I never seen any trouble for Mambo In Seattle
 

I watch the replay full screen, several times focusing on Mambo only and seen nothing except going wide in last turn(no where else to go because he was next to last going down backstretch) I watch Colonel John and he reared at start , stumble out of gate, was pushed sideways entering stretch, if you watch mambo at this time was never offstrided like CJ and was even with him but could not pass. So i don't understand why some are saying "IF" Mambo would not have had a rough trip he would have won. Are they watching the same video of #9 ? IF CJ would not have stumble, pushed out, lost stride he would have won by five. What do you DT'ers think? A lot of cry-babying today.

well he certainly lost ground going wide..that has to count for something

I never "seen" any trouble for Mambo In Seattle :zz:

CJ broke a tad akwardly, but to say he "reared at start , stumble out of gate" is being waaayyy over dramatic, as well as saying he was "pushed sideways entering stretch"
He ran a great ground saving trip, and MiS was wide through both. That was the difference. To say he wins by 5 if he doesn't spot the field a half length at the break and brush the 1 in the final turn is a bit of an over exaggeration.

For what it's worth I used CJ and not MiS so I have no bias

Who exactly is cry-babying and why did they wait until today?

Edit: Oh, I see, you started another "I hate Tale of Ekati" thread. Splendid.

CJ stumble out of gate , so I disagree on tad akwardly, and was push out and gomez had to steady for a second, this is just my take and wanted to talk about some racing tonight it was boring and quiet. On ATR Steve was saying how Mambo might have won if jock did'nt go nine wide. I don't know what else he could have done he was next to last coming down backside and would not have had any room inside, so he took what he could get. That was the cry-babying i was talking about. Like i said this is just an opinion and i guess i wanted to debate.

Yes i did sorry about that, but why not discuss some pro-con issues. These make people think and you can tell who is a avid fan and likes to debate their opinions in a civilized manner. I'm sure I'll get some threats in my E-mail iJust delete them when they are from the forum. Let's start a Mambo Jambo versus CJ controversy like BB and Curlin

CJ stumble out of gate? What language is that?

LOL

PGbonics??

I wouldn't go making fun of SJD's linguistic skills. I ribbed him about being from Kentucky once and he sent me this totally nutty private message.

I think he's made great strides in his posting skills, so I'm going to attribute this thread to fatigue or illness, and hope he resumes his course of improving English skills.

Mambo is the only Real Racehorse coming out of the Travers.
Very serious BCC Contender IMO.

I thought he was sired by Kingmambo, not Giant's Causeway.

What does that have to do with anything ? They are both great sire's, but at this point Giant's Causeway has a long long way to go before catching Kingmambo.

Too funny, thanks for the early morning laugh.

"Nobody knows the trouble I've seen..."

Not sure who, if anyone, said Mambo had trouble in the race... The 'problem' he had was Albarado's inability to find a better route of egress than the 9 path off the turn..

As I admitted on ATR last night, I am an unabashed fan of Neil Howard and his horses. We've become friends, and he is perhaps the most gracious guy I've met yet in the game... And Mr. Farish is unquestionably one of the last true gentlemen in the sport. Losing last year with Grasshopper to Jim Tafel and a better horse in Street Sense was one thing... Mambo in Seattle was likely the better horse Saturday and I expect that to prove out by this time next year. And while I respect Eion Harty, it's hard to believe that anyone would root for WinStar (Casner, Walden, et al..) over an outfit like the Farish-Howard camp.

I understand your position , because you are so close to the owners, trainers and form some close friendships. As for me i bet and cheer for the horse i like regardless of the connections. I'm sure if i had friendships with some connections it would be different, as far as the cry-baby comment i do this all the time when i lose. I just wanted to start a thread for discussion, imean nothing personal in any of my posts, just type what i feel at the time. I value your opinion and respect your enthusiam, and enjoy your show immensely. so once once again my posts are in the spirit of debate.

I know i left the d off for past tense, i don't proof my typing i just send it. Bear with me i'll get better.

Did he get up for second because he went 9 wide or would he have not hit the board if he tried an inside trip? CJ even with his troubles won . Isnt that the way it is most of the time. A gutty winner and a game second, isnt the way we like it to be? Kinda like a horserace.

Captain Caveman speaks!

I axed myself the same question.

I thought Colonel had a great trip. Aside from being in a bit tight just past the 1/4 pole where he steadied slightly for one or, at most, two strides, he had a terrific inside trip close to what turned out to be bad speed. I'm not sure if CJ got hip-checked by the horse inside him or if he clipped heels with the horse to his rear. I tend to believe it was the latter, but it doesn't matter.

On the other hand Mambo was 4-3 wide the first turn and seemed to steady a bit at the 5/8 when in tight. Hard to say why but he certainly lost a spot or two within 5-6 strides. And while I don't normally give horses extra credit for spiining wide out of the stretch turn, he was very wide.

I thought that Mambo had the longer, tougher trip. By far.

Thx for axing.

Not sure what you're saying here as a response to what I wrote. In fact, it is indecipherable.

"Get up for 2nd?" That would imply that Mambo in Seattle arrived late on the scene passing horses near the finish to gain the placement behind a clear winner. In fact, he hooked up with the winner approaching midstretch and dueled to the wire to lose what was the closest photograph in the history of the Travers, and one that many thought a dead heat.

My point was empathy for Howard and what I believe was the better horse Saturday in Mambo in Seattle, and additionally that while Colonel John is an admirable horse having a nice year, the Casner/Walden WinStar team are not endearing subjects for fan adulation.

Have mambo in seattle's connections made any statements to you or in public about the possibility of the BC? I seem to remember last time the BC was in california, Farish/Howard had a little horse that they didnt want to ship out there.

I hope that they entertain it this time around. This horse sure looks like a good one.

Let me first say I am no fan of Albarado, but what could he have done differently, if he stays where he was, he wouldn't have hit the board with all the trouble that went on in front of him and this horses 'style' almost causes him to be wide a majority of the time, especially in large field races.

Personally I think Colonel John's 'trouble' has been exaggerated, it was more Gomez jerking the horse because he was going to be ****ed if he didn't get to that gap because Da Tara was backing up. I actually think CJ got a perfect trip

Mambo was by far the best horse on Saturday, but from his prior races, he wasn't the type of horse that blows by people anyways.

More importantly, how about Thoro-pattern having both horses at 42% to run a top, and them running 1-2....

Is the photo available anywhere online?

It's awful hard for me to say that a horse should have won or was the better horse when he had that long of a run to pass the winner and the winner was going as slow as he was (about 25.70 for the final quarter) and he STILL didn't.

I spoke with Howard Sunday to simply congratulate him on another great effort in the meet's signature event and express my feelings about the race to him. As always, he was exceptionally gracious about the outcome and effusive in praise for Harty and Colonel John. He and Mr. Farish take it a race at a time based on where their horses are between starts. Mambo in Seattle's 2 Keeneland starts were just fair, but both were early in his development. Howard running him there as a 2yo last fall and 3yo this spring are indications that he thinks Mambo can get over the surface. If he's right and the timing works, pending a next out decision (JCGC?), I imagine they would be happy to contest the BC Classic.

As I've explained several times since Midway Road's 2nd in the 2003 Preakness, Farish/Howard only run colts and horses in big spots if they expect to run well. Just as Phipps/Shug only run their fillies and mares in big spots if expect to run well. Bet accordingly...

tell him to dump robbie and get more wins..

Tell Farish to dump Howard while you're at it.

*braces for e-rage*

Not the clearest, but this is all I have been able to find thus far.

http://pics.livejournal.com/jldecker/pic/000kr522/

wow, thanks!

i thought CJ should have got a hard look from the stewards for the move go-go made.

Macho Again didn't even get a chance to show his talents in this one either

-bt-

Well we need to blame somebody for the dismal results of the Howard barn this year...and since Mr. Farish and Mr. Howard are such nice people they are automatically eliminated.

106 starts
1st-2nd-3rd
8-21-20

Wow. Seems like running second is contagious!! It's Alporado's fault!!! Off with his head!!

Good job, Mr. Farish. You have a fine barn of underachievers. Maybe you should spend a few million more and bump that win percentage to a whopping 10%. You sir, are a gentleman and a scholar. God save the queen.

That would have been weird.

Much like my supposed numerous TV appearances on Saturday....Macho Uno made a belated bid in this year's Travers.

GO to the DRF official charts on travers and it will explain all trouble by any horse. Everybody must have watched race with 15 beers in them. lol this was a good thread I'll say so myself.

sorry, macho again

wow, rough crowd this morning on this one

-bt-

talk about close. nice pic.

I was picturing Macho Uno giving a breeding demonstration for the 40,000 in attendance with Sumitas planted front row on the rail watching eagerly.

Great idea. God knows the official charts are always 100% correct when describing trips.

LOL i totally got that and am laughing my head off.

Thanks!