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Kasept 09-16-2008 09:06 AM

9/27: JCGC-Bowl-Hirsch Invites show promise..
 
Invites out for the huge JCGC Day card September which also includes the Beldame and Vosburgh.. Just another run-of-the-mill 5 Gr. I race cards..


JOCKEY CLUB GOLD CUP INVITATIONAL
Grade 1, $750,000, 3 and up, mile and a quarter

(BOLD = probable)

A.P. Arrow
Angliana
Commentator
Curlin
Da’ Tara
Evening Attire
Frost Giant
Lewis Michael
Mambo in Seattle
Merchant Marine
Ravel
Spirit One (FR)
Timber Reserve
Wanderin Boy


FLOWER BOWL INVITATIONAL
Grade 1, $600,000, fillies and mares, 3 and up, mile and a quarter, inner turf

Communique
Dynaforce
Forever Together
Hostess
Icon Project
J’Ray
Jade Queen
Lady Digby
Mauralakana (FR)
Palmilla
Rosinka (IRE)
Rutherienne
Toque de Queda (GB)
Wait a While


JOE HIRSCH TURF CLASSIC INVITATIONAL
Grade 1, $600,000, 3 and up, mile and a half, Widener turf

Dancing Forever
Drum Major
Grand Couturier (GB)
Interpatation
Operation Red Dawn
Presious Passion
Proudinsky (GER)
Red Giant
Red Rocks (GB)
Shakis (GB)
Sixties Icon (GB)
Spirit One (FR)
Strike a Deal
Summer Patriot

Norfolk 09-16-2008 09:48 AM

JOCKEY CLUB GOLD CUP INVITATIONAL
Grade 1, $750,000, 3 and up, mile and a quarter

(BOLD = probable) My Guess

A.P. Arrow
Angliana
Commentator
Curlin
Da’ Tara
Evening Attire
Frost Giant
Lewis Michael
Mambo in Seattle??
Merchant Marine
Ravel
Spirit One (FR)
Timber Reserve
Wanderin Boy

Kasept 09-16-2008 09:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Norfolk
JOCKEY CLUB GOLD CUP INVITATIONAL
Grade 1, $750,000, 3 and up, mile and a quarter

(BOLD = probable) My Guess

Curlin
Evening Attire
Frost Giant
Mambo in Seattle??
Merchant Marine
Ravel
Spirit One (FR)
Timber Reserve
Wanderin Boy

Joe.. Thx for the thoughts...

"Attire" leaning towards Monmouth Saturday.. or Suffolk?

I know you're getting pressure to go Mass Cap, but as Pat says, he's never really run well there... And the 9f is an issue too, no? Good field shaping up for that Point Given if you go with Phil the Power and Delosvientios.

Norfolk 09-16-2008 10:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kasept
Joe.. Thx for the thoughts...

"Attire" leaning towards Monmouth Saturday.. or Suffolk?

I know you're getting pressure to go Mass Cap, but as Pat says, he's never really run well there... And the 9f is an issue too, no? Good field shaping up for that Point Given if you go with Phil the Power and Delosvientios.

Delosvientios is the problem. He has beat Attire twice as the only speed in the race. If he gets out by himself on a speed favoring track like Monmouth, Attire may have a hard time running him down.
I would rather take a shot at the MassCap, third pays more than a win at Mommouth but Pat and I disagree on this one.

XIIPointStables 09-16-2008 11:34 AM

As a fan who will be there, I hope he goes to Suffolk!

lemoncrush 09-16-2008 12:19 PM

and I believe Santa Anita has 6 grade 1 races on the same day.

It will be a welcome change from the usual post-Saratoga and Del Mar lull during September.

ateamstupid 09-16-2008 04:20 PM

I'm amped for JCGC day. Likely to be my last day at the track this year, and should be a great day of racing. Hope the weather cooperates.

RolloTomasi 09-16-2008 04:44 PM

Has Ravel been running this summer?

blackthroatedwind 09-16-2008 04:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi
Has Ravel been running this summer?


One poor effort at Saratoga in the race Loose Leaf beat Temporary Saint.

the_fat_man 09-16-2008 04:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ateamstupid
I'm amped for JCGC day. Likely to be my last day at the track this year, and should be a great day of racing. Hope the weather cooperates.

I might make it out there as well. Who's up for a bike ride from Brooklyn?

RolloTomasi 09-16-2008 05:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
One poor effort at Saratoga in the race Loose Leaf beat Temporary Saint.

Sounds like he prepped perfectly for the Brooklyn (or is that back to 1 1/2 miles to the sudden resurgence of stamina in the breed?).

Thanks.

RolloTomasi 09-16-2008 05:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the_fat_man
I might make it out there as well. Who's up for a bike ride from Brooklyn?

Only if I can draft in behind some woman marathoners...

blackthroatedwind 09-16-2008 05:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi
Sounds like he prepped perfectly for the Brooklyn (or is that back to 1 1/2 miles to the sudden resurgence of stamina in the breed?).

Thanks.


They ran the Brooklyn, at 1 1/2 miles, on Belmont Day.

ateamstupid 09-16-2008 05:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the_fat_man
I might make it out there as well. Who's up for a bike ride from Brooklyn?

To finally meet TFM, I'd unicycle out to Belmont from here. :cool:

RolloTomasi 09-16-2008 05:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
They ran the Brooklyn, at 1 1/2 miles, on Belmont Day.

Oh.

I wonder how NYRA's going to fill that hole in the Fall stakes schedule now.

No race for older horses 8 days prior to the Jockey Club Gold Cup?

Norfolk 09-16-2008 09:18 PM

From DRF
Spirit One and Casino Drive are the latest foreigners headed to Santa Anita for America's richest prize, the $5 million Breeders' Cup Classic.

The NYRA racing office was sure Spirit One has going to the JCGC. I guess they were wrong:)

hockey2315 09-16-2008 09:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Norfolk
From DRF
Spirit One and Casino Drive are the latest foreigners headed to Santa Anita for America's richest prize, the $5 million Breeders' Cup Classic.

The NYRA racing office was sure Spirit One has going to the JCGC. I guess they were wrong:)

You may be right, but why are those races mutually exclusive?

blackthroatedwind 09-16-2008 09:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hockey2315
You may be right, but why are those races mutually exclusive?


Joe assumes he's ducking Evening Attire.

Norfolk 09-16-2008 09:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hockey2315
You may be right, but why are those races mutually exclusive?

The rest of the quote
"Arlington Million winner Spirit One will use Santa Anita's Goodwood Stakes on Sept. 27 as a trial for his intended run in the Classic."

Norfolk 09-16-2008 09:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Joe assumes he's ducking Evening Attire.

Andy
I wish you were right
Pat wants to duck everyone and run in Monmouth on Sunday:mad:

hockey2315 09-16-2008 09:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Norfolk
The rest of the quote
"Arlington Million winner Spirit One will use Santa Anita's Goodwood Stakes on Sept. 27 as a trial for his intended run in the Classic."

Ok - thanks

blackthroatedwind 09-16-2008 10:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Norfolk
Andy
I wish you were right
Pat wants to duck everyone and run in Monmouth on Sunday:mad:


It really sucks when a trainer wants to act in the best interest of the horse.

Listen, if all you need is a table at Suffolk Saturday, just call my friend Sam Elliot.;)

Norfolk 09-16-2008 10:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
It really sucks when a trainer wants to act in the best interest of the horse.

Listen, if all you need is a table at Suffolk Saturday, just call my friend Sam Elliot.;)

Is it in the best interest in the horse to run on a speed favoring track against a horse that beat Attire twice at 12f as the only real speed in the race?

hrfan 09-17-2008 04:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kasept

JOE HIRSCH TURF CLASSIC INVITATIONAL
Grade 1, $600,000, 3 and up, mile and a half, Widener turf

Dancing Forever
Drum Major
Grand Couturier (GB)
Interpatation
Operation Red Dawn
Presious Passion
Proudinsky (GER)
Red Giant
Red Rocks (GB)
Shakis (GB)
Sixties Icon (GB)
Spirit One (FR)
Strike a Deal
Summer Patriot

RED GIANT

blackthroatedwind 09-17-2008 09:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Norfolk
Is it in the best interest in the horse to run on a speed favoring track against a horse that beat Attire twice at 12f as the only real speed in the race?


Is Monmouth necessarily speed favoring?

Who is in the Suffolk race besides Commentator?

Norfolk 09-17-2008 09:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Is Monmouth necessarily speed favoring?

Who is in the Suffolk race besides Commentator?

For Past Performances
http://grantracingstable.com/mass_cap_pps.pdf
Angliana
Cuba
Dr. Pleasure
Riversrunrylee
Volcanic Force

miraja2 09-17-2008 08:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hrfan
RED GIANT

Really? You like the Giant's Causeway in here?
I'm shocked.


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