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Rudeboyelvis 10-15-2008 11:26 AM

Poor Boston, just can't get a break
 
The national media seems to all be in alignment with the notion (Harold Reynolds excluded) that if it weren't for the injuries to Beckett and Lowell, the loss of Manny and the injuries to Ortiz earlier in the year, this wouldn't be a contest. the only reason the Rays are dominating this team is because they are simply "exploiting a team ripe for the taking".

The same media that was giddy over the aquistion of Jason Bay, and how Manny would not be missed.

RE: Tom Verducci in Today's SI.com, another in the long line of the Boston apologists:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...s/?eref=sircrc

>>>>1. The Rays have embarrassed the Red Sox by pounding their starting pitchers in Games 2, 3 and 4. Boston starters gave the team a total of only 12 2/3 innings in those three games while getting hammered for 18 runs and 28 baserunners. Ouch. But let's review whom the Sox sent to the mound in those games:

Game 2: Josh Beckett. Tore his oblique muscle in his final start of the regular season. Has been flipping the ball up to the plate with no velocity or finish on his pitches ever since. Highly hittable.

Game 3: Jon Lester. The 24-year-old lefthander now has thrown a whopping 76 1/3 more innings this season than last. It's stunning that a forward-thinking organization like Boston would extend a young pitcher like that -- Lester certainly will be on my 2009 Year-After Effect watch list to have a major regression next year -- but what were they to do? Lester was pitching great and looked strong and the rest of the rotation wasn't exactly sucking up innings to allow them to shut down Lester at any point. There were no signs that Lester was throwing with diminished stuff, but he seemed to hit the wall suddenly and hard in Game 3.

Game 4: Tim Wakefield. The guy had not thrown a pitch in 16 days. He is 42 years old. Ever since he threw a pitch to Aaron Boone in Game 7 of the 2003 ALCS, Wakefield is 1-4 with a 10.27 ERA in eight postseason games.

Bottom line: Tampa Bay exploited a Boston staff that was ripe for the taking. But by now it also should be obvious that the Rays are the better team.<<<<


LOL. I would hope it is obvious Tom, too bad he feels he needs a half of a page of excuses to qualify this remark.

What gets lost in the mix is the fact That Ortiz, Rameriez, and Lowell accounted for 1 Run during the 7 game sweep of the Red Sox at the Trop between the 2 series' in Apr and Jun. One Run.

Beckett, in 5 HEALTHY starts against the Rays this year went 2-1 (2 no decisions) ERA 4.08 - hardly a world beater.

Lester, who has benefitted from never seeing the pitchers mound of the Trop this year, has a bit more respectable record - again all at Fenway -
3-0 ERA 3.56. Appreciable, but hardly shutdown stats

Wakefield is a mess and the Rays have owned him all year, so the fact that he got rocked early should suprise no one.

Funny how no one was complaining when Longoria and Crawford missed most of the post All Star Break push to the AL East pennant, rather they stood at the ready, shovel in hand, to throw dirt over their chances.

Simply put - The Rays top to bottom - are a better, more complete team. The additions/subtractions to the Red Sox line up would have no effect on the outcome of the series, if the 2008 stats have anything to say about it.

Suck it up Boston, you're not facing the Indians this year - The Rays are better, and they are proving it.

Coach Pants 10-15-2008 11:33 AM

Damn it. Now they'll come back and win. Couldn't you contain yourself for another 36 hours?

Scav 10-15-2008 11:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coach Pants
Damn it. Now they'll come back and win. Couldn't you contain yourself for another 36 hours?

Exactly...Rude doesn't understand the mush power and the potential disaster that he just created

Rudeboyelvis 10-15-2008 11:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scav
Exactly...Rude doesn't understand the mush power and the potential disaster that he just created

Destiny can not be mushed, Scav. Plus I've got a line on possible tix for Games 6&7 here, :$: :$: :$:

so it wouldn't be the end of the world if Boston manages to eke one out tomorrow (doubtful)

Rudeboyelvis 10-15-2008 12:11 PM

Thursday night's game
 
Actually looks like a throw away game to get Shields at home for a possible game 6:

>>>BOSTON -- The Tampa Bay Rays are making a pitching change for Game 5 of the American League Championship Series, turning to Scott Kazmir to start Thursday's game instead of James Shields<<<

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?...=.jsp&c_id=mlb

SCUDSBROTHER 10-15-2008 12:18 PM

What are the odds now that are being given if ya play the sox to comeback?

ateamstupid 10-15-2008 01:09 PM

This is exactly why I can't stand the Sawx. Somehow they manage to get all of the praise and none of the scrutiny.

Bigsmc 10-15-2008 01:10 PM

:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

Sweet mother of God, mods, please delete this thread ASAP!

Mortimer 10-15-2008 01:17 PM

I just hope the Phillies win it all.

Charlie gets ripped all the time yet here they are again....I wish he were back in Cleveland ,but numbnuts drove him out for Wedgie.

Scav 10-15-2008 01:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis
Destiny can not be mushed, Scav. Plus I've got a line on possible tix for Games 6&7 here, :$: :$: :$:

so it wouldn't be the end of the world if Boston manages to eke one out tomorrow (doubtful)

Bigs, you see this, his possible tickets are more important then team success. I can't believe I am seeing this. You told me he was a legit fan....

Rudeboyelvis 10-15-2008 01:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scav
Bigs, you see this, his possible tickets are more important then team success. I can't believe I am seeing this. You told me he was a legit fan....

Relax. This isn't Chicago.

Bigsmc 10-15-2008 01:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scav
Bigs, you see this, his possible tickets are more important then team success. I can't believe I am seeing this. You told me he was a legit fan....

Apparently oblivious to the power of the mush.....

Scav 10-15-2008 01:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis
Relax. This isn't Chicago.

OMG, you are so screwed...I do Tampa the favor and bet $1 on Boston, and you just reversed the mush with out and out guarantees and/or thinking of yourself (OH yippee, I get to see a Game 6 or Game 7!!!) instead of getting your team home

dalakhani 10-15-2008 01:52 PM

Are the Sox and pats being the whitest teams in their respective sports coincidence?

Rudeboyelvis 10-15-2008 01:52 PM

Before this gets entirely out of hand...

For the record, I never said nor predicted that the Rays would win, only that they are a better team and most of the season stats bear that out.

So the mush factor is not even in play. Yet. Don't tempt me. :D

Scav 10-15-2008 01:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis
Before this gets entirely out of hand...

For the record, I never said nor predicted that the Rays would win, only that they are a better team and most of the season stats bear that out.

So the mush factor is not even in play. Yet. Don't tempt me. :D

OMG, BIGS, STOP HIM!!!

dalakhani 10-15-2008 02:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis
Before this gets entirely out of hand...

For the record, I never said nor predicted that the Rays would win, only that they are a better team and most of the season stats bear that out.

So the mush factor is not even in play. Yet. Don't tempt me. :D


Forget that Elvis... go with it.

Say it after me:

The Rays will WIN THIS SERIES

Bigsmc 10-15-2008 02:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dalakhani
Forget that Elvis... go with it.

Say it after me:

The Rays will WIN THIS SERIES

See "Pillow III" thread for Dala's mushing exploits...

Scav's, I can't stop a dude that doesn't even think he is doing anything wrong. He's a runaway train.

declansharbor 10-15-2008 02:44 PM

Could this be the fire Boston was looking for??

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/playof...ory?id=3645258

dalakhani 10-15-2008 02:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bigsmc
See "Pillow III" thread for Dala's mushing exploits...

Scav's, I can't stop a dude that doesn't even think he is doing anything wrong. He's a runaway train.

Yeah look very closely at my exploits over there and come back and tell me what you see. A mush is when you call a winner and it loses if im not mistaken.

Scav 10-15-2008 02:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dalakhani
Yeah look very closely at my exploits over there and come back and tell me what you see. A mush is when you call a winner and it loses if im not mistaken.

But you mushed PILLOW by going against him, ma'am

Bigsmc 10-15-2008 02:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dalakhani
Yeah look very closely at my exploits over there and come back and tell me what you see. A mush is when you call a winner and it loses if im not mistaken.

I was joking about Pillow's recent losses when you went against him. Mushing Pillow, not yourself.

Mortimer 10-15-2008 02:54 PM

She does have a point there.


Of course you can't quite follow that if you aren't sharing some history with winners.

Scav 10-15-2008 02:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mortimer
She does have a point there.


Of course you can't quite follow that if you aren't sharing some history with winners.

Sir, stop trying to 'get some' and side with fellow MEN!!! Bros before HOES!!

dalakhani 10-15-2008 02:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mortimer
She does have a point there.


Of course you can't quite follow that if you aren't sharing some history with winners.


Mortimer...a gentleman and a scholar!

Payson Dave 10-15-2008 02:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dalakhani
Yeah look very closely at my exploits over there and come back and tell me what you see. A mush is when you call a winner and it loses if im not mistaken.



you are not mistaken......


















not in this instance anyhoo...:p

Mortimer 10-15-2008 02:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scav
Sir, stop trying to 'get some' and side with fellow MEN!!! Bros before HOES!!


....uh-- no.....

Mortimer 10-15-2008 02:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dalakhani
Mortimer...a gentleman and a scholar!

As well as philanthropist and noted author......and 2 time National AAU Welterweight Champion.




:{>: :{>: :{>: :{>:

Payson Dave 10-15-2008 03:00 PM

^^^^ still looking for effective pud growth fluid

Mortimer 10-15-2008 03:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Payson Dave
^^^^ still looking for effective pud growth fluid

^^^^ Was SUPPOSED to be a stranger!

Payson Dave 10-15-2008 03:06 PM

doing what I was supposed to do just never was a top priority o' mine

Mortimer 10-15-2008 03:07 PM

Listen you Bolshevik frog......






....do you mind?

Payson Dave 10-15-2008 03:08 PM

am I supposed to mind?



and there ain't no stinkin French blood in these veins

Mortimer 10-15-2008 03:11 PM

I will ignore the stranger.





The Tampa baseball mens will vaporize Boston one more time---and that's that.

viscount26 10-15-2008 03:14 PM

[quote=Mortimer]Listen you Bolshevik frog......


^^^^
Commie Frog

Payson Dave 10-15-2008 03:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mortimer





The Tampa baseball mens will vaporize Boston one more time---and that's that.



^^^^ stole that selection from Coach....

Mortimer 10-15-2008 03:16 PM

Teeeew mothah fucl<ahs.

Mortimer 10-15-2008 03:19 PM

I await postage from the next bourgeois swine.

Payson Dave 10-15-2008 03:20 PM

won't speak for Vis.....but yes....yes I have....however I did ask the milf to keep it quiet...

Mortimer 10-15-2008 03:32 PM

(... he's dying on that last one...HA!!....let him....)


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