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mark2061mn 04-19-2009 09:15 AM

Mullins Suspended 7 Days
 
http://www.bloodhorse.com/article/50296.htm

CSC 04-19-2009 09:18 AM

Interesting they chose May 3rd, one day after the derby. What a way to send a msg to Jeff.

the_fat_man 04-19-2009 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by CSC
Interesting they chose May 3rd, one day after the derby. What a way to send a msg to Jeff.

How's that different from baseball appeals, for example?

CSC 04-19-2009 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by the_fat_man
How's that different from baseball appeals, for example?

Speculating it certainly looks like a deal was worked out, I could see why on the day of the derby being on national TV, we have the probable favorite's trainer suspended for a syringe violation. Not good PR you think for a sport trying to portray a clean image. Damned if you do, damned if you don't sydrome. Don't even talk to me about Baseball...

Danzig 04-19-2009 10:41 AM

oh...wow! a whole week. hey, that way, if i want revenge does win the derby, mullins won't have to worry about making any interviews after the race-he'll have a week to fit them all in. post derby, pre-preakness. ain't life grand. that'll teach him to break the rules.



and this from the article:

and the board “considering the circumstances" ...

lol what a joke. and we wonder why trainers push the limits. it's sooooo detrimental when they do and get caught.

Danzig 04-19-2009 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by CSC
Speculating it certainly looks like a deal was worked out, I could see why on the day of the derby being on national TV, we have the probable favorite's trainer suspended for a syringe violation. Not good PR you think for a sport trying to portray a clean image. Damned if you do, damned if you don't sydrome. Don't even talk to me about Baseball...


hell yeah they made a deal. he agreed not to appeal, they cut the time down from 15 to seven days. that way, neither derby or preakness are affected.


bah! yeah, racing wants to clean itself up. it's pretty obvious, isn't it?

2Hot4TV 04-19-2009 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig
oh...wow! a whole week. hey, that way, if i want revenge does win the derby, mullins won't have to worry about making any interviews after the race-he'll have a week to fit them all in. post derby, pre-preakness. ain't life grand. that'll teach him to break the rules.



and this from the article:

and the board “considering the circumstances" ...

lol what a joke. and we wonder why trainers push the limits. it's sooooo detrimental when they do and get caught.

Seems to me that they decided it wasn't that big of a deal after all.

Coach Pants 04-19-2009 12:35 PM

Dannie would you want to suspend 2Hot4TV for giving himself a breath mint on post day? I think not.

Danzig 04-19-2009 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants
Dannie would you want to suspend 2Hot4TV for giving himself a breath mint on post day? I think not.

if he gave it to himself in the detention barn, where nothing is to be given, then yes. i suppose some think rules are just made to be broken. but then, i thought you should be gone after that disgusting pic the other day, yet here you are.

SCUDSBROTHER 04-19-2009 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by 2Hot4TV
Seems to me that they decided it wasn't that big of a deal after all.


Stunning huh? They're sooooo much tougher on crook trainers in NY. They catch this guy dead solid perfect, and this is the punishment? What a message. Don't cheat in NY. You might have to give up a couple grand, and go spend some quality time with your kids. Be interesting to see people get back in their box now. They're already on record about this, but now officials in their own state look pathetic. It's getting pretty bad when Louisiana goes tougher on trainers than New York or Cali. This is sick. This guy has no reason to change his ways.

Coach Pants 04-19-2009 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig
if he gave it to himself in the detention barn, where nothing is to be given, then yes. i suppose some think rules are just made to be broken. but then, i thought you should be gone after that disgusting pic the other day, yet here you are.

Ok forum mom.

He was punished appropriately for the crime just like I was. Thank fake god we don't have people like you enforcing rules.

SCUDSBROTHER 04-19-2009 01:50 PM

Let the D.T. backpedaling begin.

http://www.audiosparx.com/sa/play/po...und_iid.163695

stonegossard 04-19-2009 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants
Ok forum mom.

He was punished appropriately for the crime just like I was. Thank fake god we don't have people like you enforcing rules.


What crime did you commit ?

Danzig 04-19-2009 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants
Ok forum mom.

He was punished appropriately for the crime just like I was. Thank fake god we don't have people like you enforcing rules.


forum mom? whatever. i guess it's poor form for me to say what i thought about your self portrait-but not poor form for you to have posted it. moving on....

Coach Pants 04-19-2009 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig
forum mom? whatever. i guess it's poor form for me to say what i thought about your self portrait-but not poor form for you to have posted it. moving on....

It's comedy gold that have no idea what goatse is. You're so out of touch with the internet it's no wonder that your opinion on crime and punishment dates back to the Roman age.

Danzig 04-19-2009 02:11 PM

i may be out of touch, but i do know how to put someone on the ignore list. since i thought you wouldn't be back, i hadn't bothered-til now.

philcski 04-19-2009 02:15 PM

What a phucking joke. Once again, outright cheating means nothing in this game according to the authorities.

Coach Pants 04-19-2009 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig
i may be out of touch, but i do know how to put someone on the ignore list. since i thought you wouldn't be back, i hadn't bothered-til now.

Maybe Steve should dart you 5 days for questioning his authority like I did? Just because you put money in the stables doesn't mean you should be exempt from the dartgun. Besides your pompous attitude lately is automatic grounds for a benching.

stonegossard 04-19-2009 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by philcski
What a phucking joke. Once again, outright cheating means nothing in this game according to the authorities.


Yeah, the penalty handed to him is a joke and will just give Mullins more reasons to continue to cheat. How this guy hasn't been thrown out of the game is beyond me. Pretty soon guys like Dutrow,Mullins, and Lake will be seen walking in and out of the detention barn with bags of needles throughout the day.

pmacdaddy 04-19-2009 02:31 PM

What a f*cking joke. Please...just get rid of the detention barns as they obviously don't mean sh*t.

Think of all the money they can save not pretending to REALLY mean business.

Too bad I'm at Disney this week. Could have met the Mullins family...

Stall Mucker 04-19-2009 02:35 PM

Despite the shady record, NYSRWB punishment is fair. 1st time offense in the D-Barn. Think about it. It is justice. We all know Mullins' past but, that does not come into account in this case. Many criminal cases are handled the same way.

pointman 04-19-2009 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by pmacdaddy
What a f*cking joke. Please...just get rid of the detention barns as they obviously don't mean sh*t.

Think of all the money they can save not pretending to REALLY mean business.

Too bad I'm at Disney this week. Could have met the Mullins family...

You are not kidding, it is no wonder why trainers take the risk of cheating, if these are the penalties than it is worth the risk. Watch the Mullins family take a 7 day trip to Disneyland!

Coach Pants 04-19-2009 02:37 PM

The fake outrage is hilarious.

The offence is about equal to you leaving work 15 minutes early on a friday, getting caught, and getting docked a weeks pay. The only difference is you don't have a bunch of judgemental a.ssholes whining about the punishment handed down...and if you did they would be fellow employees and you need to find another job because that place sucks.

pmacdaddy 04-19-2009 02:43 PM

The detention barns are the outrage.

Imagine being a trainer that gives a **** about knowing the rules and following them. Putting your horse through that detenetion barn nonsense (for show apparently). when if you break those rules you get a week off.

If the barns are supposed to improve public perception, just forget about it...

Its a dirty game. Adjust your handicapping and wait for it to die...

stonegossard 04-19-2009 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants
The fake outrage is hilarious.

The offence is about equal to you leaving work 15 minutes early on a friday, getting caught, and getting docked a weeks pay. The only difference is you don't have a bunch of judgemental a.ssholes whining about the punishment handed down...and if you did they would be fellow employees and you need to find another job because that place sucks.

You think going into a dentention barn and administering a drug before the race is not a big deal ? Is about as bad as it gets. Your comparison is laughable.

pointman 04-19-2009 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants
The fake outrage is hilarious.

The offence is about equal to you leaving work 15 minutes early on a friday, getting caught, and getting docked a weeks pay. The only difference is you don't have a bunch of judgemental a.ssholes whining about the punishment handed down...and if you did they would be fellow employees and you need to find another job because that place sucks.

Pants, I think you are missing the point here. This punishment shows there is no deterrent for violating the detention barn rules. It does not matter what was in the syringe, there is a clear policy that you cannot give a horse anything in the detention barn. A strong punishment would have sent the message that they are serious about this policy. No trainer should be unclear about this rule. If they gave a strong punishment, no trainer would dare take a risk. With this penalty, the risk is worth the reward.

Coach Pants 04-19-2009 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by stonegossard
You think going into a dentention barn and administering a drug before the race is not a big deal ? Is about as bad as it gets. Your comparison is laughable.

Yeah it was a serious drug. It would've enabled that horse to have a minty fresh feeling and that's illegal.

:rolleyes:

eajinabi 04-19-2009 02:52 PM

All of Mullins horses should be banned from racing that whole 7 days. Owners that give thier horses to mullins should be affected too. Then the owners will think twice before giving thier horses in Mullins "care".

Coach Pants 04-19-2009 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by pointman
Pants, I think you are missing the point here. This punishment shows there is no deterrent for violating the detention barn rules. It does not matter what was in the syringe, there is a clear policy that you cannot give a horse anything in the detention barn. A strong punishment would have sent the message that they are serious about this policy. No trainer should be unclear about this rule. If they gave a strong punishment, no trainer would dare take a risk. With this penalty, the risk is worth the reward.

And it's clear policy in most work places that you can't leave work 15 minutes early without permission and people still do it and don't get caught and when they do they usually aren't punished unless they're menial labor.

This is a minor infraction. The detention barn was a joke from the get-go and things aren't going to change because you can't fight the lawyers.

stonegossard 04-19-2009 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants
Yeah it was a serious drug. It would've enabled that horse to have a minty fresh feeling and that's illegal.

:rolleyes:


I am not sure what the hell giving the horse Scope before the race will do, but that's not the point. The point is he was in the detention barn giving the horse something. Thats is a major crime. I think you are missing the point here.

ezgoerbaby 04-19-2009 03:01 PM

The infraction was not minor...he had the audacity to give something (it doesn't matter WHAT it was...minty fresh or not) to a horse in a detention barn when the purpose of that detention barn is to keep horses from getting ANYTHING prior to a race. Yes...the detention barn is a joke, and him saying he didn't know was a joke....he knew...and didn't give a ****...and rightfully so, as he received practically NO punishment at all.

pointman 04-19-2009 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants
And it's clear policy in most work places that you can't leave work 15 minutes early without permission and people still do it and don't get caught and when they do they usually aren't punished unless they're menial labor.

This is a minor infraction. The detention barn was a joke from the get-go and things aren't going to change because you can't fight the lawyers.

I have to agree to disagree Pants. I believe that this kind of punishment is what makes the detention barn a joke. The detention barn to be effective needs a zero tolerance policy. When you start grading offenses trainers start to size up the risks. I just get this feeling that the happiest people about this suspension is Mullins' wife and kids.

Coach Pants 04-19-2009 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by stonegossard
I am not sure what the hell giving the horse Scope before the race will do, but that's not the point. The point is he was in the detention barn giving the horse something. Thats is a major crime. I think you are missing the point here.

"a major crime" :D

What is this an episode of Matlock? He did wrong. He was caught. The horse was scratched. The owners were out some money. He was suspended for a week which is serious money.

What more do you want? It's not like he was caught giving the horse a pair of wings. It was the equivalent of vicks vaporub. BFD.

And yes there probably was thought of the Preakness going into the handing down of the suspension. What if I Want Revenge wins the derby and his trainer is suspended for the Preakness?

I don't know about you but that sounds like a scenario out of Tard Marketing 101. Of course they're going to try everything in their power to downplay this offence and not make a national storyline out of it. It's bad enough we're going to have to endure hours of Eight Belles sob stories on derby day...but now you want this nonsense added to the equation?

Coach Pants 04-19-2009 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by pointman
I have to agree to disagree Pants. I believe that this kind of punishment is what makes the detention barn a joke. The detention barn to be effective needs a zero tolerance policy. When you start grading offenses trainers start to size up the risks. I just get this feeling that the happiest people about this suspension is Mullins' wife and kids.

The Detention Barn does practically nothing to curb cheating. Most drugs administered to these horses will never be detected. It's all smoke and mirrors from the Barney Fife crew for job security.

pgardn 04-19-2009 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants
The Detention Barn does practically nothing to curb cheating. Most drugs administered to these horses will never be detected. It's all smoke and mirrors from the Barney Fife crew for job security.


No rule is effective if the punishment for breaking the rules does not sting.
Its a cost benefit decision. And this clearly sends
the message that the detention barn is NOW a joke.

There may be many worse problems that need addressing.
This WAS a step to prevent prerace messing around.
NOW the detention barn really is a joke. Much more so than
it might have been before.

Comparing this to leaving work early or going 5 mph over the
speed limit is ridiculous. If people were leaving work early to take
items out of other workers cars...
Leaving work so there wont be a traffic jam is another story.

MaTH716 04-19-2009 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by pointman
Pants, I think you are missing the point here. This punishment shows there is no deterrent for violating the detention barn rules. It does not matter what was in the syringe, there is a clear policy that you cannot give a horse anything in the detention barn. A strong punishment would have sent the message that they are serious about this policy. No trainer should be unclear about this rule. If they gave a strong punishment, no trainer would dare take a risk. With this penalty, the risk is worth the reward.

I personally do think that it matters what was in the syringe. By no means am I trying to defend Mullins (I have my own opinion about the guy). But, didn't he mention that he had a horse that was administered Air Power a week or two earlier, when in the care of Anthony Dutrow (I know another interesting case)? He's a guy who is from out of town and got caught doing something that he probably thought was legit. I totally understand the detenion barn rules, but if it could be proved that a horse was treated with the air power weeks earlier, then there are apparently other bigger problems to worry about at the detention barn. Also do you think there would be as much outrage if it was a guy like Michael Matz who shipped in and got caught? I think it was a fair punishment, it was cough syrup, but since it was Mullins people want him lynched.

pgardn 04-19-2009 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716
I personally do think that it matters what was in the syringe. By no means am I trying to defend Mullins (I have my own opinion about the guy). But, didn't he mention that he had a horse that was administered Air Power a week or two earlier, when in the care of Anthony Dutrow (I know another interesting case)? He's a guy who is from out of town and got caught doing something that he probably thought was legit. I totally understand the detenion barn rules, but if it could be proved that a horse was treated with the air power weeks earlier, then there are apparently other bigger problems to worry about at the detention barn. Also do you think there would be as much outrage if it was a guy like Michael Matz who shipped in and got caught? I think it was a fair punishment, it was cough syrup, but since it was Mullins people want him lynched.


This is exactly what he wants everyone to think.
They checked him before he went in, and did nothing,
so the administration was legal. This is what he would
have you believe and its bull. He knows damn well
what he did was illegal. He says he did not. That is
a lie.

It may however be true that another trainer or person
associated with a horse has done the same thing and
got the same punishment. Maybe someone knows if
this rule has been violated and this is the first offense
punishment. If this is true, then the punishment is merely
following precedence. Which one really cannot argue.

stonegossard 04-19-2009 03:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coach Pants
"a major crime" :D

What is this an episode of Matlock? He did wrong. He was caught. The horse was scratched. The owners were out some money. He was suspended for a week which is serious money.

What more do you want? It's not like he was caught giving the horse a pair of wings. It was the equivalent of vicks vaporub. BFD.

And yes there probably was thought of the Preakness going into the handing down of the suspension. What if I Want Revenge wins the derby and his trainer is suspended for the Preakness?

I don't know about you but that sounds like a scenario out of Tard Marketing 101. Of course they're going to try everything in their power to downplay this offence and not make a national storyline out of it. It's bad enough we're going to have to endure hours of Eight Belles sob stories on derby day...but now you want this nonsense added to the equation?



Coach you are killing me. :wf

HaloWishingwell 04-19-2009 03:51 PM

Totally irresponsible for a trainer not to know the rules of the track and he's responsible for his actions. Secondly judging from his past Mullins only had "Airpower" with him at that time but what's not to think he was testing the detention system with something legal the first time? He might have been ready to use something more powerful had he seen the security was lax the first time.

ezgoerbaby 04-19-2009 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716
I personally do think that it matters what was in the syringe. By no means am I trying to defend Mullins (I have my own opinion about the guy). But, didn't he mention that he had a horse that was administered Air Power a week or two earlier, when in the care of Anthony Dutrow (I know another interesting case)? He's a guy who is from out of town and got caught doing something that he probably thought was legit. I totally understand the detenion barn rules, but if it could be proved that a horse was treated with the air power weeks earlier, then there are apparently other bigger problems to worry about at the detention barn. Also do you think there would be as much outrage if it was a guy like Michael Matz who shipped in and got caught? I think it was a fair punishment, it was cough syrup, but since it was Mullins people want him lynched.

I'd call for Matz' head too if he'd done something this ridiculous.


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