Mott-Zayat appear officially done
 

Recent speculation had the prominent owner-trainer pair splitting, but were belied by some Zayat horses continuing to be saddled by Mott. However, as of yesterday, it now appears that the pair are officially out-of-business together..

as long as he doesn't give them to Romans.

I wonder how this is playing on Facebook. Are people choosing sides?

Zayats crew is boarderline embarrassing. The way the horses are bought, spotted, campaigned, its a complete joke. Youd be hardpressed to find a group that has more highdollar busts than Zayat

Mott refuses to dope for Zayat, so he gets canned.

Let me guess......you got this information from Facebook?

Maybe they don't pay as much or have as many horses but the Klavarich crew probably is right up there for incompetence when it comes to picking horses. Someone pays 1/20th what they pay for horses would probably get comparable results.

No doubt about it Klavarich is in the same breath.

Agree... been saying this for a while.


Klaravich has had some success at least along the way. What has Zayat done? His best horse is a turf miler that requires a perfect trip to even be competitive. His 2nd best horse is a sprinter that folds under pressure. The rest of horses just plain suck for the money he spends.

They are both very brutal. They deserve what they get, which isnt much

ha ha ha ha ha....Andy, one of your best one's yet.

Simple, yet hilarious.

Seth Klarman's greatest success, dollar for dollar, came when Gary Sciacca trained his horses.

Klaravich sure waited for the absolute peak time to jump on the T. Pletcher bandwagon.

I remember he had Subordination with Sciacca, he was a pretty low purchase price, right?

Zayat Stables certainly places their horses aggressively.

andy - what about west point , i always felt that they were aggressive as well

High Finance was never the same after the Belmont and Lear's Princess probably should not have run in the BC

as you know , i do know an owner , and he tells me he has no say in what races the horses go to , it's pretty much up to mgmt

I think they paid $50,000 or maybe $70,000...

SUBORDINATION

21 Starts: 11-3-1 ($1,221,068)

At 3: Won Crown Royal Hollywood Derby (G1), Jamaica H. (G2), Hill Prince S. (G3)

At 4: Won Eddie Read H. (G1), Brooklyn H. (G2), Belmont Breeders' Cup H. (G2), Fort Marcy H. (G3), Canadian Turf H. (G3)


They also did well with Currency Arbitrage. And others...

Of course it's up to management.

I don't speak for West Point but if you have any questions I suggest you contact Terry Finley.

I disagree. Z Humor has been very well-spotted and managed this year IMO.

Lear's Princess beat Rags to Riches in the Gazelle so she did "figure" in the BC as long as she could handle the mud. High Finance was spotted a bit agressively, IMO. I don't know of any partnership that allows shareholders to decide on placement.


Zayat has had some nice prospects fizzle. How'd that Maimonides work out? Z Fortune should have stayed in NY (or returned after not lighting things up in the Derby preps.) He was a NY bred who could have been useful. I like Premium Wine but he never quite seems to get there. Was (is) J Be K theirs? He's a nice sprinter, a useful type but not exactly championship caliber.

They spent alot of money for alot of horses. They'd have been better off with more focus and less of a wide net approach.

Where is Z Fortune by the way? He was useful and could have done some damage within those NY bred stakes races, and Grade 2/3 races....

I laughed...

He was last seen running 7th in the Iowa Derby, then 8th in the West Virginia Derby. Hopefully he's getting a freshening.

Why was Lear's Princess retired?

She was sold @ auction for $2.7MM earlier in the month...

The Satish and DWL Show certainly burned some serious money.

They also had a filly named Illiquidity who Gary bought for $30k and they sold for mid six figures.

I LOVED that mare!!!!!! used to hotwalk her everymorning in Toga that high school summer off... she was my favorite.. very laid back to walk... just dont try walk behind her in the stall or she'll kick the crap out of ya!

Have a pic of her in the winner's circle at the SPAAAA!


Edit- and a gelding or colt Gary had at the time... by Affirmed... the horse's name was Antitrust... Guess where I got my handle name from!!

Did Gary train for free?

Umm, Violette doesn't train for free either and he hasn't had anything close to Subordination for the money.

IMO, they are all pikers compared to Ward/Oxley who wrote the book on how to win a "one other than" with an $800k purchase.:zz:

Not to take a side in the argument, as I don't have one, but what about Read the Footnotes?

You could probably call it a wash between "Footnotes" and Subordination, but I think Klarman had a lot better, for a lack of a better phrase, second tier horses like Currency Arbitrage, Antitrust and Illiquidity with Sciaccca for a lot less money than he has spent with Violette.

Read the Footnotes and Sharp Humor were two of the better NYB's that could have been special if they didn't get hurt. I liked them both quite a bit.

reports of the demise may have been exaggerated...

6th Race. (C4) Approx Post 2:48PM MAIDEN
Purse $44,000 (Up to $8,360 NYSBFOA) One Mile
For Maidens, Two Years Old.

E07/23

E07/23

E07/23

R11/01

E07/23

R10/19

R10/04

E07/23

R10/19

R10/16

E07/23

R10/16

R11/01 13 Bull Toccet(L) Dk B/ Br.c.2 120 Coa, E Fein, E Tagg, Barclay