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AeWingnut 04-04-2009 02:39 AM

building a religion
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18cmUeG55PE

AeWingnut 04-04-2009 02:42 AM


otisotisotis 04-04-2009 08:37 AM

lol @ u!
just call him the antichrist and be finished with it.:zz:

GBBob 04-04-2009 08:38 AM

Better than being a catholic:rolleyes:

AeWingnut 04-04-2009 08:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by otisotisotis
lol @ u!
just call him the antichrist and be finished with it.:zz:


Illinois lottery numbers the day after Obama won the election

11/05/2008 Evening Pick 3 6-6-6
11/05/2008 Evening Pick 4 7-7-7-9

coincidence?
don't believe me?

go here

http://www.illinoislottery.com/subse...ry/Win2008.htm

GBBob 04-04-2009 09:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AeWingnut
Illinois lottery numbers the day after Obama won the election

11/05/2008 Evening Pick 3 6-6-6
11/05/2008 Evening Pick 4 7-7-7-9

coincidence?
don't believe me?

go here

http://www.illinoislottery.com/subse...ry/Win2008.htm

and if you add the first two numbers in each set it equals...

9-11


:wf

pgardn 04-04-2009 09:20 AM

Numerology...

We should all wish the majority
of handicappers played races this
way.

I might break even.

AeWingnut 04-04-2009 10:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GBBob
and if you add the first two numbers in each set it equals...

9-11


:wf


only if you went to public school and took the new math

dellinger63 04-04-2009 10:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GBBob
Better than being a catholic:rolleyes:

and being Catholic is far better than being Muslim or an Obamaite...

Amazing how we always seem to be the only religion you can put down with still being politically correct. :zz:

pgardn 04-04-2009 10:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dellinger63
and being Catholic is far better than being Muslim or an Obamaite...

Amazing how we always seem to be the only religion you can put down with still being politically correct. :zz:


This makes Catholics appear more tolerant
and forgiving. This should be seen as an
admirable quality imo.

And why mix Obama with religion...

dellinger63 04-04-2009 11:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pgardn
This makes Catholics appear more tolerant
and forgiving. This should be seen as an
admirable quality imo.

And why mix Obama with religion...

Guess so though it gets old sometimes IMO. The hypocracy of the critics is a bit amusing. :)

AeWingnut 04-04-2009 11:32 AM

DUDE !

pgardn 04-04-2009 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by dellinger63
Guess so though it gets old sometimes IMO. The hypocracy of the critics is a bit amusing. :)

Might be, but it is a healthy sign that people
are comfortable with their beliefs and dont make up
phantom threats.
How many Muslims can be critics in Arab countries...
Ask Salmon Rushdie and those Dutch cartoonists
how tolerant Islamic extremists are.

GBBob 04-04-2009 12:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dellinger63
and being Catholic is far better than being Muslim or an Obamaite...

Amazing how we always seem to be the only religion you can put down with still being politically correct. :zz:

That was pointed at Mr. Wing....not a "random" shot

The Indomitable DrugS 04-04-2009 02:34 PM

I think it's a great idea to start a new religion.

I guess I'd make Hooves the pope.

otisotisotis 04-04-2009 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
I think it's a great idea to start a new religion.

I guess I'd make Hooves the pope.

I'm working on my business plan....I figure no taxes, all profit, and I can take 50% on bingo nights!

Danzig 04-04-2009 05:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dellinger63
and being Catholic is far better than being Muslim or an Obamaite...

Amazing how we always seem to be the only religion you can put down with still being politically correct. :zz:

people put down muslims all the time, they're all violent, christian killing zealots you know. mitt romney was dismissed as being a viable candidate because he's a mormon-of course, that's not a 'real' religion...

SCUDSBROTHER 04-04-2009 06:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dellinger63
and being Catholic is far better than being Muslim or an Obamaite...

Amazing how we always seem to be the only religion you can put down with still being politically correct. :zz:

That's because most Catholics don't agree with the those in charge of their own religion.

dellinger63 04-04-2009 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER
That's because most Catholics don't agree with the those in charge of their own religion.

Only a anti-Catholic would say that. Thanks for making my point though.

SCUDSBROTHER 04-04-2009 06:21 PM

As long as people make public policy based on their religious beliefs, then it's part of the political discussion. You say THE MORMON was dismissed and considered non-viable? Well, if you wanted to buy some alcohol to drink at home, and were inconvenienced by Mormons, then you have a right to say you don't want to vote for him (simply because he's Mormon.) It's their own fault for making laws(everyone must live with) based on their own religion.

SCUDSBROTHER 04-04-2009 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by dellinger63
Only a anti-Catholic would say that. Thanks for making my point though.

You've said it. Remember? Dropping seed on the floor is a sin?


"Scuds if you want to quote my Church's Doctrine get it right. No sex before marriage LMAO. And being fixed is AOK. PS we don't all goose step to the Pope or bend over for every priest though my hair used to be parted in the middle"- Dellinger

dellinger63 04-04-2009 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER
You've said it. Remember? Dropping seed on the floor is a sin?


"Scuds if you want to quote my Church's Doctrine get it right. No sex before marriage LMAO. And being fixed is AOK. PS we don't all goose step to the Pope or bend over for every priest though my hair used to be parted in the middle"- Dellinger

missed where I said dropping seed is a sin? But nice try. We don't donate underwear either.

SCUDSBROTHER 04-04-2009 06:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dellinger63
missed where I said dropping seed is a sin? But nice try. We don't donate underwear either.

I said the leaders of your church think it's a sin to drop seed. That's why you said "...we don't all goose step to the Pope or bend over for every priest...."- Dellinger

dellinger63 04-04-2009 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER
I said the leaders of your church think it's a sin to drop seed. That's why you said "...we don't all goose step to the Pope or bend over for every priest...."- Dellinger

and we don't so your point is? and Pelosi a felow Catholic is a piece of crap as is Kennedy and Kerry and they don't goose step either. LOL Obama is a Muslim who became Christian who left his priest/rev and church to become president 'and now you have the rest of the story.'

dellinger63 04-04-2009 07:39 PM

and Jesse Sr. a Rev who ran for Pres is a baby daddy LMAO and on SS.

SCUDSBROTHER 04-04-2009 07:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dellinger63
and we don't so your point is? and Pelosi a felow Catholic is a piece of crap as is Kennedy and Kerry and they don't goose step either. LOL Obama is a Muslim who became Christian who left hs priest and church to become president 'and now you have the rest of the story.'

You said "Amazing how we always seem to be the only religion you can put down with still being politically correct." All I'm saying is it's because Catholics often make it clear that they don't agree with the people in charge of their own religion. That's why it's a unique situation.

dellinger63 04-04-2009 07:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER
You said "Amazing how we always seem to be the only religion you can put down with still being politically correct." All I'm saying is it's because Catholics often make it clear that they don't agree with the people in charge of their own religion. That's why it's a unique situation.

Maybe rare but far from unique. Obama left his Rev because of the media for the presidency

Danzig 04-04-2009 08:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER
As long as people make public policy based on their religious beliefs, then it's part of the political discussion. You say THE MORMON was dismissed and considered non-viable? Well, if you wanted to buy some alcohol to drink at home, and were inconvenienced by Mormons, then you have a right to say you don't want to vote for him (simply because he's Mormon.) It's their own fault for making laws(everyone must live with) based on their own religion.

i'm not one who said romney wasn't a viable candidate. i was using him as an example to illustrate that catholics are not the only ones seeing criticisms of their religion.

and no, catholics do not agree with all the churches teachings-read any subject in which the catholic church weighs in, and you'll see that not all members agree~ the subjects of pre-marital sex, abortion rights, same sex marriage, and birth control for starters.

AeWingnut 04-04-2009 08:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danzig
i'm not one who said romney wasn't a viable candidate. i was using him as an example to illustrate that catholics are not the only ones seeing criticisms of their religion.

and no, catholics do not agree with all the churches teachings-read any subject in which the catholic church weighs in, and you'll see that not all members agree~ the subjects of pre-marital sex, abortion rights, same sex marriage, and birth control for starters.


Hence the term Cafeteria Catholics.

SCUDSBROTHER 04-04-2009 08:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danzig
i'm not one who said romney wasn't a viable candidate. i was using him as an example to illustrate that catholics are not the only ones seeing criticisms of their religion.

and no, catholics do not agree with all the churches teachings-read any subject in which the catholic church weighs in, and you'll see that not all members agree~ the subjects of pre-marital sex, abortion rights, same sex marriage, and birth control for starters.


Dell's point was that criticizing his religion was the only one it's P.C. to criticize. If that's true(highly questionable,) my point is that it's mainly because the members of that religion often agree with the criticisms of it.

The two examples you gave aren't (to me) examples that are considered P.C.

"people put down muslims all the time, they're all violent, christian killing zealots you know."

1) I don't think it's P.C. (I do it, but I don't think most others consider it P.C.)
2) If people do it, then, they usually do it because their Prophet encouraged beating women, or encouraged killing non-believers (like wanting to kick the Jews into the Sea.)

"mitt romney was dismissed as being a viable candidate because he's a mormon-of course, that's not a 'real' religion."

1) Again, I don't think this type of statement is considered P.C. by most others.
2) I think they are more apt to be disliked for trying to mess with the Politics in states they aren't living in (anti-Gay Marriage Amendment etc.,) or for laws like the ones they have about alcohol purchases. Maybe in the South, a lot of people think it's a cult religion.

Danzig 04-04-2009 09:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AeWingnut
Hence the term Cafeteria Catholics.

i never got that criticism tho. i'd imagine every religion has the same type of occurrence with followers not agreeing with everything their church stands for. it's why you have so many different churches now, with offshoots springing up seemingly every day. but it seems with the catholic church, their members remain for the most part.

Danzig 04-04-2009 09:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER
Dell's point was that criticizing his religion was the only one it's P.C. to criticize. If that's true(highly questionable,) my point is that it's mainly because the members of that religion often agree with the criticisms of it.

The two examples you gave aren't (to me) examples that are considered P.C.

"people put down muslims all the time, they're all violent, christian killing zealots you know."

1) I don't think it's P.C. (I do it, but I don't think most others consider it P.C.)
2) If people do it, then, they usually do it because their Prophet encouraged beating women, or encouraged killing non-believers (like wanting to kick the Jews into the Sea.)

"mitt romney was dismissed as being a viable candidate because he's a mormon-of course, that's not a 'real' religion."

1) Again, I don't think this type of statement is considered P.C. by most others.
2) I think they are more apt to be disliked for trying to mess with the Politics in states they aren't living in (anti-Gay Marriage Amendment etc.,) or for laws like the ones they have about alcohol purchases. Maybe in the South, a lot of people think it's a cult religion.

i just disagree that it's only catholics who get criticized. and i do agree that it's members of the church who partake in the criticizing. there are high profile democrats who probably add to the mix, since they are very vocal about not agreeing with their churches teachings.

GBBob 04-04-2009 09:08 PM

I'll tread lightly here...but the thing about religion in general that gets me..is that they all think they are right!!..

So...assuming ANY of them are "right"...that means all the others are wrong...Isn't that hilarious? I can't imagine putting my life principals and in some cases, forcing them on others, when there is a 90% chance that I am wrong. Religion should be a highly personal, faith based preference...so why do they insist on infringing on other's territory?

Danzig 04-04-2009 09:15 PM

"Millions of innocent men, women, and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burned, tortured, fined, and imprisoned, yet we have not advanced one inch toward uniformity. What has been the effect of coercion? To make one half of the world fools and the other half hypocrites." ~Thomas Jefferson


"This is my simple religion. There is no need for temples; no need for complicated philosophy. Our own brain, our own heart is our temple; the philosophy is kindness."~The Dalai Lama


"Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by rulers as useful."~Seneca



"Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it, you'd have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, it takes religion." ~Steven Weinberg, Nobel Laureate

GBBob 04-04-2009 09:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danzig
"Millions of innocent men, women, and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burned, tortured, fined, and imprisoned, yet we have not advanced one inch toward uniformity. What has been the effect of coercion? To make one half of the world fools and the other half hypocrites." ~Thomas Jefferson


"This is my simple religion. There is no need for temples; no need for complicated philosophy. Our own brain, our own heart is our temple; the philosophy is kindness."~The Dalai Lama


"Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by rulers as useful."~Seneca



"Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it, you'd have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, it takes religion." ~Steven Weinberg, Nobel Laureate

:tro:

herkhorse 04-04-2009 09:46 PM

I love religion, it's to die for.

SCUDSBROTHER 04-04-2009 09:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GBBob
I'll tread lightly here...but the thing about religion in general that gets me..is that they all think they are right!!..

So...assuming ANY of them are "right"...that means all the others are wrong...Isn't that hilarious? I can't imagine putting my life principals and in some cases, forcing them on others, when there is a 90% chance that I am wrong. Religion should be a highly personal, faith based preference...so why do they insist on infringing on other's territory?

Well, fear of the unknown(death) is one reason. I know why they bother others so much. It's Double Points:

1)They help their maker turn a heathen into something of worth. They get points.

2) They save you (cuz you aren't smart enough to help yourself.) They get you some points.

GBBob 04-04-2009 10:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER
Well, fear of the unknown(death) is one reason. I know why they bother others so much. It's Double Points:

1)They help their maker turn a heathen into something of worth. They get points.

2) They save you (cuz you aren't smart enough to help yourself.) They get you some points.

One of my best friends is soft "born again"...he has dedicated himself to Christ and says that I will go to hell if I don't. So, I ask...if Manson dedicates himself to Christ, he's cool?

Yup...

and he prays for me every Sunday

pgardn 04-04-2009 10:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GBBob
One of my best friends is soft "born again"...he has dedicated himself to Christ and says that I will go to hell if I don't. So, I ask...if Manson dedicates himself to Christ, he's cool?

Yup...

and he prays for me every Sunday

My cousin is like this.
Just take his cell phone and ask
him where God is on his call list
since he has got all the answers.


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