team.

Did you actually WATCH any of the clipper games last year? I will post an article by the sports guy that i found especially entertaining that contained a little about Randolph in it. Its hilarious.

Randolph is a VERY TALENTED player. He is big, strong and has a very nice touch to about 16 ft. But he needs the ball and he does incredibly stupid things at times when he gets it. Is it a coincidence that no one wants him?

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2...1&sportCat=nba

Nah, I didn't watch a game. I only have season tickets to the Clippers. I'd take a Zach Randolph on my team any day. You guys are acting as if he is the reason the Knicks sucked. Thomas ruined a whole league but Randolph is the reason why the Knicks sucked. The Clippers were an example of the model NBA franchise before Randolph got there. He single handedly sunk that team. The season before he became a starter in Portland, the Blazers weren't a bad team. The sank to 41 wins in his first year. Had nothing to do with two of their three leading scorers from the previous year missing 37 and 31 games and the third guy not even being there. Blame it all on Randolph that Portland sank to 27 wins the next year, even though they had eight guys that started 30 or more games and their leading minutes guys after Randolph were Shareef Abdur-Rahim, Damon Stoudamire, Nick Van Exel, Ruben Patterson, Theo Ratliff, and Darius Miles. Yeah, Randolph really disrupted THAT team and made them bad.

Who said everything should be blamed on Randolph? Who said he singlehandedly ruined a team? It wasnt me.

Randolph, though talented, is dumb and selfish. I can't quantify those qualities with stats. You just have to watch the games to understand. Portland got what for Randolph? New York got what for Randolph? Now the Clips are giving him away for nothing. Why? are all of these execs just dumb? Donnie Walsh suddenly dumb?