Prop 8 Sucks
 

I live in CA. We always vote a democratic president, yet we voted for this discriminatory nonsense? Who cares if gays want to get married? It doesn't affect anyone!

And the thing about kids learning about gay marriage...OF COURSE they would learn about it. Just as they learn about when women got the right to vote, when blacks became free from slavery, etc. etc. I'd be disappointed if this wasn't in their history books.

No one is forcing you to become gay. Just because gays get married doesn't mean you and your children suddenly become gay as well. Prop 8 is disgusting in all areas!

Yes. Ironically though, it was the rise in black voters that pushed it through.

Mormons put the cash up for this prop 8. Checks came flying in to Cali from Utah. It's public(the address of people donating.) Like every 2nd or 3rd name is Utah. It's one thing for our own state's bigots to be doing it, but I don't like people from Utah getting involved in the business of another state. So, that church (or cult) deserves all this backlash.

Anybody really believe Melissa Ethridge's claim that she isn't gunna pay her taxes now? Don't know why they're freaking out, they have been discriminated against all their life. Ain't like they have a new challenge or something.

taxation without representation. seems we've had something big come out of that in the past.

in an ironic twist, gays now back banning same sect marriage. say children born of such unions have a higher chance of being mormonsexual.

:tro: Amen brother.

I can not see how ONE black person could vote to not have equal rights... they of all people should understand.

Its sick and they should be ashamed. Anyone who voted Yes for any of these Props (in az, ca and fl) should be very ashamed of themselves.

I think they vote for the Democrats because of economics. But in all other issues like this, they seem conservative.

I'm shocked, SHOCKED that black people don't like gays. Who woulda thunk it?

What's really sad is that no other race (white, hispanic or asian) could do better than a 50/50 split to make up for the predictably homophobic black vote.

it blows that no one has bitten on the easy jokes about the thread title.

I hear people saying that they are voting dem for the economy and I just don't see it. How is taking my money and spending it on stuff I would never support good for the economy?

Most pols run conservative and govern as liberals

Divorce lawyers are extremely bummed that Prop 8 was voted down but don't worry the gov & courts will ram it down everyone's throat


:rolleyes:

bad choice fo words

That meant that Blacks traditionally vote for Dems, because Dems care more about the poor than the Reps. One look at the Republican Convention Audience, and they can see exactly who that party favors.

Doesn't mean they weren't invited

Why do you hate our soldiers?

Seneca Falls was in 1849, and the Nineteenth Amendment wasn't until 1920. Equality takes a while. Was is Dr. King who said the arc of history is long, but it bends towards justice?

This is definitely a step back, which stinks. And I wish the gov't would take away the Mormon church's tax exempt status for this, as it sure seems that they were involving themselves in politics in ways that violate that status. Not to mention the gov't could use the tax money. ;)

Antitrust, I'm with you in that it makes no sense to me- discrimination is discrimination, but, unfortunately, a lot of people don't see it that way. A lot of African-Americans are very religious, and the American Christian faith is not particularly open to homosexuality.

Those of you with newly-minted Democrat representatives (or Republican ones who are social liberals), it would be worth writing them and asking them to repeal the Defense of Marriage Act. It was a bad law; one of the worst days work Clinton ever was did signing it, and it needs to go. Time for two more steps forward.

Interesting article from fivethirtyeight.com dispelling the idea that Prop 8 is the fault of minority voters:

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/...p-8-myths.html

Fivethirtyeight was frighteningly accurate in its predictions about the election. There was an article in New York Magazine about the founder- he started as a baseball stat compiler.

:tro: Well... Connecticut decided to do the morally right thing today! :tro:

Hurray for one "C" state doing what's right! East Coast represents!

so...if the majority voted to get rid of the rights to a free press, would that be ok? to stifle free speech, expression?

once again, majority does NOT rule. the constitution is supposed to rule,and all laws that are passed must stand that test. so, does a law that treats some citizens as less equal than others belong in the land of the free? what happened to all being created equal? life, liberty, etc, etc.

Zig if you were not married and were gay I'd be taking you to Connecticut right now!!

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Darn straight, Danzig. It took a court decision to make it legal for interracial couples to marry- if that one had been left to the voters, I suspect some states would STILL have laws on the books against it.

Or as the US State info site puts it on the "What is Democracy" page under "Majority Rule and Minority Rights":

"The rights of minorities do not depend upon the goodwill of the majority and cannot be eliminated by majority vote. The rights of minorities are protected because democratic laws and institutions protect the rights of all citizens."

http://usinfo.state.gov/products/pub...em/whatdm2.htm

And yeah, certainly it's unfair to blame any group of voters. That said, a lot of incendiary things have been tossed at racial minority voters in the blogosphere since last Tuesday and I thought it was a worthwhile piece on 538- that a lot of what is being said is statistically wrong. Most interesting was the difference in percentages the last time it was on the CA ballot compared with this time. Prop 8 will stand for 4 years at the most. Maybe only 2.

lol

You are right that its unfair to blame any group of voters.

But I just dont understand how a group of people who have fought for equality and achieved it - how they can vote 70-30 in favor of a prop that takes away equality from a different group of people.

Was talking about this with a very religious black woman I work with - and she doesnt know I'm gay.. & she even said regardless of her personal or religious beliefs - that the government shouldnt be able to take rights away from people - and that people shouldnt be able to vote to take rights away from others. I was surprised to hear this from her - as shes very traditional and morally strict... but I was happy to hear it!!

If a proposition to reinstate slavery existed, there would be plenty of votes for it.

exactly... Prop 8 & the ones in FL, AZ, an AR were so wrong in so many ways... and they all passed.

What does that say about our country?

I know our neighbors to the north & allies in Europe/Australia/New Zealand etc. laugh at the US about this issue... says it sets us back from the countries that have passed civil unions/gay marriage/equality for all.

Did you vote for Congressman Murtha?

and discriminating against gays serves everyone well?

please explain how supressing peoples rights because you dont agree with their lifestyle is not discrimination?

I actually wouldn't care. I think the line gets drawn in any case where it isn't marriage between two consenting adults. So no bestiality and no underage marriage. Other than that, who really cares?