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Kasept 03-27-2009 07:31 AM

"His mother-in-law is dying right now".. "I'm almost done."
 
As disgusting a case of police authority abuse as you'll see. Current Texan and former Eagle RB Ryan Moats' mother in law is dying from breast cancer, and Dallas super cop is lecturing him about running a red light and 'attitude'... Was brandishing his weapon too. Very impressive work from the city most famous for the killing of a President.

Watch the 17 minutes of video to find out what it feels like to be a black man in America.

VIDEO:
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shu...urn=nfl,150809

ARTICLE:
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slu...v=ap&type=lgns

timmgirvan 03-27-2009 07:36 AM

Very Sad situation!:(

NTamm1215 03-27-2009 07:53 AM

As someone who's thankful that I am formerly a Dallasite, this is an absolutely terrible story. The video is incredibly troublesome as there is really no explanation for that behavior, especially with Moats pleading with him for quite some time.

A little something else about Dallas- the city has a long history of racism. Politically it has been a problem for quite some time and suburbs like Plano have been hotbeds for even longer.

No winners in this situation.

NT

Antitrust32 03-27-2009 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215
As someone who's thankful that I am formerly a Dallasite, this is an absolutely terrible story. The video is incredibly troublesome as there is really no explanation for that behavior, especially with Moats pleading with him for quite some time.

A little something else about Dallas- the city has a long history of racism. Politically it has been a problem for quite some time and suburbs like Plano have been hotbeds for even longer.

No winners in this situation.

NT

unfortunately, cops are terrible all across the country. Racial profiling is just so disgusting. Its real bad in the south.

I cant believe that some people dont believe it happens, but blacks and whites are just not equal in the minds of lots of power abusing cops. Eric Holder was very correct with his statement a month ago.. eventhough he got crap over it.

I've been really hoping that this is one thing Obama can "Change". Though I dont know if anyone can change it until some generations pass by.

Maybe one day we'll all be one big happy family like its supposed to be. I can always dream!

This is a very sick and sad story.

dellinger63 03-27-2009 08:31 AM

I must admit it is a bad situation but I think a white man woud have received the same treatment. Hint don't tell a cop you have no insurance and give him a license when asked. I did not see a gun come out.

Chicago cops beat a guy in a wheel chair, in a hospital, that was far worse. And if this did happen in Chicago I think everyone including mother-in-law would be face down on the concrete at the hospital at gun point. That said I know for a fact if you're black and coming to visit me you are likely to be pulled over or at least followed by 3 different police agencies the worst being a 5-man force bordering WI. That is sickening. The Dallas situation is dfferent as the SUV was tinted and the truck was pulled over for the red light infraction not because of the skin color of the occupants. There are far better examples of police racism and abuse IMO.

Danzig 03-27-2009 08:34 AM

i agree with moats, the cop should lose his job over this. absolutely disgusting display of arrogance by the dallas policeman.

Scav 03-27-2009 08:38 AM

I can tell you this, I wouldn't have f'n stopped, I would have waved him over or did something to alert him to an emergency, when the car pulled up to the emergency room, he would have gotten the drift. Shady f'n cops

Cannon Shell 03-27-2009 08:43 AM

I agree with Dell. Cops, especially young cops love to show you who is the boss. Hell new security guards at the track love to break chops.

And Lori you know that racism isn't going to be "solved" by a black president or anyone . It cant be solved. Racism exists in every society throughout the world. Ethnic cleansing in Eastern Europe, the same in africa, Asia, etc.

And this was hardly a case of racial profiling, the guy ran a red light and didn't stop when the police came after him. While the cop was extraordinarily insensitive afterwards, it is hard to say that this was racially motivated.

Kasept 03-27-2009 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by dellinger63
I must admit it is a bad situation but I think a white man woud have received the same treatment. Hint don't tell a cop you have no insurance and give him a license when asked. I did not see a gun come out..

No.. No they wouldn't. A white man gets out of that SUV and says what Moats said, that my mother in law is dying, and the cop hustles him inside and worries about the traffic infraction... done at an empty intersection... later.

And the gun came out as acknowledged by the officer himself.

Moats was as polite as can be. You couldn't hear the "yes sirs" and "no sirs" as this surly punk cop was dressing him down? The translation of that is "Yes massah" and "No massah"..

Rationalize it all you want. This was a brazen abuse of authority and came within inches of a hate crime had the cop further misread the situation. This kid should be sitting at a desk the rest of his civil service career.

Kasept 03-27-2009 08:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
And this was hardly a case of racial profiling, the guy ran a red light and didn't stop when the police came after him. While the cop was extraordinarily insensitive afterwards, it is hard to say that this was racially motivated.

The car had it's hazards flashing.. Paused at the empty intersection before going through.. Drove quickly but not recklessly to the ER driveway at Baylor.. Two women run inside the hospital distraught.. And the dipstick badge can't comprehend the situation.. despite being told what's happening..

Cannon Shell 03-27-2009 08:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kasept
No.. No they wouldn't. A white man gets out of that SUV and says what Moats said, that my mother in law is dying, and the cop hustles him inside and worries about the traffic infraction... done at an empty intersection... later.

And the gun came out as acknowledged by the officer himself.

Moats was as polite as can be. You couldn't hear the "yes sirs" and "no sirs" as this surly punk cop was dressing him down? The translation of that is "Yes massah" and "No massah"..

Rationalize it all you want. This was a brazen abuse of authority and came within inches of a hate crime had the cop further misread the situation. This kid should be sitting at a desk the rest of his civil service career.

Steve I have white friends that have had thier asses kicked by young cops for less than this guy did in Saratoga no less.. Personally I have been treated in a similar fashion in Louisville. I am not defending the cop in any way but just saying that a lot of 25 year old cops act in this manner.

dellinger63 03-27-2009 08:59 AM

Steve, I was driving back from a case we were following at 26th and Cal. As I headed back towards the beautiful Dan Ryan I was pulled over for no apparant reason and then boxed in by a Det car. As I opened the door I was pulled out and put face down in the dirt w/a knee on my back and gun at my head. My infraction? Driving a vehicle w/tinted windows that matched a car used in a drive-by. Many other instances have happened to me while on surveillance and small town/suburb cops have the attitude they own the street and we have no right to be there. I think it's more of a police power trip than racism cause although I tan pretty well I'm still a cracker.

PS a gun definately should not have been pulled.

Cannon Shell 03-27-2009 08:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kasept
The car had it's hazards flashing.. Paused at the empty intersection before going through.. Drove quickly but not recklessly to the ER driveway at Baylor.. Two women run inside the hospital distraught.. And the dipstick badge can't comprehend the situation.. despite being told what's happening..

But making him a racist without any real evidence other than an assumption of guilt because he is white and the guy is black is wrong too. We cant just assume that every white assh ole is a racist when dealing with non white people. That is as much racial profiling as the other way. Bad guys can be bad guys without being racist. This should be a case about police using poor judgement and being extremely insensitive to a private citizens concerns, not racism unless the cop has some baggage.

Kasept 03-27-2009 09:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Steve I have white friends that have had thier asses kicked by young cops for less than this guy did in Saratoga no less.. Personally I have been treated in a similar fashion in Louisville. I am not defending the cop in any way but just saying that a lot of 25 year old cops act in this manner.

I've been bullied by cops as well. Police work is a thankless, dangerous job.. look at the horrific tragedy in Oakland... But common sense, decision making ability and compassion are supposed to be watch words of police duty. "To protect and serve" after all. If this kid can't figure out the scenario involved in people rushing to a hospital, how is he going to act in a truly threatening situation under duress? Based on his reaction in this low risk incident, he's a hazard to the public... be they white or black. And the DPD or any PD should be doing all they can to eliminate bullies and sadists from their forces. And I certainly agree that Saratoga-sized city cops and County Mountie types are as bad or worse with this problem as big city badges.

Kasept 03-27-2009 09:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
But making him a racist without any real evidence other than an assumption of guilt because he is white and the guy is black is wrong too. We cant just assume that every white assh ole is a racist when dealing with non white people. That is as much racial profiling as the other way. Bad guys can be bad guys without being racist. This should be a case about police using poor judgement and being extremely insensitive to a private citizens concerns, not racism unless the cop has some baggage.

I agree. Shift the claim of racist to simple bully or persecution-complexed sadist.

mclem0822 03-27-2009 09:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kasept
As disgusting a case of police authority abuse as you'll see. Current Texan and former Eagle RB Ryan Moats' mother in law is dying from breast cancer, and Dallas super cop is lecturing him about running a red light and 'attitude'... Was brandishing his weapon too. Very impressive work from the city most famous for the killing of a President.

Watch the 17 minutes of video to find out what it feels like to be a black man in America.

VIDEO:
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shu...urn=nfl,150809

ARTICLE:
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slu...v=ap&type=lgns

Holly F**ing ****! This is outrageous Steve! As one who didn't make it to the hospital in time when my own mother passed back in 1998, this is very painful to watch.:( I hope he sues the department, and this a**hole cop is brought up on charges, it's disgusting! Show a little compassion here! That really pisses me off!:mad:

Antitrust32 03-27-2009 09:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
I agree with Dell. Cops, especially young cops love to show you who is the boss. Hell new security guards at the track love to break chops.

And Lori you know that racism isn't going to be "solved" by a black president or anyone . It cant be solved. Racism exists in every society throughout the world. Ethnic cleansing in Eastern Europe, the same in africa, Asia, etc.

And this was hardly a case of racial profiling, the guy ran a red light and didn't stop when the police came after him. While the cop was extraordinarily insensitive afterwards, it is hard to say that this was racially motivated.


I know that racism isnt going to be solved by a black president, and thats not what I meant to say.. I just hope that somehow there could be rules prohibiting racial profiling with cops so that it wont be accepted anymore. But I dont know if that could happen.

And I very much disagree with your that this isnt a case of racial profiling. He may have not initially been pulled over because of his skin color but what happened after was.

mclem0822 03-27-2009 09:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kasept
The car had it's hazards flashing.. Paused at the empty intersection before going through.. Drove quickly but not recklessly to the ER driveway at Baylor.. Two women run inside the hospital distraught.. And the dipstick badge can't comprehend the situation.. despite being told what's happening..

That's right, which the freakin cop could clearly see and which Moats was trying to explain, but this jag-off cop would not even listen!:mad:

Antitrust32 03-27-2009 09:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kasept
No.. No they wouldn't. A white man gets out of that SUV and says what Moats said, that my mother in law is dying, and the cop hustles him inside and worries about the traffic infraction... done at an empty intersection... later.

And the gun came out as acknowledged by the officer himself.

Moats was as polite as can be. You couldn't hear the "yes sirs" and "no sirs" as this surly punk cop was dressing him down? The translation of that is "Yes massah" and "No massah"..

Rationalize it all you want. This was a brazen abuse of authority and came within inches of a hate crime had the cop further misread the situation. This kid should be sitting at a desk the rest of his civil service career.

:tro:

Antitrust32 03-27-2009 09:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
But making him a racist without any real evidence other than an assumption of guilt because he is white and the guy is black is wrong too. We cant just assume that every white assh ole is a racist when dealing with non white people. That is as much racial profiling as the other way. Bad guys can be bad guys without being racist. This should be a case about police using poor judgement and being extremely insensitive to a private citizens concerns, not racism unless the cop has some baggage.


i feel this statement is just completely off base.

Scav 03-27-2009 10:44 AM

As long as you tell the cop to stop being a tough guy and to relax, everything should be all good :)

Cannon Shell 03-27-2009 01:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Antitrust32
I know that racism isnt going to be solved by a black president, and thats not what I meant to say.. I just hope that somehow there could be rules prohibiting racial profiling with cops so that it wont be accepted anymore. But I dont know if that could happen.

And I very much disagree with your that this isnt a case of racial profiling. He may have not initially been pulled over because of his skin color but what happened after was.

And you are judging in a racist manner by saying that he is racist. You are judging the cop on a certain standard simply because he is white. As I said before you can be a bad cop, bad person or just a total jackoff and not be racist. It IS racist to assume that the cop's actions were motivated by race with no other evidence to back that up.

And while I am sure that there are already rules concerning racial profiling those are the kinds of things that actually wind up helping the defense lawyers of bad guys get off rather than really stopping the abuse. You cant legislate morality. Racism sucks but making issues of race in every black/white encounter doesnt help.

Cannon Shell 03-27-2009 01:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Antitrust32
i feel this statement is just completely off base.

Your assumption of him being racist solely because he is white and the football player is black is a version of racism.

Antitrust32 03-27-2009 01:52 PM

I will confess that I am racist towards racisit cops.

dellinger63 03-27-2009 04:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Antitrust32
I will confess that I am racist towards racisit cops.

and maybe profiling a bit?

Cannon Shell 03-27-2009 05:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Antitrust32
I will confess that I am racist towards racisit cops.

F*uck the police!!

Coach Pants 03-27-2009 05:10 PM

How in the f.uck can that video make me feel black?

Stop being a white apologist. It's weak.

GPK 03-27-2009 06:26 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8PaoLy7PHwk

hi_im_god 03-27-2009 06:45 PM

thank god, through our collective efforts, we've managed to turn this situation into one that is about discrimination against whites.

well done politics/society.

dellinger63 03-27-2009 06:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hi_im_god
thank god, through our collective efforts, we've managed to turn this situation into one that is about discrimination against whites.

well done politics/society.

Huh?

Swing and missssss........

hi_im_god 03-27-2009 07:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dellinger63
Huh?

Swing and missssss........

the poor cop is being judged simply on the fact he is white.

in some segments of our country every discussion of race has to include "reverse racism" as if it's an equivalent issue.

Honu 03-27-2009 07:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hi_im_god
the poor cop is being judged simply on the fact he is white.

in some segments of our country every discussion of race has to include "reverse racism" as if it's an equivalent issue.


I judge him on the fact that he is a heartless idiot.

Cannon Shell 03-27-2009 07:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hi_im_god
the poor cop is being judged simply on the fact he is white.

in some segments of our country every discussion of race has to include "reverse racism" as if it's an equivalent issue.

Stirring up calls of racism everytime there is a black/white altercation makes matters worse rather than better. We have the luxury of knowing what was actually going on inside the hospital. At what point did the cop make any racist comments?

The fact that it is being called an act of racism shows how far there is to go.

DerbyCat 03-27-2009 11:01 PM

For those of you that don't know, I'm an ex-cop. Most cops aren't like this kid in Dallas but I know that there are still too many like him on the street. What didn't surprise me about this case was his approach, young cops know how to escalate a problem but they don't know how to DE-escalate, they have to show the suspect who "The Man" is - let me explain - they teach you a couple key things in the academy, 1. It's cops against everyone else ("everyone you contact on the street may kill you given the chance, don't give them that chance"), 2. Follow your S.O.P. (Standard Operating Procedure) - this is the weakness. They teach new cops how to *follow the rules* when problem solving via escalation (first use your *command presence*, if that doesn't work then try the pepper spray, after that use your baton and as a last resort, shoot them twice in their chest with your gun) but they don't teach you how to DE-escalate, how to say "I'm sorry, I made a mistake" or to let someone go, *no harm, no foul*. If you stop someone because they fit a "profile" (black man in a white neighborhood, white guy driving slowly around a Hispanic neighborhood known for drug sales), you can't let that person go with a warning, especially if you pull them out of their car and toss it, you HAVE to write a ticket to that person to *justify* what you did. This mentality is passed from senior officers to rookies and it continues throughout the years... It doesn't make it right, it just is what it is.

Until cops can see people for the fragile humans that they are, they will continue to disrespect those people that set their radar off - it's really hard to respect someone your afraid might kill you - that was the problem in Dallas.

Coach Pants 03-28-2009 01:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hi_im_god
thank god, through our collective efforts, we've managed to turn this situation into one that is about discrimination against whites.

well done politics/society.

Huh

golfer 03-28-2009 03:29 AM

The fact that this officer believed he was doing his job properly is absolute proof he should never have the chance to do it again.

Law enforcement officers need to be held to a higher standard of behavior, based on the possible consequences of their actions.

Every day I seem to come across stories of police abuse. Is it happening more frequently, or are there just more video cameras recording it these days?

Coach Pants 03-28-2009 09:02 AM

Yeah lets hold officers to high moral standards and continue to pay them pennies on the dollar. You know, because life is f.ucking grand when you're making around $35,000/year. I mean who wouldn't be happy as a motherf.ucker with a great job like that and 3 kids and a stay at home wife living in a s.hitty duplex.

Edit: Yeah and be honest...who here really cares about their mother-in-law? I mean really.

MaTH716 03-28-2009 09:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by golfer
The fact that this officer believed he was doing his job properly is absolute proof he should never have the chance to do it again.

Law enforcement officers need to be held to a higher standard of behavior, based on the possible consequences of their actions.

Every day I seem to come across stories of police abuse. Is it happening more frequently, or are there just more video cameras recording it these days?

Granted the officer showed a giantic lack of common sense/compassion(and deserves to be disaplined). But he did witness someone commit several moving violations. Then when they finally stopped, he had 3 people jump out of a car and choas ensued. Like I said I don't think he handled the situation well after all the cards were on the table (But, it wasn't like he was a 20 year vet) he thought was just doing his job.

declansharbor 03-28-2009 09:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DerbyCat

Until cops can see people for the fragile humans that they are, they will continue to disrespect those people that set their radar off - it's really hard to respect someone your afraid might kill you - that was the problem in Dallas.

If this happened on a drug corner or in a gang-related neighborhood, I would agree. It, however, culminated in a HOSPITAL parking lot.

This tough-guy cop must have the IQ of a sewer rat. He deserves nothing short of Michael Fay treatment, if for nothing else, for being so stupid and heartless. He did the right thing by pulling him over, but where was this d'bags common sense after they tried to explain their case?

Danzig 03-28-2009 11:45 AM

on the one hand, you do have police who hear sob stories, most of them false, every day.
on the other hand, it shouldn't have taken the yahoo 17 minutes to get to the bottom of the story.


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