Healthcare Reform
 

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090511/...a_healthcare_5

Until they are serious about changing the Doctor Salaries, then this will go nowhere. You can't pay a guy 300k-500k/year to get rich off sick people. You end up with very little care for your money, and that's what we have. Maybe they're rock star talents, or whatever. Special people etc. got to make their bling. O.K., BUT THEY ARE NOT DOING SOMETHING THAT OTHERS CAN'T DO. Go make it designing shoes or some other optional extra in life. Go!..get out of medicine...please...leave it. Start designing the ultimate cell phone that comes with optional blown-job add on...Whateva you need to do to get rich. That's the only way you'll be happy. Stop taking 300-500k out of the pool. You want to start solving this? Stop making it Lotto, and starting making it a well paid destination for the best nurses. Pay for the training of those who really love medicine. Let the smart kid goldiggers make their greedy way in another profession. This one is supposed to be serving sick people. Not serving you greedy bastards. Let all those greedy kids in college know that this is not their pot of gold. Go into a luxury item field, because medicine needs to change into a team sport, and stop being about rock stars getting rich off sick people. Simple as that. The AMA has to be defeated before you can solve this. Sick people are getting shorted so these people can play big pick 6 tickets, go to Italy, and get 1 more BMW. THAT'S ALL FINE STUFF TO DO IN A LUXURY ITEM FIELD OF WORK. YOU ARE NOT ROCK STARS, OR GIFTED ATHLETES. You're just making Lotto off sick people. That's not a luxury situation. You've tried to keep it A LUXURY ITEM. You need to be defeated. You must be defeated. You will be defeated, OR HEALTHCARE COSTS WILL NEVER BE CONTROLLED. It's beyond insane to keep saying they aren't the problem. Hello!! Hell fkn -oooo!!! 300k-500k a year into one person's hands? That's not ever gunna work. Keep trying. You'll just keep shorting patients to pay for Beemers.

Sooo...you think rock stars and athletes are more worthy of money than doctors?

Indian Charlie thinks jism moppers and Wal Mart greeters are more worthy than doctors.

I disagree SCUDS.

I think the biggest health care reform should be directed to the John Edwards of the world. Lawyers who sue doctors and hospitals for hundreds of millions hurt our heath care costs a TON more than paying top notch, educated people who save lives 500K..

Doctors IMO are worth what they make, but its harder and harder for them to do their jobs with sue happy America hoping to be able to get rich quick.

There are times when doctors make mistakes where people should be compensated fairly for that, but people like John Edwards abuse the system and greatly increase the cost of healthcare.

And most Drs have to make at least $2-300K just to pay their malpractice for reasons you put above

they also go to school for 7 years..i think its unreal to think they should not make that money..

I think Scuds had a ham fisted prostate exam today and is just pissed about it

also, I believe a gifted brain surgeon is way more talented than the A-rod's, Chase Utley's and Manny's of the world.

In fact I would be much happier to see a brain surgeon be paid 100 mill over 10 years and a baseball player be paid 300-500k to hit a freaking ball.

Its pretty disgusting how much athletes are paid. But my friend brought up a good point that if the athletes were not paid that much.. the owners would be making insane amounts of cash. Which made me think....

I think communities should "own" their sports teams, instead of one owner. Pay the players a LOT less (highest amount being able to make 750K per year) and give all the profits to the government, and then eliminate federal income taxes for people and have our sports teams pay for our taxes!

exactly... reforming that part of the business would single handidly (sp) reform health care costs.

Thats really the only part that needs to be changed. IMO It would make costs affordable to people who are not covered by their employer.

Also anyone under 18 should never be denied health care, but isnt that already in place?

Socialized medicine is just a way to completely destroy the health care in this country though. its just a bad idea!

It's an endless cycle of greed. lawyers sue doctors which in turn raises the doctors insurance rates which in turn causes some doctors to abuse medicare and become nothing more than licensed drug dealers in order to cover their expenses/insurance and live a decent life.

Insurance companies nearly completely control the practice of medicine in this country. They control the costs to patients both insured and uninsured, they control what diagnostic tests the patient's doctor can run for particular conditions (and be paid for), they control via cost what the doctor and his staff and hospital staffs can earn.

Doctors rarely get to practice medicine, they are allowed to do what the insurance companies permit them to do for many patients.

Correct me if I am wrong, but you're the Doctor's daughter. Doubt you're going to be objective. Pay daddy more, and treat the patients less. You're pretty consistent on the issue. Like I said. Baseball is a luxury item. Medicine is not. Greedy bastards have tried to turn it into that(luxury.) They need to be defeated...At once.

I think the pharmacutical companies are the biggest thieves , doctors are who they are because they are smarter than you and I but the drug companies that extort millions of dollars out of sick people thru their insurance companies need to be put under scrutiny.
I know that research costs alot , but after drugs have been on the market for so long its hard to justify the amount of money that they charge.

Don't compare an optional luxury item to a necessity. That's where we went wrong in the first place.

eggggggggggzactly.

The Medicare Reform Act Bush signed a few years ago was nothing more than a heist of the treasury by pharmaceutical companies. Instead of controlling costs, as was promised, the pharmaceutical companies raised prices exponentially and ass-raped the treasury.

If you think health care is a societal necessity, and you think everyone is equally entitled to receive good health care (regardless of income, social class, place of living, etc), then what's your beef with what you posted?

No, Scuds is tired of Doctors making 300k-500k/year off sick people. As far as the 7 years of training goes, we should pay for for it, but make sure it's for people that love medicine, and not just smart kids that want to get rich. Smart kids that want to get rich should be allowed to go into a field of luxury items(games,entertainment,engineering, design etc.) Medicine needs to be taken out of the goldigger's menu. It's that simple.

If you've been keeping an eye on the buyouts and mergers of pharmaceutical companies, one of the other, over the past few months, you'll be even more scared. Nothing like buying up and eliminating your competitors for certain classes of drugs, so less brands are on the market. I can't believe that anti-trust laws are not coming into play with some of these?

Oh,wow...Now a the member of the most hypocritical club in the universe(VETS) pops in.

Then you'll be please to know that the average doctor only earns between $100-150K per year once out in practice and experienced (10-12 years post-graduation).

Medicine hasn't been a drawing ground for "smart kids that just want to get rich" for at least 20 years. That was long ago replaced by tech companies and Wall Street (finance).

It's hard to justify people making 300k-500k a year off sick people, but.... damn...Americans will die trying.

I have. And really all you have to do is take a ride in your car and look on every street corner and count how many drug stores there are.

Yeah, we're truely evil, saving the damn lives of mere animals and being the patient's advocate day in and day out ;)

You've got some 'issues', don't you, Scuds?

I'm not talking about those in that range. Nobody should make 300k-500k a year off the sick. Start there. Get rid of that. Then, look for other solutions, but you can't just ignore those feasting off sick people. All I am saying is let them go into a field that is a luxury item. I don't want people in these fields for the money. If they don't like it for the job, then that's it. Move on.

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I'm going to correct you because you are wrong. My father is far from a doctor. In fact, I dont even think he ever dreamed of being a doctor when he was a little boy. He's a self employed sales man actually.

So I'm not going to be objective because my father sells dirt to be cleaned from oil spills?

But at least I'm consistent on the issue!!

so you dont want your doctor to be smart?

Yes, thats a good idea. The smart kids who can be great doctors should be casino owners, and the kids with IQ's of 100 and below should be the ones performing hand and feet amputations.

The reason Pot will never be legal and taxed in this country , I believe has to do with the fact that the drug companies will feel a big hurt. No more anti depressants and sleep aids, no more addictive pain killers to sell , its all so bogus . I dont smoke but I am not so closed minded that I dont see the writing on the wall when it comes to pharmacutical companies and our government that seems to be in cahoots with them.

Shows I don't takes notes on all you Conservatives. Where is that chick? You fill in good. It's the same response she gave. You'll do.

Thanks for the link, Steve

You got it Curlie

LOL... I'm not really sure who you're talking about but its okay.

Since when is 300k to 500k an outrageous amount of money?

Why is making a lot of money a bad thing?

What other method is there to reward success in a profession?

If Doctors don't treat sick people and play golf what else is there for them to do?

Why hasn't Scuds doctors upped the dosage levels on his meds to counter his recent bouts of extreme insanity as opposed to just usual ramblings? Are they too busy counting their millions at the bank and have neglected his coverage?

Inquisitive minds want to know.....

exactly.
being a doctor isn't a job, it's a calling. a lot of people couldn't give up the time involved, and a lot of people wouldn't want to be married to one. you take a backseat to the profession. the ungodly hours, the responsibility...i couldn't do it, nor would i try.
the fault with the system doesn't lie with the doctors salary.

but it worked so well for fuel companies...

seriously, you have a point there. lack of competition screws the customer, not the business.

Lots of medicine practiced by GP's could be done
easily by others. Some of the stuff they do is not
rocket science.

But good GP's are absolutely necessary for finding
some of the problems. Most prospective medical "kids"
want to be brain surgeons or orotho's working on some big
name athlete. More good GP's needed, and then the minor
problems taken care of by physician assistants.

The lawyers are a big problem.

A lady hit me about 7 years ago (auto accident,
not because I assualted her) Cops wrote up the
report, upon which over the next 2 weeks I got at
least 6 calls from Lawyer "cold callers" asking about
my injuries. I said I was not hurt, just a sore neck..
Big mistake. Then they kept going on, it might be, it might be...
Finally I started to claim I had been decapitated in
the accident. One office asked how to spell decapitated
and said we will get back to you.

It would also help if more care went to kids and not
old farts like myself that lack a skull.

The Pharm. stuff posted above is very interesting.

240 G's for Malpractice ins
60 G's for office space
120 G's for half-way competent staff


Yeah....those Docs are livin large on 80 G's before taxes!

not including paying off loans for school.


I can hardly wait for DocICU3 to chime in!!:D

Smart kids that want to get rich went into finance/banking and were making 300-500k as 20 somethings right out of college. "Idiots" like me went to med school for 4 years, did 4 years of residency making 35k a year and didn't make over 100k until I was 31. Oh, and I had over 150k in loans from medical school. I love medicine, but anyone goes into the field to "get rich" doesn't last very long, and I'm hardly making my living off the miseries of others as you suggest. Is legal care a right? How come you have to pay for water?

Doctor salaries are very low on the problems in the Health Care System totem pole.

Malpractice costs are absolutely insane and cripple lots of folks like OB's. One bad case and it can be lights out... Tough way to operate.

Thank you Dr. Fisher, Dr. Darling & the staff @ Albany Med...

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I don't care how much $$ they made...I don't think pulling my guts out and laying them on my chest for a 9 hour surgery was a luxury for anyone.

However, I do believe in some form of socialized medicine...paying $1100 a month for health insurance sucks... Also, seeing that Medicaid/Medicare system is robbed annually of approx. $60 billion, this would not happen if there was some form of universal health care.