Mind that Bird last race before the derby
 

Did anyone take a second look at his PP's?

Look at the splits from his last race at a 1 1/8

45.32 and 1:10.12 - if i am correct these are the best splits of any 1 1/8 race for any of the derby contenders

is it odd for his beyer to be lower in this race than his previous race ? look at the splits from 2 races back at 1 1/16

i gotta think the race on the 29th s.b looked at again by the beyer boys no?

The final time is the only time that matters though when making the beyer figure right??

But I still think something doesn't seem right about those Sunland beyer figures. Anywhere else, he probably is in the low 90s range type of horse, except on mud or sloppy tracks of course.

i don't know the answer to that question , someone who is an expert on beyer figures could answer that i'm sure

Hey, I aint one to gossip or tell stories, but i heard it was a one horse trailer being pulled by a 10speed bike, up hill in the snow, the whole way......:zz:

why not explain professor ? please expalin his last 2 races before the derby

is it not valid to question the beyers when the splits appear better in the race where he got a lower beyer

did the horse not take a step forward in his 2nd start?

again the fractions in the 2nd race were better than the 1st race , why wouldn't the beyer be better , could it have been a mistake?

does anyone on here know sunland park and think the number looks rathe low ?

do different tracks get different beyers assigned or is their some uniformity?

[quote=DaHoss9698]Be honest, are you at all related to PG1985? Distant cousin maybe?[/QUOTE

don't even know who he is

the color of the ocean in bermuda

please explain the 2 races two me da hoss - explain to me fractional times , he had the best at 1 1/8 - do smaller tracks get lower beyers by default , surely he last race was an improvement was it not - the fractons were harder he was in a larger field , bigger race , how could he have not shown improvement from race 1 to race 2 at Sunland

this is what the person i was talking to said to me, not that they would have bet the horse to win , but , a low 90's number may have caused him to use the horse underneath , plus it would make the miracle jump at least seem plausible

Steve - can you ask beyer about that race and if they looked at doing a revision ?

now the edited part for da hoss just to keep things honest

the florida derby was revised this year no?


were there any other races on that day at sunland run at 1 1/8 to compare to MTB race? if the flroida derby can be revised , why not the race at sunland (or is it simply a track that doesn't get the attention that others get)

MTB had the best 1st and 2nd call times going into the derby and it was his most recent race

So?

Stop trying to look in the PP's for an explanation for Saturday. There just isn't one. The horse ran the last half of that race with nearly Secretariat-like speed. It is horse racing. Crap happens.

I don't know what's worse, abbreviating horses names or just spelling them wrong altogether.

but he didn't ran at all in the beginning , do you know the splits from sat?

he ran the 6f in 1:10 and change in the race before , so there was some ability that maybe was overlooked

I see that the horse ran 6f in change the race before, a race that went its final 3/8ths in 40-ish seconds while your boy Mine that Bird completely faded from contention. How does that correlate with the horse coming home in 47-ish seconds in a 10f race next out? It doesn't.

do you have the splits from the derby , he obviously didn't raun at all in the first 3 -4 f , borel took him back , what was his time for the last 6f in the derby surely somebody must have the splits no?


all i'm saying is that his race was better than it looked , how much better , whose to say , but, maybe just maybe he got more out of that race than people want to give him credit for , bumping the horses and taking back in the derby may have been a godsend cuse it allowed borel to conserve in the early part of the race and then unleash during the 2nd half of the race

I think officially the horse's internal fractions for the last half of the Derby were 47 and 1/5. That is faster than just about anybody not named Secretariat has run the last 4f of a Derby in at least as far back as I've looked.

I know, I know, different track, different day, different surface, blah, blah, blah, but for comparison's purposes, Ghostzapper ran the last half in his 2004 Breeders Cup Classic in 47.70.

ok , he ran a 45 and change at sunland in his prior race (he crawled home like you say in that race and he did) but didn't he crawl through the derby in the beginning - why couldn't he come home in 47 and change like he did in the derby after crawling in the beginnig - he was dead last no (i think durkin called him incorrectly on the backside)

aren't you comparing apples to caviar there?

It's why I made the caveat on different day, different surface. I don't think people are truly understanding just how fast Mine that Bird came home the other day.

can't speak for everyone else...but i don't care how fast he came home the other day.

it may be a different day and different surface, but i'd take GZ over a one hit wonder any day.

He ran a good race, sure. But he's not actually any good, and I think that future results will prove that to be correct. He loved a surface over which other horses were spinning their wheels and got a sweet trip while sprinting home for a half-mile.

It kind of is what it is, and after much soul searching over the last few days, I'm willing to chalk this Derby up to "$hit happens," and move on with my life.

Different conversation. I'd take Ghostzapper over the horse any day of the week and 37 times on Sunday. I'm just talking come home times in 10f races and just how freaking fast Mine that Bird came home the other day.

to be fair to the horse and connections he's not exactly a one hit wonder, he was champion 2yo in Canada.. and I mean, horses can improve a lot at this time of the year and I think we'll have to watch him for the rest of the year before he can be called a one hit wonder. Do I expect him to be a super star? no.. but he probably can be competitive in some races, especially Grade 2 or 3 types. There are a handful of good horses at the top of the barrel this year, but besides them and the talented sprinters out there, the division is pretty weak, who's to say Mine That Bird cant have a solid year in the right spots? also he seems to like the poly track... and we all know how many stakes races are run on artificial surfaces..

And I really doubt slotdirt was comparing him outright to GZ, just comparing the final fractions which are very impressive for Mine that bird.

the bottom line is he walked the first part of the race and then came home in the 47 and change that slot talks about - not that unlikely an occurence cosidering he had shown on his last race that he could run 45 and change

it just happened in different parts of the race that's all

You cannot be serious.

I have to apologize for posting this many times in a thread that can't even spell the Kentucky Derby winner's name right. How hard is it to spell "mine" anyway? I was firmly on the side of abbreviating horses being more annoying than misspelling their names, but I might become a convert.

why not - if he ran 4f in 45 and change and then tired at sunland , why couldn't he come home in 47 and change in the deby

he jogged the 1st half mile in the derby , didn't use much of his energy , why couldn't he have had 1 run in him ? he ran those opening fractions in the last race

it was just the opposite in the derby but since he walked the 1st half of the race he had plenty of energy left for the closing 47 and change

Have you watched the Sunland Derby? Mine(d) that Bird sat about sixth for the first 3/8's or so, moved up on the outside shortly after the half, then nosed his way in front at the top of the stretch only to fold like a cheap suit in the last 1/16th. He was outfinished badly by another horse (Kelly Leak) who basically chased Mine(d) that Bird for the first 3/4, then ran around Mine(d) that Bird like he was standing still. This is not a prep that generally would inspire one to believe they had just seen the Kentucky Derby winner, no matter what the fractions were.

i didn't say it made him the winner - i only said that the 1st 2 calls of that race were the fastest of any derby prep at 1 1/8 - he was part of that pace

now go to the derby - what did he run the 1st 4f in - maybe :50 mayber more ? does anyone have that info

he jogged around the track and came home in :47 and change , he had already shown in his last race he was capable of running that number for 4f

hey its still an accomplishment and it still means he showed up for those races last year.. usually it takes a good horse to win 4 races in a row.. even if they are canadian races!

Every horse in training can run that number for 4 furlongs. Running that number in the slop after running for 3/4 a mile already is what has everyone puzzled.