Good Jub Obama!
 

He gets one thing right at least!!! :tro: :tro: ... lifting restrictions on stem cell research. Great news!

Bush was an idiot for a lot of things, and restricting stem cell research was one of them.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/firs...earch-funding/

Great. People will live longer and the population will spike!

Just what the world needs!!

but we can then raise the age at which you can start getting social security...and more paying in for a longer time, just think what that'll do to the budget.
well, it wouldn't do anything. the more the gov makes, the more it spends.

Not according to the whack job religious right.... 50 million babies will be murdered to support stem cell research.

This is indeed terrific news. Bush was crazy, the political way he interfered in this. In my eyes, W. Bush is personally and morally responsible for delaying research into cures for diabetes, spinal cord injuries, etc., and breakthroughs in burn treatment, orthopaedics, organ transplantation, etc.

I read that FoxNews link, and of course that article goes off yapping on things that are not exactly true.

Here's a more objective link (run it all together if it breaks):

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washing...M_Exclude=Juno

Such as this completely moronic and blatently scientifically ignorant statement from Rep. Eric Cantor?

If it is 50 million future liberals I am in total support

What exactly wasnt true in that link? A more objective link? No a more liberal papers link.

Scientists were forced in a good way to find other , maybe even better research with stem cells because the federal government didnt pay for embryonic research. Just because the federal government didnt pay for the research doesnt mean that there wasnt any happening , it just meant that instead of tax dollars paying for it , it was most ikely privately funded.

or in otherwards more efficently and responsibily funded.

And I was agreeing with you . My father just had some stem cell treatment for his Multiple Myloma (there is no cure) he is in remission and there is no sign of the cancer, for now, they actually took stem cells from his own body and froze them and then re-entered them back into his body via his sternum after they zapped him down to nothing with radiation.

There is very strong evidence that shows ADULT stem cells are more usable in genetic work. Last week, there was a warning about infant cells being unable to fight off disease or something akin to that.

Exactly , we are headed down a pretty scarey road for our country with all the federaly funded programs that are being enacted.

What isn't "exactly true" is the factual information the article avoids giving the readers (until a half-azzed way in the last sentence).

If FoxNews said the whole truth right up front, in the first paragraphs as they should, and stated it clearly, they couldn't then fill the body of the article with silly, imagination-based, politician fear-quotes.

These are embryos that have been already destroyed and are headed for the trash bin.

These embryos will hit the trash bin whether stem cell research exists or not.

No embryos are destroyed simply for stem-cell research.


This is a science emphasis article. Or should be.

FoxNews turns it into political fodder. Just like George W. did with the topic.

Do you think that the US Government should never fund science?

And there is no way, absolutely no way, your father
would have received this treatement unless basic research
way back in the 60's-70's FUNDED COMPLETELY by the federal
government. The federal government sets the table in basic
research, the private companies spawn and feed from this.
This has been going on for a very long time in this country.
Sorry to disappoint with the news.

Next time anyone has a loved one that goes in for a bypass,
or actually needs any coronary work, please refuse it.
Refuse it because the basic research was FUNDED BY THE
FEDERAL GOVERNMENT on dogs. THis set the stage way back for
private companies to create fancy valves and methods we see today.

HUGE misconceptions about how basic Science works
in this country. FEDERAL GRANTS for basic research
is ABSOLUTELY necessary for this country to stay in
the lead in Science.

We are no longer in the lead in science. Many of our best scientific brains have been fleeing to other countries. Countries that don't confuse science and politics as one and the same.

We have lost some very good scientists to Europe
on basic research with atoms.

But overall, we are still way ahead of the game.
Way ahead. And we will continue to be as long
as our government plays a basic role.

Are you serious? A Science emphasis article? You think the stem cell issue is about science?

They quote politicians on both sides because this is a POLITICAL story! Why is this hard to understand? Unbelievable....

Im not saying that , are you saying the federal government should fund everything to ever be researched? I think you are , where the hell are we going to come up with the money for anything after we bailout the banks, the homowners, wall street and everything else.

What evidence is there that this is true? Our best brains have been fleeing to where? Wouldnt a great deal of top scientific minds be working for private industry or universities?

Oh so now you are trying to say there hasnt been any basic research without government funding , so how the hell have they managed to research what they already have in embryonics without the goverment ???? Somehow they have have managed to do so .
Your news doesnt disappoint me but your condencending tone does ...Im thankful my father gets to live about another 7 years before the Myloma returns and kills him , You f u cking assho le.

We have "lost" some very good Physics people to Europe.
They are still US citizens, but they work for the Europeans.
The large Hadron collider lured them away.

You dont need to be an expert in science to know that far more foreigners come here to study and work than our citizens leave.

Absolutely true which is why we need to keep funding basic research.
We have done a fantastic job of drawing the best and the brightest
here. But we did (hopefully temporarily) lose some very good people.

If you dont like the pull of the Hadron collider I cant help with that.

I will get back to you in another way.
Sorry about your father.

This is what makes Obama such an idiot!!!!! Abortion is wrong and someone needs to shine some light on this. People try saying abortion is an alright practice because it's really not a person yet?? Are you f'ing kidding me! If you've heard of partial birth abortion you know how wrong it is. The baby is jacked up with drugs to force the women into early labor and the baby is born without a chance, and sometimes even lives as long as 45 minutes where a nurse will hold the baby and give it what they call "comfort care" before it dies.

If I remember there was once a day when a black man was not considered to be a person and was killed and tortured for this, until someone finally shed some light saying that they are people just like us.

Jews were once considered not to be a person and they were tortured and murdered until finally someone shed some light that they are just like us and they were finally treated fairly.

It's time that someone sheds some light on abortion and an end is put to it. If this practice is considered acceptable than I guess I am not all that proud to be an American.

Irish,

Stem cell research is NOT abortion!

Would you rather have the embryo's thrown in the trash, or used to help find a cure for cancer?

This issue is not at all the same as abortion.

Well when it came to voting it was put together as one and it makes me sick that some people would actually vote for this and that our "leader" would support it!!

Timmy is starting to look rational and well informed, that's pretty scary.

of course it was put that way-some folks think sperm in a sock is murder-let alone an embryo in a freezer being used for research instead of just being disposed of. apparently folks think there will be a sudden onslaught of mass embryonic development followed by mass murder. i guess i better keep an eye out, crazies hiding in bushes with needles, waiting to leap out and harvest whatever eggs i have left...

Drugs is freakin Pol Pot then

lol

I rest my case.

Yes, I knew that. That's why I asked what your opinion is.

Do you think the government should fund any science at all? Yes, no, some?

Huh? No, I asked you if you thought the government should fund any science at all.

But as you segued there, no, I don't think the federal government should fund everything ever to be researched.

You think I am ... ? I wasn't talking about all of the above.

I was just asking you if you thought the government should fund any science at all.

Uh, the fact that people have indeed left the US and gone to other countries that allow more extensive stem cell research ??

Yes, some have left Universities and gone private in the US.