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pgardn 06-15-2009 09:15 PM

Iran
 
Looks like Imadinnerjacket's people screwed the elections
up pretty nicely. When an opposition leader loses in his own
hometown by a 10 to 1 margin and the overall election is about
2/3 to 1/3...

If you are going to fix an election, this is a very inept way to do it.
I guess the people in charge of working on their nuclear device
will be asked to try and do a better job.

I think Obama's strategy of staying clear of this is the right one.
If we get involved with the more moderate factions it might
swing fully back to the hardliners. The grand leader has actually
said they will investigate, backtracking on his own man. Probably
just trying to buy some time for things to settle down. Nonetheless,
a very interesting view of Iran's politics and their people.

Coach Pants 06-15-2009 11:37 PM

Iran so far away

Riot 06-15-2009 11:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pgardn
I think Obama's strategy of staying clear of this is the right one.

I read one assessment from a middle east expert type that was saying Obama's answer was perfect, for exactly the reason you said about the hardliners - he had to be careful, if he came on too strong it would feed right into Khom. hands regarding outside interference.

Unbelievable, the protests going on. Coordination via twitter. Who would have thought. They'll be back daily, they say.

dellinger63 06-16-2009 12:41 AM

Hope as in just hope Carter stays out of it.

pgardn 06-16-2009 08:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coach Pants
Iran so far away

A Flock of Seagulls.

Riot 06-16-2009 08:09 PM

I'm seeing news reports that are hard to believe, no, it wasn't on The Onion. First, that Ahmadinejad is in Russia. Secondly:

8:38 PM ET -- In a stunning development, Iran's most senior cleric Grand Ayatollah Hossein Ali Montazeri denounced the election results, reports McClatchy Newspapers:

"No one in their right mind can believe" the official results from Friday's contest, Grand Ayatollah Hossein Ali Montazeri said of the landslide victory claimed by Ahmadinejad. Montazeri accused the regime of handling Mousavi's charges of fraud and the massive protests of his backers "in the worst way possible."

"A government not respecting people's vote has no religious or political legitimacy," he declared in comments on his official Web site. "I ask the police and army personals (personnel) not to 'sell their religion,' and beware that receiving orders will not excuse them before God."

dellinger63 06-17-2009 12:13 AM

:zz: :zz: :zz

Jimmy Carter your guy!!!!!!!!

hi_im_god 06-18-2009 03:14 PM

ahmadinajed allegedly won the 2 azeri majority provinces in iran.

that would be like mccain winning the black vote in 2008.

pgardn 06-18-2009 03:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hi_im_god
ahmadinajed allegedly won the 2 azeri majority provinces in iran.

that would be like mccain winning the black vote in 2008.

By more than his overall margin.
Very sloppy cheating.

ddthetide 06-18-2009 03:47 PM

the CIA should be figuring out a way to help the moderates topple the hardliners.

Riot 06-18-2009 03:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ddthetide
the CIA should be figuring out a way to help the moderates topple the hardliners.

Shah Reza ... :eek:

"In 1953 the United States played a significant role in orchestrating the overthrow of Iran's popular Prime Minister, Mohammed Massadegh. The Eisenhower Administration believed its actions were justified for strategic reasons; but the coup was clearly a setback for Iran's political development. And it is easy to see now why many Iranians continue to resent this intervention by America in their internal affairs." - Wikipedia ....

pgardn 06-18-2009 04:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ddthetide
the CIA should be figuring out a way to help the moderates topple the hardliners.

No Please.
We stay out of this one.

Know this. Obama wisely has been told by his
people that we dont know who is truly moderate.
The fella you called moderate also has a tumultous history
with the US.

Riot 06-18-2009 04:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pgardn
No Please.
We stay out of this one.

The GOP is going to try and put us in there, though. McCain dissing Obama's perfect response, and Eric Cantor ... it's like they are deliberately trying to screw things up.

dellinger63 06-18-2009 08:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Riot
The GOP is going to try and put us in there, though. McCain dissing Obama's perfect response, and Eric Cantor ... it's like they are deliberately trying to screw things up.

so if and when Obama goes back on his word of 'it's their deal', and gets involved forbid with force or even worse resolutions, you, a former Repub is going to blame it on the GOP, who's a far cry from a majority in both the Senate and House?

or is the GOP just gonna try. And if N Korea overshoots their target what will he (Obama) do then and I know it would be very complex.

GPK 06-18-2009 09:12 PM

To those that cling to power through corruption and deceit and the silencing of dissent, know that you are on the wrong side of history but we will extend our hand if you are willing to unclench your fist.
Sure thing Pres...whateva you say.

Blah...blah...blah

Riot 06-18-2009 09:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dellinger63
so if and when Obama goes back on his word of 'it's their deal', and gets involved forbid with force or even worse resolutions, you, a former Repub is going to blame it on the GOP, who's a far cry from a majority in both the Senate and House?

or is the GOP just gonna try. And if N Korea overshoots their target what will he (Obama) do then and I know it would be very complex.

What do you think of this op-ed piece, Dell?

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/18/op...ml?ref=opinion

GPK 06-18-2009 09:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Riot
What do you think of this op-ed piece, Dell?

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/18/op...ml?ref=opinion

I don't know about Dell, but I stopped at the part that said "By John Kerry"

pgardn 06-18-2009 10:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GPK
To those that cling to power through corruption and deceit and the silencing of dissent, know that you are on the wrong side of history but we will extend our hand if you are willing to unclench your fist.
Sure thing Pres...whateva you say.

Blah...blah...blah

So what do you suggest Kev?
We back people that might be as bad as Imadinnerjacket?
We dont know who will be in power right now, its in flux.

We wait.
As we should.
There is no rush here.

Would'nt be prudent.

-Signed George Bush Sr.

pgardn 06-18-2009 10:43 PM

Meanwhile...
Imadinnerjacket senses trouble:

Even Mr. Ahmadinejad, who has kept a defiant if low profile, made an unusual public concession. After insulting the huge crowds that poured into the street by dismissing them as “dust,” the president issued a statement on state television, according to The Associated Press:

“I only addressed those who made riot, set fires and attacked people. Every single Iranian is valuable. The government is at everyone’s service. We like everyone.”


God this guy is convincing.

Cannon Shell 06-18-2009 11:19 PM

Yeah we should worry about what the grand poobah in Iran thinks. Let's not piss them off because they listen soooo well to us now. You know the people there who today said that most of the protesters aren't Iranian but aliens. Or that they are looking to develop nuclear power for peaceful purposes. Maybe if Obama, Jimmy Carter and John Kerry close their eyes and chant kumbaya Iran will just go away.

Riot 06-18-2009 11:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GPK
I don't know about Dell, but I stopped at the part that said "By John Kerry"

Too bad. The author isn't the part that mattered.

joeydb 06-19-2009 06:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Maybe if Obama, Jimmy Carter and John Kerry close their eyes and chant kumbaya Iran will just go away.

Now that was funny! :D

dellinger63 06-19-2009 07:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Riot
What do you think of this op-ed piece, Dell?

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/18/op...ml?ref=opinion

overall I agree with the 'wait and see' approach however unlike Kerry I saw violence and anger in the streets, not the peaceful protests he sees through rose colored glasses. Of course I'm capable of going into a Wendy's and ordering lunch unlike this author who struggled with the aproach and read menu aspect of the excersise. Perhaps someone could write a book 'Ordering Fast Food for Dummies' and he'll have a better experience on his next try.

and just because the GOP is expressing their opinion doesn't mean they're 'trying to screw things up' as you said. OB is handling that job all by his lonesome.

pgardn 06-19-2009 12:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Yeah we should worry about what the grand poobah in Iran thinks. Let's not piss them off because they listen soooo well to us now. You know the people there who today said that most of the protesters aren't Iranian but aliens. Or that they are looking to develop nuclear power for peaceful purposes. Maybe if Obama, Jimmy Carter and John Kerry close their eyes and chant kumbaya Iran will just go away.

So your approach would be...

GBBob 06-19-2009 12:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pgardn
So your approach would be...

W would already have troops on the ground

Antitrust32 06-19-2009 01:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GBBob
W would already have troops on the ground


:rolleyes: riiiiiiiiiight.



Its nice to hear chants of "Death to America" in the backgroud while the Supreme nutjob Muslim says the results of the election were correct and no voting fraud took place (yeah I'm sure that no fraud took place) :rolleyes:

Next time Barry makes a speech I the crowd behind him chants "Death to Iran".. and see how that goes over!

johnny pinwheel 06-22-2009 08:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pgardn
So your approach would be...

i'm going over there to hit the streets. maybe if we invade they'll love us and the oil money will pay for it all! hey , it almost worked before........:D .it may cost thousands of lives and trilllions of dollars and take maybe 20 years but its worth it !

Antitrust32 06-23-2009 07:13 AM

The more I think about it the more I feel that Obama not really touching this issue is the right thing to do. Let them have their own revolution, we are so hated over there just giving an opinion could be seen as getting into their business... shoot they think CNN having coverage of all this mess is getting into their business. The/or some people of Iran seem to be accomplishing things on their own, eventhough the responce of the Iranian government has been absoluetly terrible, killing protestors and everything, we dont need to give them a reason (the protestors) to turn there passion on us because we're messing with their business. Good job Obama!

dellinger63 06-23-2009 08:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Riot
Too bad. The author isn't the part that mattered.

Too bad your sweetheart lied and was involved prior to the election

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...cube_position1

that or the Washington Times is wrong. What do you want to bet?

dellinger63 06-23-2009 08:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dellinger63
Too bad your sweetheart lied and was involved prior to the election

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...cube_position1

that or the Washington Times is wrong. What do you want to bet?

Your sweetheart being OB and not Herman Munster

pgardn 06-23-2009 08:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dellinger63
Too bad your sweetheart lied and was involved prior to the election

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...cube_position1

that or the Washington Times is wrong. What do you want to bet?

The Bush administration had to have been
notified of this. If not, this is not the way to do business.

dellinger63 06-23-2009 08:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pgardn
The Bush administration had to have been
notified of this. If not, this is not the way to do business.

you think for a second Obama has had any contact w/Bush and or administration? The letter was sent out a month ago. Now we will tear down our walls, defense satellites and go with the 'loathing of the US military policy' pontificated by the great Bubba Clinton. France may step up! LOL

dellinger63 06-23-2009 08:56 PM

or maybe go w/Jimmy Carter's theme and attack Israel to rid the world of the most oppressive country and violator of human rights, more than Rwanda though we still haven't seen Palestinians walking around with lit, gasoline soaked tires around their necks but Jimmy and Riot know.

pgardn 06-23-2009 09:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dellinger63
you think for a second Obama has had any contact w/Bush and or administration? LOL

Yes.

They had contact on many issues.
Bush apparently wanted to make the transition
as easy as possible. Imagine that.

If Obama sent the letter with without notifying the
Bush administration before he was elected... thats
a huge error imo.

dellinger63 06-23-2009 09:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pgardn
Yes.

They had contact on many issues.
Bush apparently wanted to make the transition
as easy as possible. Imagine that.

If Obama sent the letter with without notifying the
Bush administration before he was elected... thats
a huge error imo.

The letter went out this May (a month and a half ago) he was President and had already tripled the deficit left by the evil Bush regime. Think the transition was complete. Transparency? wonder what Obama thinks that definition 'is'?

pgardn 06-23-2009 09:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dellinger63
The letter went out this May (a month and a half ago) he was President and had already tripled the deficit left by the evil Bush regime. Think the transition was complete. Transparency? wonder what Obama thinks that definition 'is'?

My bad.

I thought it said before
OUR election and
I was shocked.

dellinger63 06-23-2009 09:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pgardn
My bad.

I thought it said before
OUR election and
I was shocked.

No big deal if HOPE was worth anything you'd be able to buy it w/gas and lotto tickets though I guess lotto tix and quick pick mutual's are the closest thing I know to hope.


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