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Kasept 06-03-2009 04:41 PM

6/6 (BEL): Belmont; Manhattan; Acorn; Just a Game; Et Al..
 
6TH (2:33) True North H. (G2)

6 Furlongs | Open | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $250,000

1 Benny the Bull Prado E S 123 L
2 Silver Edition Leparoux J R 114 L
3 Two Step Salsa Gomez G K 119 L
4 Sixthirteen Coa E M 114 L
5 Desert Key Velazquez J R 115 L
6 Fabulous Strike Dominguez R A 122 L



7TH (3:15) Just a Game S. (G1)

1 Mile (Turf) | Fillies and Mares | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $400,000

1 Carribean Sunset (IRE) Dominguez R A 118 L
2 Raw Silk Lopez P 118 L
3 Captain's Lover (SAF) Velazquez J R 118 FTL
4 I Lost My Choo Lezcano J 118 L
5 Forever Together Leparoux J R 123 L
6 Modern Look (GB) Gomez G K 118 L
7 Diamondrella (GB) Maragh R 118 L
8 My Princess Jess Velasquez C 118 L



8TH (3:59) Woody Stephens S. (G2)

7 Furlongs | Open | 3 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $250,000

1 This Ones for Phil Gomez G K 123 L
2 Gone Astray Prado E S 117 L
3 Munnings Velazquez J R 117 L
4 Regal Ransom Garcia Alan 123 L
5 Triumphant Flight Desormeaux K J 121 L
6 Hello Broadway Dominguez R A 117 Blk-Off L
7 Kensei Albarado R J 117 L
8 Everyday Heroes Caraballo J C 123 L
9 Hull Mena M 123 L

A-Coupled: Regal Ransom and Everyday Heroes



9TH (4:44) Acorn S. (G1)

1 Mile | Fillies | 3 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $300,000

1 Casanova Move Lezcano J 121 L
2 Gabby's Golden Gal Castellano J J 121 L
3 Be Fair Mena M 121 L
4 Funny Moon Garcia Alan 121 L
5 Doremifasollatido Coa E M 121 L
6 Livin Lovin Dominguez R A 121 L
7 Dream Play Migliore R 121 L
8 Justwhistledixie Leparoux J R 121 L
9 Four Gifts Albarado R J 121 L



10TH (5:34) Woodford Reserve Manhattan H. (G1)

1 1/4 Miles (Inner turf) | Open | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $400,000

1 Marsh Side Castellano J J 117 L
2 Court Vision Dominguez R A 120 L
3 Premium Gold Prado E S 113 L
4 Gio Ponti Gomez G K 120 L
5 Champs Elysees (GB) Leparoux J R 119 L
6 Optimer (ARG) Rodriguez R R 110 L
7 Wesley Desormeaux K J 116 L
8 Senior Luzzi M J 112 Blk-Off L
9 Better Talk Now Rose J 117 L
10 Cosmonaut Lezcano J 116 L
11 Interpatation Maragh R 114 L
12 Lauro (GER) Starke A 117 L
13 Cowboy Cal Velazquez J R 120 L
14 Zambezi Sun (GB) Leparoux J R 116 L

A-Coupled: Court Vision and Optimer (ARG)
B-Coupled: Champs Elysees (GB) and Zambezi Sun (GB)



11TH (6:27) Belmont S. (G1)

1 1/2 Miles | Open | 3 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $1,000,000

1 Chocolate Candy Gomez G K 126 L
2 Dunkirk Velazquez J R 126 L
3 Mr. Hot Stuff Prado E S 126 L
4 Summer Bird Desormeaux K J 126 Blk-On L
5 Luv Gov Mena M 126 L
6 Charitable Man Garcia Alan 126 L
7 Mine That Bird Borel C H 126 L
8 Flying Private Leparoux J R 126 L
9 Miner's Escape Lezcano J 126 L
10 Brave Victory Maragh R 126 L

brianwspencer 06-03-2009 04:42 PM

Hull.

cakes44 06-03-2009 04:46 PM

Regal Ransom is an interesting entrant in the Woody Stephens. That is a pretty loaded field.

parsixfarms 06-03-2009 04:57 PM

Apparently, Darley just purchased Everyday Heroes. After the way he bore out in the Maryland race, I wonder how longer he'll hold up.

Bobby Fischer 06-03-2009 05:46 PM

www.belmontstakes.com
has a little bit of info, but is pretty weak.

dunkirk's workout video is like if I took the video with a regular camcorder for the last 100 yards only.

no Miner's escape Tesio replay...

the highlight (literally not saracastic) of video info is charitable man's 5/25 workout 47.88 with a running time of 36 seconds!

treating the race and the website as a bit of an afterthought. At least that is my 1st impression.

hockey2315 06-03-2009 06:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer
www.belmontstakes.com
has a little bit of info, but is pretty weak.

dunkirk's workout video is like if I took the video with a regular camcorder for the last 100 yards only.

no Miner's escape Tesio replay...

the highlight (literally not saracastic) of video info is charitable man's 5/25 workout 47.88 with a running time of 36 seconds!

treating the race and the website as a bit of an afterthought. At least that is my 1st impression.

I disagree. . .

Bobby Fischer 06-03-2009 07:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hockey2315
I disagree. . .

maybe it's my video-centric opinion of a triple crown race site?

looking around more , I do notice a good article by Serling.
"Contrarian that I am, I now plan to bet against Mine That Bird with the utmost confidence, that I can guarantee. "

mbahadur 06-03-2009 07:20 PM

Forever Together looks like a single. Many will also single Justwhistledixie.

Many of the horses running in the G1 Manhattan would have been much lower odds if they chose to run instead in the G1 Charlie Whittingham (which only has a 6 horse field) at Hollywood on Saturday.

Bobby Fischer 06-03-2009 07:37 PM

Pretty good card.
Lots of familiar names.

Mike 06-03-2009 08:36 PM

Flying Private, the closest direct link to Mr Prospector or Deputy Minister. The offspring of these sires' have a nice success ratio in this race

Flying Private to win;)

KirisClown 06-03-2009 09:13 PM

Just looked at the entire card.. NYRA has put together an excellent day of racing... should be a lot of fun...

blackthroatedwind 06-03-2009 09:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer
www.belmontstakes.com
has a little bit of info, but is pretty weak.

dunkirk's workout video is like if I took the video with a regular camcorder for the last 100 yards only.

no Miner's escape Tesio replay...

the highlight (literally not saracastic) of video info is charitable man's 5/25 workout 47.88 with a running time of 36 seconds!

treating the race and the website as a bit of an afterthought. At least that is my 1st impression.



I appreciate your helpful criticisms, and will pass them along, but I have to take great exception to your final sentence. If you think we consider the race, or the website, as anything close to an " afterthought " you are badly mistaken. While the website may not be perfect, and surely we can and will do a better job next year, I think anyone that goes to the site can see that a lot of effort has gone into it and there is plenty of information available.

freddymo 06-03-2009 09:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
I appreciate your helpful criticisms, and will pass them along, but I have to take great exception to your final sentence. If you think we consider the race, or the website, as anything close to an " afterthought " you are badly mistaken. While the website may not be perfect, and surely we can and will do a better job next year, I think anyone that goes to the site can see that a lot of effort has gone into it and there is plenty of information available.


G-d nothing worse then an NYRA apoligist.. See you at the track tomorrow..hope you have a winner or too since I will be packing heat.. Does NYRA have a Swiss bank on call just in case?

VOL JACK 06-03-2009 09:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
I appreciate your helpful criticisms, and will pass them along, but I have to take great exception to your final sentence. If you think we consider the race, or the website, as anything close to an " afterthought " you are badly mistaken. While the website may not be perfect, and surely we can and will do a better job next year, I think anyone that goes to the site can see that a lot of effort has gone into it and there is plenty of information available.

Lots of good stuff on there...Thanks for pointing the site out.
Ive never been to the perfect website, yet.

Although, DrugS tells me REDTUBE is close.:eek:

Port Conway Lane 06-03-2009 09:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike
Flying Private, the closest direct link to Mr Prospector or Deputy Minister. The offspring of these sires' have a nice success ratio in this race

Flying Private to win;)

Luv Gov has DM top and Mr.P bottom 3 generations back.Only DM in the race.

Personally I wouldn't mind seeing the Man O War line represented by Mr. Hot Stuff. Prospector has 7 of the contenders and Northern Dancer 2.

blackthroatedwind 06-03-2009 10:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by freddymo
G-d nothing worse then an NYRA apoligist.. See you at the track tomorrow..hope you have a winner or too since I will be packing heat.. Does NYRA have a Swiss bank on call just in case?



A winner or too?

VOL JACK 06-03-2009 10:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
A winner or too?

Well, he is friends with DrugS.

CSC 06-03-2009 10:11 PM

The Manhattan is really interesting, the best turf betting race thus far this year.

Bobby Fischer 06-03-2009 10:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
I appreciate your helpful criticisms, and will pass them along, but I have to take great exception to your final sentence. If you think we consider the race, or the website, as anything close to an " afterthought " you are badly mistaken. While the website may not be perfect, and surely we can and will do a better job next year, I think anyone that goes to the site can see that a lot of effort has gone into it and there is plenty of information available.

The website as a whole isn't actually that bad, and your article is a highlight.
That was simply my initial impression after seeing the video section which was disappointing.
Miner's Escape in the Tesio is up on bloodhorse for those curious about the Zito pace entry.
Dunkirk and others have some photos up on horsephotos.com

wasn't actually meant as a real shot at you or nyra, just a grumpy first impression of the video section

VOL JACK 06-03-2009 10:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CSC
The Manhattan is really interesting, the best turf betting race thus far this year.

The Woody is certainly the most interesting dirt race Ive seen this year.
Going in on Paper, of course. Could turn out to be a dud but Im looking forward to it.

CSC 06-03-2009 10:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VOL JACK
The Woody is certainly the most interesting dirt race Ive seen this year.
Going in on Paper, of course. Could turn out to be a dud but Im looking forward to it.

I'm too tired to look at the tape tonight but I recall This One's for Phil having abit of trouble in his last, made a mental note. Munnings could finally be ready to run a big one to justify his big purchase price.

the_fat_man 06-03-2009 10:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VOL JACK
Lots of good stuff on there...Thanks for pointing the site out.
Ive never been to the perfect website, yet.

Although, DrugS tells me REDTUBE is close.:eek:

Got that right.

chucklestheclown 06-03-2009 10:46 PM

The pps are out, the Belmont is BORING. The only race here to make any serious money in is the Reserve.

Bobby Fischer 06-03-2009 10:50 PM

I see Mine That Bird struggling to get 3rd or 4th here. This ought to be an honest race, and I am in the minority who thinks that MTB is a better 9 or 10 furlong horse than 12 furlongs.

Charitable Man seems to be the standout talent from watching his races.
Extra credit like strong conduit mare pedigree, brazenly (over)confident handling only boost my confidence.

Dunkirk is a little bit of an unknown. He was in my top 3 or 4 classic distance 3yos and none of the others are still around. Stumble in the Derby was pretty bad. I usually don't like Velazquez unless he has presser who can sit outside the pace. Could the pace work out that way here?
Have plenty of doubts about Dunkirk, but can not toss from win.

Of the longer shot horses, Brave Victory seems ok to me for maybe a single 3rd or 4th on a single race exotic. He showed tactical speed initially as a 2yo. Swale Lexington PeterPan were 3 impossible races for Brave Victory, and he responded pretty well considering. Maragh will give an effort and he has a little bit of a middle move in him.

Chocolate Candy rounds out my chalkiest of trifecta/superfecta thoughts :(

ateamstupid 06-04-2009 07:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chucklestheclown
The pps are out, the Belmont is BORING. The only race here to make any serious money in is the Reserve.

Hm?

gales0678 06-04-2009 08:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kasept
6TH (2:33) True North H. (G2)

6 Furlongs | Open | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $250,000

1 Benny the Bull Prado E S 123 L
2 Silver Edition Leparoux J R 114 L
3 Two Step Salsa Gomez G K 119 L
4 Sixthirteen Coa E M 114 L
5 Desert Key Velazquez J R 115 L
6 Fabulous Strike Dominguez R A 122 L



7TH (3:15) Just a Game S. (G1)

1 Mile (Turf) | Fillies and Mares | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $400,000

1 Carribean Sunset (IRE) Dominguez R A 118 L
2 Raw Silk Lopez P 118 L
3 Captain's Lover (SAF) Velazquez J R 118 FTL
4 I Lost My Choo Lezcano J 118 L
5 Forever Together Leparoux J R 123 L
6 Modern Look (GB) Gomez G K 118 L
7 Diamondrella (GB) Maragh R 118 L
8 My Princess Jess Velasquez C 118 L



8TH (3:59) Woody Stephens S. (G2)

7 Furlongs | Open | 3 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $250,000

1 This Ones for Phil Gomez G K 123 L
2 Gone Astray Prado E S 117 L
3 Munnings Velazquez J R 117 L
4 Regal Ransom Garcia Alan 123 L
5 Triumphant Flight Desormeaux K J 121 L
6 Hello Broadway Dominguez R A 117 Blk-Off L
7 Kensei Albarado R J 117 L
8 Everyday Heroes Caraballo J C 123 L
9 Hull Mena M 123 L

A-Coupled: Regal Ransom and Everyday Heroes



9TH (4:44) Acorn S. (G1)

1 Mile | Fillies | 3 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $300,000

1 Casanova Move Lezcano J 121 L
2 Gabby's Golden Gal Castellano J J 121 L
3 Be Fair Mena M 121 L
4 Funny Moon Garcia Alan 121 L
5 Doremifasollatido Coa E M 121 L
6 Livin Lovin Dominguez R A 121 L
7 Dream Play Migliore R 121 L
8 Justwhistledixie Leparoux J R 121 L
9 Four Gifts Albarado R J 121 L



10TH (5:34) Woodford Reserve Manhattan H. (G1)

1 1/4 Miles (Inner turf) | Open | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $400,000

1 Marsh Side Castellano J J 117 L
2 Court Vision Dominguez R A 120 L
3 Premium Gold Prado E S 113 L
4 Gio Ponti Gomez G K 120 L
5 Champs Elysees (GB) Leparoux J R 119 L
6 Optimer (ARG) Rodriguez R R 110 L
7 Wesley Desormeaux K J 116 L
8 Senior Luzzi M J 112 Blk-Off L
9 Better Talk Now Rose J 117 L
10 Cosmonaut Lezcano J 116 L
11 Interpatation Maragh R 114 L
12 Lauro (GER) Starke A 117 L
13 Cowboy Cal Velazquez J R 120 L
14 Zambezi Sun (GB) Leparoux J R 116 L

A-Coupled: Court Vision and Optimer (ARG)
B-Coupled: Champs Elysees (GB) and Zambezi Sun (GB)


11TH (6:27) Belmont S. (G1)

1 1/2 Miles | Open | 3 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $1,000,000

1 Chocolate Candy Gomez G K 126 L
2 Dunkirk Velazquez J R 126 L
3 Mr. Hot Stuff Prado E S 126 L
4 Summer Bird Desormeaux K J 126 Blk-On L
5 Luv Gov Mena M 126 L
6 Charitable Man Garcia Alan 126 L
7 Mine That Bird Borel C H 126 L
8 Flying Private Leparoux J R 126 L
9 Miner's Escape Lezcano J 126 L
10 Brave Victory Maragh R 126 L



steve , looks like Zambezi Sun will probably scratch

Modern Look in the Just a Game might just be able to take them all the , training very well

NTamm1215 06-04-2009 08:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chucklestheclown
The pps are out, the Belmont is BORING. The only race here to make any serious money in is the Reserve.

That's false.

NT

slotdirt 06-04-2009 08:37 AM

Man, what a fun day for bettors.

JerseyJ 06-04-2009 08:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gales0678
steve , looks like Zambezi Sun will probably scratch

Modern Look in the Just a Game might just be able to take them all the , training very well

And how in the world do you expect Modern Look to take them "all the way" in the Just a Game when there's not a chance in hell she even clears off from Raw Silk early? It's going to be pretty hard to go wire-to-wire when the horse won't even see the early lead.

gales0678 06-04-2009 08:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JerseyJ
And how in the world do you expect Modern Look to take them "all the way" in the Just a Game when there's not a chance in hell she even clears off from Raw Silk early? It's going to be pretty hard to go wire-to-wire when the horse won't even see the early lead.


someone who used to be on this board , but is no longer here told me so

steve can clairfy if you want to know for sure , send him a PM

NTamm1215 06-04-2009 09:00 AM

Sure, if Raw Silk scratches then Modern Look may be able to go wire to wire.

NT

tiznowthegreat 06-04-2009 09:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gales0678
steve , looks like Zambezi Sun will probably scratch

Modern Look in the Just a Game might just be able to take them all the , training very well

Did they say somewhere ZS would prob scratch or are you assuming based on the post positionand having the same jock listed? Unfortunately, I have chased this horse pretty hard his last couple out.

gales0678 06-04-2009 09:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tiznowthegreat
Did they say somewhere ZS would prob scratch or are you assuming based on the post positionand having the same jock listed? Unfortunately, I have chased this horse pretty hard his last couple out.

the old poster here says he is going to scratch , he's been bobby's right hand man for a very long time

Sightseek 06-04-2009 09:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gales0678
the old poster here says he is going to scratch , he's been bobby's right hand man for a very long time

Dixie?!

NTamm1215 06-04-2009 09:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gales0678
the old poster here says he is going to scratch , he's been bobby's right hand man for a very long time

So in the same conversation he told you that Zambezi Sun is going to be scratched he also told you that Modern Look is going to the front? Can he tell you why Zambezi Sun has turned out to be such a goat?

NT

gales0678 06-04-2009 09:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NTamm1215
So in the same conversation he told you that Zambezi Sun is going to be scratched he also told you that Modern Look is going to the front? Can he tell you why Zambezi Sun has turned out to be such a goat?

NT

i could ask if you really want to know

gales0678 06-04-2009 09:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sightseek
Dixie?!


Porter?

Sightseek 06-04-2009 09:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gales0678
Porter?

Is there any other?

CSC 06-04-2009 09:16 AM

What does Zambezi Sun & GM stock have in common?

gales0678 06-04-2009 09:17 AM

no he's the one and only

still has the suite at the beverly hills hotel , so if you're ever out there just drop by and say hello , i'm sure he will buy you a drink


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