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hrfan 08-20-2008 07:10 AM

Travers Card
 
8th (4:03) Victory Ride S. (G3)

6 Furlongs | Fillies | 3 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $100,000

1 Palanka City Coa E M 123 L
2 Throbbin' Heart Bridgmohan S X 120 L
3 More Happy Velasquez C 120 L
4 Informed Decision Velazquez J R 115 L
5 Indyanne Baze R A 123 L
6 Porte Bonheur Dominguez R A 120 L
7 Sly Storm Castellano J J 120 L
8 J Z Warrior Desormeaux K J 120 L

A-Coupled: Throbbin' Heart and J Z Warrior



9th (4:38) Bernard Baruch H. (G2)

1 1/8 Miles (Inner turf) | Open | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $200,000

1 Drum Major Velasquez C 115 L
2 Thorn Song Leparoux J R 118 L
3 Operation Red Dawn Dominguez R A 114 L
4 Elusive Fort (SAF) Coa E M 114 L
5 Distorted Reality Velazquez J R 115 L
6 Shakis (IRE) Garcia Alan 115 L
7 Proudinsky (GER) Prado E S 118 L
8 Sensational Humor Maragh R 113 L
9 Yate's Black Cat Albarado R J 115 L
10 War Monger Desormeaux K J 115 L



10th (5:10) NetJets King's Bishop S. (G1)

7 Furlongs | Open | 3 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $250,000

1 Desert Key Velazquez J R 117 L
2 Gentleman James Aguilar M 117 L
3 Nautical Storm Velasquez C 117 L
4 Visionaire Garcia Alan 119 L
5 Silver Edition Leparoux J R 117 L
6 Kodiak Kowboy Saez G 121 L
7 Golden Spikes Trujillo E 121 L
8 J Be K Gomez G K 121 L
9 Salute the Sarge Desormeaux K J 121 L
10 I'm So Lucky Albarado R J 117 L
11 Lantana Mob Dominguez R A 119 L

A-Coupled: Kodiak Kowboy and Lantana Mob



11th (5:45) Travers S. (G1)

1 1/4 Miles | Open | 3 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $1,000,000

1 Tale of Ekati Prado E S 126 L
2 Colonel John Gomez G K 126 L
3 Da' Tara Garcia Alan 126 L
4 Tizbig Velasquez C 126 L
5 Macho Again Leparoux J R 126 L
6 Cool Coal Man Velazquez J R 126 L
7 Amped Chavez J F 126 L
8 Harlem Rocker Coa E M 126 L
9 Mambo in Seattle Albarado R J 126 L
10 Tres Borrachos Baze T C 126 L
11 Pyro Bridgmohan S X 126 L
12 Court Vision Desormeaux K J 126 L

Gander 08-20-2008 07:47 AM

Should be out by 3pm today.

Quiet Chris 08-20-2008 11:35 AM

Travers is out.

1. Tale of Ekati, Edgar Prado, 20-1
2. Colonel John, Garrett Gomez, 8-1
3. Da' Tara, Alan Garcia, 8-1
4. Tizbig, Cornelio Velasquez, 30-1
5. Macho Again, Julien Leparoux, 6-1
6. Cool Coal Man, John Velazquez, 15-1
7. Amped, Jorge Chavez, 30-1
8. Harlem Rocker, Eibar Coa, 4-1
9. Mambo in Seattle, Robby Albarado, 5-1
10. Tres Borrachos, Tyler Baze, 15-1
11. Pyro, Shaun Bridgmohan, 7-2
12. Court Vision, Kent Desormeaux, 12-1

Gander 08-20-2008 11:40 AM

Thanks. I find it completely shocking that this was drawn over an hour ago and still hasnt find its way on to NYRA's website yet. :D

TheSpyder 08-20-2008 11:43 AM

Too many people sampling the Travers Cooler don't cha know.
Quote:

Originally Posted by Gander
Thanks. I find it completely shocking that this was drawn over an hour ago and still hasnt find its way on to NYRA's website yet. :D


Gander 08-20-2008 11:43 AM

Kind of tells you just how open the 3 year old division is (beyond Big Brown) when you see that the 2 favorites are the 2 more unaccomplished horses in here- Harlem and Mambo. You get great odds on many horses who have already captured Grade 1's:

Tale of Ekati, Colonel John, Pyro & Da Tara

Grade 1's just dont have that much meaning anymore.

ArlJim78 08-20-2008 11:51 AM

good race, pretty much every three yo not named Big Brown.

Quiet Chris 08-20-2008 11:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gander
Kind of tells you just how open the 3 year old division is (beyond Big Brown) when you see that the 2 favorites are the 2 more unaccomplished horses in here- Harlem and Mambo. You get great odds on many horses who have already captured Grade 1's:

Tale of Ekati, Colonel John, Pyro & Da Tara

Grade 1's just dont have that much meaning anymore.

It really just looks like the 3yr olds that competed earlier in the year were not very good. All of these horses won grade 1's win beyers around 100. Pretty sad.

If Harlem and Mambo improve this race the others won't be competitive. The others have proven repeatedly that they are just not very fast horses.

SniperSB23 08-20-2008 12:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quiet Chris
Travers is out.

1. Tale of Ekati, Edgar Prado, 20-1
2. Colonel John, Garrett Gomez, 8-1
3. Da' Tara, Alan Garcia, 8-1
4. Tizbig, Cornelio Velasquez, 30-1
5. Macho Again, Julien Leparoux, 6-1
6. Cool Coal Man, John Velazquez, 15-1
7. Amped, Jorge Chavez, 30-1
8. Harlem Rocker, Eibar Coa, 4-1
9. Mambo in Seattle, Robby Albarado, 5-1
10. Tres Borrachos, Tyler Baze, 15-1
11. Pyro, Shaun Bridgmohan, 7-2
12. Court Vision, Kent Desormeaux, 12-1

The betting should be spread but I can't see Macho Again going off as the fourth favorite. I think he's most likely to be favored.

ateamstupid 08-20-2008 12:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gander
Kind of tells you just how open the 3 year old division is (beyond Big Brown) when you see that the 2 favorites are the 2 more unaccomplished horses in here- Harlem and Mambo. You get great odds on many horses who have already captured Grade 1's:

Tale of Ekati, Colonel John, Pyro & Da Tara

Grade 1's just dont have that much meaning anymore.

First of all, Pyro is the 7-2 favorite. And what Grade 1 did he win?

-BT- 08-20-2008 12:22 PM

ahhhh what the F!!!!

no casino drive?


-bt-

RollerDoc 08-20-2008 12:44 PM

Is it me or does anyone else think from a "value" perspective that Tale of Ekati looks good at 20-1? Without Big Brown, this race is going to be wide open.

I kind of like Colonel John as a sleeper too.

CSC 08-20-2008 12:51 PM

This is a tough race for me to be objective, I've been a fan of Harlem Rocker since he broke his Mdn at GP. I've always thought he was a talent. I know he is the best horse if this race was at a mile, his last in the Wales was good/okay, however unless he improves off that race he might be too low oddswise to maybe look elsewhere. One thing that I do like about him is they have been pointing for this race. So he should fire off the bench. At 4-1 he is right at the limit where I would back him. Hopefully his somewhat low beyer in his last will elevate his odds.

Gander 08-20-2008 01:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SniperSB23
The betting should be spread but I can't see Macho Again going off as the fourth favorite. I think he's most likely to be favored.


??? Favored? Macho Again? I dont think so. 4th choice sounds right to me.

You should hear the way everybody is chirping up Mambo in Seattle around here. Has to be the biggest wise guy Travers Play ever.

Gander 08-20-2008 01:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ateamstupid
First of all, Pyro is the 7-2 favorite. And what Grade 1 did he win?

Oops, I thought the LA Derby was a Grade 1. My bad. Also, I didnt realize he is the offical morning line favorite, although I think he winds up 3rd choice behind Spanish Harlem and Mambo.

Pedigree Ann 08-20-2008 02:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ateamstupid
First of all, Pyro is the 7-2 favorite. And what Grade 1 did he win?

Pyro wants no part of 10f. Up to 9f, yeah, he competes. But he's not a natural stayer and would have to outclass his field to win at 10f at scale weights.

57rick 08-20-2008 02:34 PM

Saturday's card up at DRF.com

Antitrust32 08-20-2008 02:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pedigree Ann
Pyro wants no part of 10f. Up to 9f, yeah, he competes. But he's not a natural stayer and would have to outclass his field to win at 10f at scale weights.

and to outclass the field he'd have to have class to begin with... so yeah.

SniperSB23 08-20-2008 03:51 PM

Saratoga - August 23rd, 2008 - Race 8
Victory Ride S. - Grade: 3
Estimated Local Post Time: 4:03 PM
Race Type: Stakes
Breed: Thoroughbred
Age Restriction: Three Year Old
Sex: Fillies
Purse: $100,000
Distance: Six Furlongs
Surface: Dirt
Post Horse Name Age Sex Weight Jockey Name
1 Palanka City (KY) 3 Filly 123 Eibar Coa
2 Throbbin' Heart (KY) 3 Filly 120 Shaun Bridgmohan
3 More Happy (KY) 3 Filly 120 Cornelio H. Velasquez
4 Informed Decision (KY) 3 Filly 115 John R. Velazquez
5 Indyanne (KY) 3 Filly 123 Russell A. Baze
6 Porte Bonheur (KY) 3 Filly 120 Ramon A. Dominguez
7 Sly Storm (KY) 3 Filly 120 Javier Castellano
8 J Z Warrior (KY) 3 Filly 120 Kent J. Desormeaux


Saratoga - August 23rd, 2008 - Race 9
Bernard Baruch H. - Grade: 2
Estimated Local Post Time: 4:38 PM
Race Type: Stakes
Breed: Thoroughbred
Age Restriction: Three Year Old and Upward
Purse: $200,000
Distance: One And One Eighth Miles
Surface: Inner turf
Post Horse Name Age Sex Weight Jockey Name
1 Drum Major (KY) 6 Horse 115 Cornelio H. Velasquez
2 Thorn Song (KY) 5 Horse 118 Julien R. Leparoux
3 Operation Red Dawn (KY) 6 Gelding 114 Ramon A. Dominguez
4 Elusive Fort (SAF) 6 Horse 114 Eibar Coa
5 Distorted Reality (FL) 4 Colt 115 John R. Velazquez
6 Shakis (IRE) 8 Horse 115 Alan Garcia
7 Proudinsky (GER) 5 Horse 118 Edgar S. Prado
8 Sensational Humor (KY) 5 Gelding 113 Rajiv Maragh
9 Yate's Black Cat (KY) 5 Horse 115 Robby Albarado
10 War Monger (FL) 4 Colt 115 Kent J. Desormeaux


Saratoga - August 23rd, 2008 - Race 10
NetJets King's Bishop S. - Grade: 1
Estimated Local Post Time: 5:10 PM
Race Type: Stakes
Breed: Thoroughbred
Age Restriction: Three Year Old
Purse: $250,000
Distance: Seven Furlongs
Surface: Dirt
Post Horse Name Age Sex Weight Jockey Name
1 Desert Key (KY) 3 Colt 117 John R. Velazquez
2 Gentleman James (KY) 3 Colt 117 Manuel Aguilar
3 Nautical Storm (KY) 3 Colt 117 Cornelio H. Velasquez
4 Visionaire (KY) 3 Colt 119 Alan Garcia
5 Silver Edition (KY) 3 Colt 117 Julien R. Leparoux
6 Kodiak Kowboy (KY) 3 Colt 121 Gabriel Saez
7 Golden Spikes (KY) 3 Colt 121 Elvis Trujillo
8 J Be K (KY) 3 Colt 121 Garrett K. Gomez
9 Salute the Sarge (KY) 3 Colt 121 Kent J. Desormeaux
10 I'm So Lucky (KY) 3 Colt 117 Robby Albarado
11 Lantana Mob (KY) 3 Colt 119 Ramon A. Dominguez

hrfan 08-20-2008 03:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quiet Chris
Travers is out.

1. Tale of Ekati, Edgar Prado, 20-1
2. Colonel John, Garrett Gomez, 8-1
3. Da' Tara, Alan Garcia, 8-1
4. Tizbig, Cornelio Velasquez, 30-1
5. Macho Again, Julien Leparoux, 6-1
6. Cool Coal Man, John Velazquez, 15-1
7. Amped, Jorge Chavez, 30-1
8. Harlem Rocker, Eibar Coa, 4-1
9. Mambo in Seattle, Robby Albarado, 5-1
10. Tres Borrachos, Tyler Baze, 15-1
11. Pyro, Shaun Bridgmohan, 7-2
12. Court Vision, Kent Desormeaux, 12-1

where is you and i forever ?
i liked him, just from taking a quick look, for the purpose of a pick 4, i cant see going any less then at least 6 deep, using the 2,3,5,9,11,12

hrfan 08-20-2008 03:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RollerDoc
Is it me or does anyone else think from a "value" perspective that Tale of Ekati looks good at 20-1? Without Big Brown, this race is going to be wide open.

I kind of like Colonel John as a sleeper too.

i dont think the Colonel is much of a sleeper, he will be bet... no more then 5-1

Cajungator26 08-20-2008 03:57 PM

Decent field ...

I like the good Colonel (especially at those odds.)

hrfan 08-20-2008 04:38 PM

the pick 4 might be impossible to hit, i see 6 deep in the travers and thats leaving harlem rocker out, i see 5 deep in the bishop and thats leaving j be k out.... i dont think russell bazes horse is a lock either, and the turf race is tough, im hoping war monger turns it around, but no way can you single there

Antitrust32 08-20-2008 04:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hrfan
the pick 4 might be impossible to hit, i see 6 deep in the travers and thats leaving harlem rocker out, i see 5 deep in the bishop and thats leaving j be k out.... i dont think russell bazes horse is a lock either, and the turf race is tough, im hoping war monger turns it around, but no way can you single there


i think it would be insane to leave j be k out. Just my opinion. This horse is a freak and he romped in his maiden at Saratoga.. And I dont understand going 6 deep in the travers and not having harlem rocker. I dont see harlem being a cinch by any means, but I also cant find 6 horses I'd like better than him...

hrfan 08-20-2008 05:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Antitrust32
i think it would be insane to leave j be k out. Just my opinion. This horse is a freak and he romped in his maiden at Saratoga.. And I dont understand going 6 deep in the travers and not having harlem rocker. I dont see harlem being a cinch by any means, but I also cant find 6 horses I'd like better than him...

i cant use j be k, almost the same reasson why i pounded proud spell last week, his best race is no better then a few in here, then i also like wards horse and matz horse from out of the clouds, i just dont get using j be k at no price in the bishop i like the 1,4,6,7,10, IMO j be k has defeated no one, he continues to beat the lukas horse who is nothing special, saturday he faces some very serious horses, desert key, and kodiak are very very good, better then anything j be k has ever seen
in the travers i like 2,3,5,9,11,12

i have 3 days to trim it down and i will try to, but IMO j be k is the biggest play against on the card

Antitrust32 08-20-2008 05:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hrfan
i cant use j be k, almost the same reasson why i pounded proud spell last week, his best race is no better then a few in here, then i also like wards horse and matz horse from out of the clouds, i just dont get using j be k at no price in the bishop i like the 1,4,6,7,10, IMO j be k has defeated no one, he continues to beat the lukas horse who is nothing special, saturday he faces some very serious horses, desert key, and kodiak are very very good, better then anything j be k has ever seen
in the travers i like 2,3,5,9,11,12

i have 3 days to trim it down and i will try to, but IMO j be k is the biggest play against on the card


Good luck, I just dont see J be K losing in the form he's in. But that is why they run the race!

ateamstupid 08-20-2008 05:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hrfan
i cant use j be k, almost the same reasson why i pounded proud spell last week, his best race is no better then a few in here, then i also like wards horse and matz horse from out of the clouds, i just dont get using j be k at no price in the bishop i like the 1,4,6,7,10, IMO j be k has defeated no one, he continues to beat the lukas horse who is nothing special, saturday he faces some very serious horses, desert key, and kodiak are very very good, better then anything j be k has ever seen
in the travers i like 2,3,5,9,11,12

i have 3 days to trim it down and i will try to, but IMO j be k is the biggest play against on the card

He's baaack..

Coach Pants 08-20-2008 06:01 PM

Good betting race. I'll get to see the best 3 year old colts in the country run on Saturday. Doesn't get much better than that.

hockey2315 08-20-2008 06:04 PM

I think the only way to play the King's Bishop is to look for a speed duel between Desert Key and J Be K. They're both so fast/talented that I think they'll take each other out - Johnny V. says he's going to rate with Desert Key but that horse is a little headstrong. I'll rely on Kodiak Kowboy but also use some of the higher priced off-the-pace types.

3kings 08-20-2008 06:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ateamstupid
He's baaack..

Good Call........I think you are correct!

Gander 08-20-2008 06:36 PM

I like Jerken's horse Desert Key. The race he ran against Kodiak Bear was simply amazing. One of the gutsiest efforts I have ever seen. Shame he lost. Kodiak Bear had perfect trip and still only got by him by an inch.
I believe I have found my single for Saturday's late picks.

ArlJim78 08-20-2008 08:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ateamstupid
He's baaack..

yes i think you're right, too funny this guy. thats my laugh of the day.
good catch.

Kasept 08-20-2008 08:32 PM

8/23 (SAR): Travers; King's Bishop; Baruch; Vic. Ride
 
8th (4:03) Victory Ride S. (G3)

6 Furlongs | Fillies | 3 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $100,000

1 Palanka City Coa E M 123 L
2 Throbbin' Heart Bridgmohan S X 120 L
3 More Happy Velasquez C 120 L
4 Informed Decision Velazquez J R 115 L
5 Indyanne Baze R A 123 L
6 Porte Bonheur Dominguez R A 120 L
7 Sly Storm Castellano J J 120 L
8 J Z Warrior Desormeaux K J 120 L

A-Coupled: Throbbin' Heart and J Z Warrior



9th (4:38) Bernard Baruch H. (G2)

1 1/8 Miles (Inner turf) | Open | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $200,000

1 Drum Major Velasquez C 115 L
2 Thorn Song Leparoux J R 118 L
3 Operation Red Dawn Dominguez R A 114 L
4 Elusive Fort (SAF) Coa E M 114 L
5 Distorted Reality Velazquez J R 115 L
6 Shakis (IRE) Garcia Alan 115 L
7 Proudinsky (GER) Prado E S 118 L
8 Sensational Humor Maragh R 113 L
9 Yate's Black Cat Albarado R J 115 L
10 War Monger Desormeaux K J 115 L



10th (5:10) NetJets King's Bishop S. (G1)

7 Furlongs | Open | 3 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $250,000

1 Desert Key Velazquez J R 117 L
2 Gentleman James Aguilar M 117 L
3 Nautical Storm Velasquez C 117 L
4 Visionaire Garcia Alan 119 L
5 Silver Edition Leparoux J R 117 L
6 Kodiak Kowboy Saez G 121 L
7 Golden Spikes Trujillo E 121 L
8 J Be K Gomez G K 121 L
9 Salute the Sarge Desormeaux K J 121 L
10 I'm So Lucky Albarado R J 117 L
11 Lantana Mob Dominguez R A 119 L

A-Coupled: Kodiak Kowboy and Lantana Mob



11th (5:45) Travers S. (G1)

1 1/4 Miles | Open | 3 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $1,000,000

1 Tale of Ekati Prado E S 126 L
2 Colonel John Gomez G K 126 L
3 Da' Tara Garcia Alan 126 L
4 Tizbig Velasquez C 126 L
5 Macho Again Leparoux J R 126 L
6 Cool Coal Man Velazquez J R 126 L
7 Amped Chavez J F 126 L
8 Harlem Rocker Coa E M 126 L
9 Mambo in Seattle Albarado R J 126 L
10 Tres Borrachos Baze T C 126 L
11 Pyro Bridgmohan S X 126 L
12 Court Vision Desormeaux K J 126 L

hrfan 08-20-2008 08:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ateamstupid
He's baaack..

im lost ?

Scav 08-20-2008 08:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hrfan
im lost ?

we know pg

hi_im_god 08-20-2008 09:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hrfan
im lost ?

i own no caps. pick another affectation.

hi_im_god 08-20-2008 09:06 PM

try capping the first letter of every word. sdjcom won't mind.

philcski 08-20-2008 09:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quiet Chris
Travers is out.

1. Tale of Ekati, Edgar Prado, 20-1
2. Colonel John, Garrett Gomez, 8-1
3. Da' Tara, Alan Garcia, 8-1
4. Tizbig, Cornelio Velasquez, 30-1
5. Macho Again, Julien Leparoux, 6-1
6. Cool Coal Man, John Velazquez, 15-1
7. Amped, Jorge Chavez, 30-1
8. Harlem Rocker, Eibar Coa, 4-1
9. Mambo in Seattle, Robby Albarado, 5-1
10. Tres Borrachos, Tyler Baze, 15-1
11. Pyro, Shaun Bridgmohan, 7-2
12. Court Vision, Kent Desormeaux, 12-1

I think Cool Coal Man is way too high at 15-1. Disappointed to not see You and I Forever in there because he deserved a long look at what figured to be a square price.

CSC 08-20-2008 09:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by philcski
I think Cool Coal Man is way too high at 15-1. Disappointed to not see You and I Forever in there because he deserved a long look at what figured to be a square price.

I did a little also, though for me I don't think he is as good as some of these. Speed figures aside, at 15-1 I can certainly see him as a good value stab.

I looked at a few races earlier on and in particular I replayed some of Harlem Rocker's races to refresh my memory. I think if Coa can be patient and resist the temptation to move early on him we will see a big race from Rocker. This horse has one big move and the timing of it will be the key. Coa won't be able to get away with the premature move he made in the Wales if Rocker is to win a race of this level. That race should set him up well for the Travers.

VOL JACK 08-20-2008 10:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quiet Chris
Travers is out.

1. Tale of Ekati, Edgar Prado, 20-1
2. Colonel John, Garrett Gomez, 8-1
3. Da' Tara, Alan Garcia, 8-1
4. Tizbig, Cornelio Velasquez, 30-1
5. Macho Again, Julien Leparoux, 6-1
6. Cool Coal Man, John Velazquez, 15-1
7. Amped, Jorge Chavez, 30-1
8. Harlem Rocker, Eibar Coa, 4-1
9. Mambo in Seattle, Robby Albarado, 5-1
10. Tres Borrachos, Tyler Baze, 15-1
11. Pyro, Shaun Bridgmohan, 7-2
12. Court Vision, Kent Desormeaux, 12-1

I think Grenings article on the front page on Mambo In Seattle killed any chance of getting 5-1. Wouldnt be surprised at the least to see him go off the post time fav, since he is the 'buzz' horse.


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