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Kasept 10-02-2008 01:24 PM

10/4 (BEL): Jamaica (Gr. II); Frizette & Champagne (Gr. I's)
 
6th (3:39) Jamaica H. (G2)

1 1/8 Miles (Inner turf) | Open | 3 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $250,000

1 Slambino Hill C 114 L
2 Wesley Prado E S 117 L
3 Thou Swell Samyn J L 115 Blk-On L
4 Gio Ponti Garcia Alan 119 L
5 Court Vision Velazquez J R 117 L
6 Ready's Echo Coa E M 114 L
7 Roman Tiger Maragh R 115 L



8th (4:43) Frizette S. (G1)

1 Mile | Fillies | 2 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $400,000

1 Sky Diva Dominguez R A 120 L
2 Royal Ballade Coa E M 120 L
3 War Echo Hill C 120 L
4 Miss Ocean City Maragh R 120 L
5 Persistently Garcia Alan 120 L
6 Collegiate Prado E S 120 Blk-On L
7 Winning Brew Espinoza J L 120 Blk-On L
8 Coffee in Bed Castro E 120 L
9 Heavenly Vision Espinoza V 120 L
10 Gemswick Park Velazquez J R 120 L



9th (5:15) Champagne S. (G1)

1 Mile | Open | 2 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $400,000

1 Break Water Edison Migliore R 122 L
2 Cribnote Maragh R 122 Blk-On L
3 Vineyard Haven Prado E S 122 L
4 Hello Broadway Coa E M 122 L
5 Girolamo Garcia Alan 122 L
6 A. P. Cardinal Hill C 122 L
7 Ventana Espinoza V 122 L
8 Brave Victory Sanchez J 122 L
9 Gone Astray Dominguez R A 122 L
10 Munnings Velazquez J R 122 L

Indian Charlie 10-02-2008 03:20 PM

I had to reread the Fizzlette entries. First time through, I thought I read Sutra's name on there.

Weird.

blackthroatedwind 10-02-2008 07:16 PM

Other than Persistently, the Frizette is pretty weak, however the Champagne is a great race. The definitive 2YO race this year ( not run on turf or fake turf ).

Payson Dave 10-02-2008 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Other than Persistently, the Frizette is pretty weak, however the Champagne is a great race. The definitive 2YO race this year ( not run on turf or fake turf ).

The Champagne sould be a real nice race....there's five in there that I really like....

Blu is likely gonna need more than a little luck to get his filly's pic taken in the Frizette.... wishing him luck nonetheless

VOL JACK 10-02-2008 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Other than Persistently, the Frizette is pretty weak, however the Champagne is a great race. The definitive 2YO race this year ( not run on turf or fake turf ).

The Champagne will probaly turn out to be better than the BC Juvy.
I wish Charitable Man was running, would be a great race for sure then.

Gonna predict that Cribnote will be severly over bet.

hrfan 10-02-2008 11:57 PM

The Champagne is a race worth getting excited over, some real horses with real futures in here.

the_fat_man 10-03-2008 12:03 AM

Hope this means Gomez won't be getting on GP any longer (I wish). What a brutal ride last time out. Good horses don't deserve that ****.

hrfan 10-03-2008 12:14 AM

does anyone know why Wesley was 19 out of it in his last ?

hrfan 10-03-2008 12:23 AM

This card is actually better then last Saturday IMO

hrfan 10-03-2008 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Other than Persistently, the Frizette is pretty weak, however the Champagne is a great race. The definitive 2YO race this year ( not run on turf or fake turf ).

shes a nice filly, but the 1 and 10 will both make her earn this

lemoncrush 10-03-2008 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by hrfan
shes a nice filly, but the 1 and 10 will both make her earn this

There's plenty of speed in this race.
It actually looks like its going to set up perfectly for Persistently.

Betsy 10-03-2008 05:16 PM

Does anyone think War Echo has a shot? I guess it's a crapshoot with some of these fillies who have just come off their maiden breakers........

blackthroatedwind 10-03-2008 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
In the Jamaica, I know he's not as good as Gio Ponti, but what if Thou Swell is able to get loose early? Weaver has understandably cooled down, but he should be at least 25 or so to 1. Worth a few bucks for me.

I like Ventana in the Champagne. I know he sat a nice trip last out, but I was impressed with the way he kicked away. Break Water Edison is a little intersting to me as well, with a more patient ride.


I think people make a mistake of being overly concerned with loose speed in turf races.....especially on fair ground with give like we have at Belmont. Thou Swell is WAY out of his league tomorrow and won't have any real impact on the race. Take a look at today's 8th at Belmont and Baron Von Tap for a good example.

blackthroatedwind 10-03-2008 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
I don't disagree he's out of his league. I said as much in my post. But he's worth a few bucks to me at huge odds, especially considering I have no real opinion on anyone else.


Gio Ponti and Court Vision will most likely run one-two. Why waste your money fighting that?

Slambino will beat Thou Swell.

blackthroatedwind 10-03-2008 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss1985
I think you're reading into this a bit much. I'm going to bet maybe 5 bucks on the horse. Call it an action bet if you'd like. Geez...


I was just responding to the opinion you posted......I wasn't really thinking about how much you were betting.

10 pnt move up 10-03-2008 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Other than Persistently, the Frizette is pretty weak, however the Champagne is a great race. The definitive 2YO race this year ( not run on turf or fake turf ).

you think the voters will see it this way as well?

blackthroatedwind 10-03-2008 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up
you think the voters will see it this way as well?


I really don't care.

10 pnt move up 10-04-2008 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
I really don't care.

me neither, it just matters if I can make money on the race, whether its called the Champagne or 5th at Los Al.

But your response just echoes my intended point that the sport as its currently organized yields a giant "who cares".

blackthroatedwind 10-04-2008 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up
me neither, it just matters if I can make money on the race, whether its called the Champagne or 5th at Los Al.

But your response just echoes my intended point that the sport as its currently organized yields a giant "who cares".


Why, because the Eclipse Awards are relatively meaningless? So what. The game is funded by bettors. That is who and what I care most about. That, thankfully, has nothing to do with who wins Eclipse Awards.

10 pnt move up 10-04-2008 12:50 AM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Why, because the Eclipse Awards are relatively meaningless? So what. The game is funded by bettors. That is who and what I care most about. That, thankfully, has nothing to do with who wins Eclipse Awards.

true, maybe its me but it was alot more fun when the races seemed to me something a little bit more.

blackthroatedwind 10-04-2008 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up
true, maybe its me but it was alot more fun when the races seemed to me something a little bit more.


Pretty much all the races I follow mean something to me.

Hickory Hill Hoff 10-04-2008 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Pretty much all the races I follow mean something to me.

Me too, especially when I :$:

Hickory Hill Hoff 10-04-2008 09:36 AM

Jamaica - 4/7/6
Frizette - 5/6/10/2
Champagne - 5/10/2/1

Bobby Fischer 10-04-2008 12:56 PM

i worry about Cribnote breaking down. He has that left front and he tries hard every time.

Bobby Fischer 10-04-2008 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
I'm not following you (nothing new). Could you explain this one please?

His left front swings out wide like a tendon or something.

he's in my watch list as "big maiden win, bad left-front"

then I noticed he has ran back since and he blew the turn in that race, and still had the same action.

It is easy to see in the head on replays.

Betsy 10-04-2008 03:52 PM

Sky Diva Wins the Friztte easily!!

Very happy to see another graded SW for Sky Mesa who has really turned things around.

I was also very pleased by War Echo's effort. This half to Pyro chased sizzling fractions and hung tough until the late stages.

Persistently, as I thought, appears to be a filly who will always find one or two better than her

ateamstupid 10-04-2008 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Betsy
Sky Diva Wins the Friztte easily!!

Very happy to see another graded SW for Sky Mesa who has really turned things around.

I was also very pleased by War Echo's effort. This half to Pyro chased sizzling fractions and hung tough until the late stages.

Persistently, as I thought, appears to be a filly who will always find one or two better than her

Persistently is just too slow early for these one-turn races. She's got quite the nice turn of foot though.

Pedigree Ann 10-04-2008 04:36 PM

A lot of people apparently didn't believe their own eyes when Vineyard Haven ran so well to win at Saratoga. So they bet down horses he beat, and then he runs away from them again. Because they don't like his name? Or his connections? Or his looks? What?:confused:

Betsy 10-04-2008 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid
Persistently is just too slow early for these one-turn races. She's got quite the nice turn of foot though.

She does have a good turn of foot, but I don't know that she can sustain it. She's not truly explosive like Stardom Bound (who I pray can transfer her form to the dirt - I suspect she can, but you never know). I don't know - she's a very nice filly, but I kind of have my doubts

What did you think of War Echo? I thought she ran great, chasing fast fractions and not giving in. I know Gemswick still beat her for third, but isn't it considered harder to chase fast fractions than to set them while loose on the lead? I give Gemswick a lot of credit for holding her own, but I admit my eyes were on War Echo.

Betsy 10-04-2008 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Pedigree Ann
A lot of people apparently didn't believe their own eyes when Vineyard Haven ran so well to win at Saratoga. So they bet down horses he beat, and then he runs away from them again. Because they don't like his name? Or his connections? Or his looks? What?:confused:

VH ran great, but it's too bad none of the other horses did any running......

ateamstupid 10-04-2008 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Pedigree Ann
A lot of people apparently didn't believe their own eyes when Vineyard Haven ran so well to win at Saratoga. So they bet down horses he beat, and then he runs away from them again. Because they don't like his name? Or his connections? Or his looks? What?:confused:

What are you talking about? He was the second choice.

Besides, in the Hopeful, he almost got run down by a horse that took a right turn at the top of the stretch and a speed horse that had a miserable break, and his time wasn't fast.. You really can't see why some people would be turned off?

He ran very well today.


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