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Kasept 09-03-2008 03:33 PM

9/6-7 (WO): Seaway; N. Dancer; WO Mile; Canadian
 
SATURDAY 6th (3:36) Seaway S. (G3)

7 Furlongs (All Weather Track) | Fillies and Mares | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $150,000

1 That Girl Is Mine Ramsammy E 115 L
2 My List Wilson E 121 L
3 Street Sounds Jones J 115 L
4 Marina Ballerina Stein J 117 L
5 Executive Flight McAleney J S 117 L
6 Lomaki Pizarro T 115 Blk-On L
7 Lucas Street Husbands P 115 L
8 Akronism Da Silva E R 119 L



SUNDAY 4th (2:46) Canadian S. (G2)

1 1/8 Miles (Turf) | Fillies and Mares | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $300,000

1 Social Queen Maragh R 119 L
2 J'ray Bravo J 119 L
3 Forever Together Leparoux J R 124 L
4 Stroke the Tiger Landry R C 113 L
5 Sealy Hill Husbands P 117 L
6 Quiet Jungle Ramsammy E 113 Blk-On L
7 Callwood Dancer (IRE) Da Silva E R 121 L
8 Ciao Graham J 113 L
9 Tell It as It Is Wilson E 115 L
10 The Niagara Queen McAleney J S 121 L
11 Danzon Gomez G K 117 L



SUNDAY 7th (4:25) Northern Dancer Turf S. Presented by Vtech S. (G1)

1 1/2 Miles (Turf) | Open | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $750,000

1 Cloudy's Knight Graham J 121 L
2 Quijano (GER) Starke A 124
3 Frost Giant Rodriguez R R 124 L
4 Champs Elysees (GB) Gomez G K 121 L
5 Better Talk Now Dominguez R A 121 L
6 Strike a Deal Maragh R 117 L
7 Spice Route (GB) McAleney J S 117 L
8 Marsh Side Smith M E 117 L
9 French Beret Da Silva E R 119 L
10 Seaside Retreat Husbands P 121 L



SUNDAY 9th (5:35) Woodbine Mile S. (G1)

1 Mile (Turf) | Open | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $1,000,000

1 Mulmur Da Silva E R 117 L
2 Rahy's Attorney Callaghan S 119 L
3 Just Rushing McAleney J S 121 L
4 Kip Deville Velasquez C 124 L
5 Wollemi Pine Wilson E 117 L
6 Ice Bear Sutherland C 117 L
7 Palladio Dos Ramos R A 117 L
8 Ventura Gomez G K 124 L

CSC 09-04-2008 08:20 AM

Woodbine Mile and Northern Dancer
 
The Woodbine Mile is on tap for this weekend featuring Kip Deville who looks like a lock from a beyer standpoint lays over this field, however Ventura may make him run a little. The supporting race The Northern Dancer looks like the more interesting race from a betting standpoint, Quijano, Better Talk Now, Cloudy's Knight and Champs Elysees are all slated to go.

RolloTomasi 09-04-2008 09:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CSC
The Woodbine Mile is on tap for this weekend featuring Kip Deville who looks like a lock from a beyer standpoint lays over this field, however Ventura may make him run a little. The supporting race The Northern Dancer looks like the more interesting race from a betting standpoint, Quijano, Better Talk Now, Cloudy's Knight and Champs Elysees are all slated to go.

Is Ventura all that is there to challenge Kip Deville? She seems a bit pea-hearted versus even her own gender. If Kip Deville is a lock and she's a standout 2nd choice, I wonder if it is worth it to seek out something else to fill the exacta.

And what's with Frankel and Champs Elysees? Considering the subsequent exploits of the top two home in the Big Cap (Heatseeker, Go Between), one of whom is retired, and this horse's efforts on the turf at low odds, when is he going to get another crack at the synthetics?

CSC 09-04-2008 10:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi
Is Ventura all that is there to challenge Kip Deville? She seems a bit pea-hearted versus even her own gender. If Kip Deville is a lock and she's a standout 2nd choice, I wonder if it is worth it to seek out something else to fill the exacta.

And what's with Frankel and Champs Elysees? Considering the subsequent exploits of the top two home in the Big Cap (Heatseeker, Go Between), one of whom is retired, and this horse's efforts on the turf at low odds, when is he going to get another crack at the synthetics?

It's Frankel, really if Kip Deville runs his race, I can't see anyone beating him. I wouldn't say he is a mortal lock, but he ran well to Shakesphere last yr in the same race, for fun I may look at Ventura. She's got decent numbers and Frankel has probably pointed for this race for some time.

CSC 09-04-2008 11:16 AM

BTW I'm sure Frankel is desperately trying to make a grade 1 winner out of Champs Elysees, improbable as it may sound, he did manage to make another former underachiever First Defence a grade 1 winner last week. If he can do it twice in 2 weeks with these 2, my hats off to him. They must be liking their oats in that barn right now...

Post Edit: Me bad The Northern Dancer is not a Gr.1 however the WO Mile is.

LARHAGE 09-04-2008 02:51 PM

Why does Ventura have to carry equal weight as Kip Deville?

Kasept 09-04-2008 02:59 PM

SUNDAY 4th (2:46) Canadian S. (G2)

1 1/8 Miles (Turf) | Fillies and Mares | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $300,000

1 Social Queen Maragh R 119 L
2 J'ray Bravo J 119 L
3 Forever Together Leparoux J R 124 L
4 Stroke the Tiger Landry R C 113 L
5 Sealy Hill Husbands P 117 L
6 Quiet Jungle Ramsammy E 113 Blk-On L
7 Callwood Dancer (IRE) Da Silva E R 121 L
8 Ciao Graham J 113 L
9 Tell It as It Is Wilson E 115 L
10 The Niagara Queen McAleney J S 121 L
11 Danzon Gomez G K 117 L



SUNDAY 7th (4:25) Northern Dancer Turf S. Presented by Vtech S. (G1)

1 1/2 Miles (Turf) | Open | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $750,000

1 Cloudy's Knight Graham J 121 L
2 Quijano (GER) Starke A 124
3 Frost Giant Rodriguez R R 124 L
4 Champs Elysees (GB) Gomez G K 121 L
5 Better Talk Now Dominguez R A 121 L
6 Strike a Deal Maragh R 117 L
7 Spice Route (GB) McAleney J S 117 L
8 Marsh Side Smith M E 117 L
9 French Beret Da Silva E R 119 L
10 Seaside Retreat Husbands P 121 L



SUNDAY 9th (5:35) Woodbine Mile S. (G1)

1 Mile (Turf) | Open | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $1,000,000

1 Mulmur Da Silva E R 117 L
2 Rahy's Attorney Callaghan S 119 L
3 Just Rushing McAleney J S 121 L
4 Kip Deville Velasquez C 124 L
5 Wollemi Pine Wilson E 117 L
6 Ice Bear Sutherland C 117 L
7 Palladio Dos Ramos R A 117 L
8 Ventura Gomez G K 124 L

CSC 09-04-2008 03:32 PM

Well I am really bad, The Northern Dancer was upgraded to Gr.1 status. Totally forgot. :o

CSC 09-04-2008 03:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LARHAGE
Why does Ventura have to carry equal weight as Kip Deville?

Conditions of the race, Ventura is a grade 1 winner so she is not allowed an allowance.

Three-Year-Olds, 119 lbs.; Older 124 lbs. Non-winners of a Gr. I race in
2008, allowed 3 lbs.; Of a Gr. II race in 2008 or a Gr. I race in 2007,
allowed 5 lbs.; Of a Gr. III race in 2008 or a Gr. II race in 2007, allowed 7
lbs.

Round Pen 09-05-2008 06:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LARHAGE
Why does Ventura have to carry equal weight as Kip Deville?

they are not carrying the same weight Kip 124 lbs and Ventura 121 Lbs
She gets 3 lbs for being a filly

Mike 09-06-2008 01:57 PM

The Seaway is up in 40 minutes at Woodbine. I think Lomaki has potential due to being lightly raced, will appreciate the cutback in distance, and has been pointing to this

There is a scratch in the field, I hope Lomaki will be at least 9-2

Immanuel Kant 09-07-2008 09:35 AM

FYI....been raining...light mist...all morning here

CSC 09-07-2008 09:54 AM

Canadian HDCP

1 - Callwood Dancer 12/1 ML

Probable Favorite – Forever Tango 2/1 ML

Northern Dancer

1 – Strike A Deal scratch

Alternate - Champs Elysees 8/1 ML

Probable Favorites – Quijano 2/1 ML Better Talk Now 5/2 ML

Woodbine Mile

1 – Ventura 4/1 ML

Favorite Kip Deville 6/5 ML

PSH 09-07-2008 11:04 AM

Northern Dancer
 
#10 Seaside Retreat 10-1 ML. Win and Place. Should be competitive here.

PSH

Mike 09-07-2008 01:09 PM

Niagra Queen to win, with a straight Forever Together-Niagra Queen exacta

Seaside Retreat in the 7th

Tri key Kip Deville over Ice Bea & Ventura

CSC 09-07-2008 03:51 PM

Champs Elysees finally becomes a Gr.1 winner, Quijano checks in for second in a tight finish.

hockey2315 09-07-2008 04:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CSC
Champs Elysees finally becomes a Gr.1 winner, Quijano checks in for second in a tight finish.

Got bet hard too :zz:

mbahadur 09-07-2008 04:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CSC
Champs Elysees finally becomes a Gr.1 winner, Quijano checks in for second in a tight finish.

Does that now make 6 Grade 1 winners produced by Hasili (the dam of Champs Elysees)? Gotta be a record.

Dansili, Banks Hill, Intercontinental, Cacique, Heat Haze, and now Champs Elysees.

CSC 09-07-2008 04:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hockey2315
Got bet hard too :zz:

Actually this was the second highest odds he has ever been in North America, I've been critical of this horse in the past and justly so, but I thought he would benefit from a wider more European type of turf course. I think he's better on these type of courses.

CSC 09-07-2008 04:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mbahadur
Does that now make 6 Grade 1 winners produced by Hasili (the dam of Champs Elysees)? Gotta be a record.

Dansili, Banks Hill, Intercontinental, Cacique, Heat Haze, and now Champs Elysees.

Apparently there's another one on it's way, a filly by Storm Cat, a 2007 foal by Hasili.

Speaking of Juddmonte, Kip Deville looks good in the post parade but Ventura looks like a million. I'd be surprised if she runs badly.

hockey2315 09-07-2008 04:54 PM

Kip finished off the board - anybody see what happened?

CSC 09-07-2008 05:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hockey2315
Kip finished off the board - anybody see what happened?

He looked like he was in good position on the backside, but when it came time to run he was empty. No visible excuse. Obviously he is a much better horse than what he showed today.

mbahadur 09-07-2008 05:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hockey2315
Kip finished off the board - anybody see what happened?

5th place at 1-2 odds. Got out of the gate quick and raced wide most of the way near the lead and had nothing left in the stretch run. I wonder if the horse was fit with the light racing schedule.

The winner also tracked the pace but had an inside path.

Ventura ran great to finish a length back in second.

philcski 09-07-2008 05:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hockey2315
Kip finished off the board - anybody see what happened?

Was rank down the backside, had nothing left for the drive. The winner wasn't a huge shocker as he looked the best of the locals but Kip running so poorly was.

CSC 09-08-2008 11:09 AM

I thought Dutrow's quote after the race was humorous, I'm paraphrasing but he said before we come up with an excuse we will take a look at him after the race.

blackthroatedwind 09-08-2008 11:32 AM

Obviously Kip Deville should have run better yesterday but let's not kid ourselves into thinking he was ever that good. He should have won yesterday because the field was weak....not because of his tremendous talent.

I can't help but laugh when I think back to the article about IEAH before the Belmont where it was said that Benny the Bull was worth $10 million and Kip Deville $20 million.

hoovesupsideyourhead 09-08-2008 11:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Obviously Kip Deville should have run better yesterday but let's not kid ourselves into thinking he was ever that good. He should have won yesterday because the field was weak....not because of his tremendous talent.

I can't help but laugh when I think back to the article about IEAH before the Belmont where it was said that Benny the Bull was worth $10 million and Kip Deville $20 million.

:tro: :rolleyes: post of the week

the_fat_man 09-08-2008 03:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Obviously Kip Deville should have run better yesterday but let's not kid ourselves into thinking he was ever that good. He should have won yesterday because the field was weak....not because of his tremendous talent.

I can't help but laugh when I think back to the article about IEAH before the Belmont where it was said that Benny the Bull was worth $10 million and Kip Deville $20 million.

I wish the headon replay of the race was available on Calracing.

It appears, from the pan shot, that KD is on the wrong lead on the backstretch. And he's clearly rank. Yet another horse that HERCUnelio struggled to restrain.

Of course, that KD has been the beneficiary of PERFECT TRIPS in a number of his previous races didn't escape even the least astute of trip handicappers. As usual, it sucks when you don't get the best trip in the race and you actually have to run.:rolleyes: Imagine that.

blackthroatedwind 09-08-2008 03:46 PM

He did look good enough to win even without his usual unbelievable trip but the truth is that he has never overcome even one iota of adversity.

VOL JACK 09-08-2008 10:14 PM

I guess that 3 races in a year plan, isnt working out.
Maybe there was a reason behind 'light' schedule. Sound horses dont need 3 months in between every start.;)

CSC 09-09-2008 09:20 AM

A contrast of extremes from last year's schedule, didn't Kip D race on 4 days rest in the Californian from the Hollywood Turf Derby. That was puzzling...


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