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2MinsToPost 08-07-2008 07:29 PM

How Many Of You Wager Online?
 
I have not placed a wager online in close to a year and am two seconds away from closing my accounts for good. However, I live in an area that provides simulcast, live racing etc etc..

I just don't care for the online wagering experience and it boils down to this -

Nothing can replace the feel of cash being transferred to your hand on spot.

I have found that when wagering online it is too easy to pull the trigger by pressing keystrokes versus pulling out my wallet.

-BT- 08-07-2008 07:59 PM

I respect you opinion and know where you’re coming from, but I feel the exact opposite. While you are right, it is harder to pull the trigger on things when you passing money to a teller rather then using a mouse, and at times the atmosphere is great at the track. But I live almost an hour from a racetrack and planning out my trips there is an ordeal since I live in the Washington metro area (the traffic is awful). The comfort of playing at my house, being able to cut bake and leave at the drop of a hat if something better comes up or just the convenience of still being home and able to get sh!t done around the house.

I’m almost the opposite of you, I haven’t been to track in almost a year, and wager primarily on the weekends (if that) through my online accounts. I do still manage to get out to the track on big days, but I see no need to head out there every time I wanna make a wager. Honestly I get board at the track, people annoy me easily and I can’t stand the chatter at times so I just end up listening to my i-pod in between races to pass the time, but that’s just me.

-bt-

mes5107 08-07-2008 08:17 PM

I live about 10 min from a racebook at a local casino, but I rarely bet there. I prefer the convenience of betting at home. Don't get me wrong, nothing beats going to the track and watching live racing, but the closest T-bred track is Suffolk which is approx 1.5-2 hrs away, depending on traffic. There's a lot to be said about the OTB experience as well with the comaraderie you build with some of the strangest characters you'll meet.

However, with betting at home I can wager at 0 or 1 MTP to see my true odds. Exacta and DD probables are readily available. I can read derbytrail. Cook dinner. blah blah blah

mclem0822 08-07-2008 08:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by -BT-
I respect you opinion and know where you’re coming from, but I feel the exact opposite. While you are right, it is harder to pull the trigger on things when you passing money to a teller rather then using a mouse, and at times the atmosphere is great at the track. But I live almost an hour from a racetrack and planning out my trips there is an ordeal since I live in the Washington metro area (the traffic is awful). The comfort of playing at my house, being able to cut bake and leave at the drop of a hat if something better comes up or just the convenience of still being home and able to get sh!t done around the house.

I’m almost the opposite of you, I haven’t been to track in almost a year, and wager primarily on the weekends (if that) through my online accounts. I do still manage to get out to the track on big days, but I see no need to head out there every time I wanna make a wager. Honestly I get board at the track, people annoy me easily and I can’t stand the chatter at times so I just end up listening to my i-pod in between races to pass the time, but that’s just me.

-bt-

Man BT you make some good points, especially the part about people getting annoying at the track. I do enjoy going on big days more than most, tons of people gathered around watching the triple crown races is very exciting. But over the past 6 months or maybe even longer I've made very few wagers in person, but rather I've been using 2 accounts online. I guess I fall into the category of liking both, but for now it's mostly online for my wagers, and a pop in and out of the OTB for a racing form.

ddthetide 08-07-2008 08:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by -BT-
I respect you opinion and know where you’re coming from, but I feel the exact opposite. While you are right, it is harder to pull the trigger on things when you passing money to a teller rather then using a mouse, and at times the atmosphere is great at the track. But I live almost an hour from a racetrack and planning out my trips there is an ordeal since I live in the Washington metro area (the traffic is awful). The comfort of playing at my house, being able to cut bake and leave at the drop of a hat if something better comes up or just the convenience of still being home and able to get sh!t done around the house.

I’m almost the opposite of you, I haven’t been to track in almost a year, and wager primarily on the weekends (if that) through my online accounts. I do still manage to get out to the track on big days, but I see no need to head out there every time I wanna make a wager. Honestly I get board at the track, people annoy me easily and I can’t stand the chatter at times so I just end up listening to my i-pod in between races to pass the time, but that’s just me.

-bt-

excellent post BT. i'm in the same position with most of your post.

ALostTexan 08-07-2008 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by 2MinsToPost
I have not placed a wager online in close to a year and am two seconds away from closing my accounts for good. However, I live in an area that provides simulcast, live racing etc etc..

Have they started the new simulcasting rules there, where it is only at the facility offering live racing, then transfers to the other when it is dark? I know that was the plan, but have they started it yet, and how is it working if they have?

I cannot wager online in Arizona, a constant thorn in my side, which is just another reason I want to be back in the Buckeye state, and will eventually. I also cannot wager on harness or quarterhorse races, which pisses me off, and no horse wagering after 7:00 p.m., plus during the day I can only bet on a select few tracks, so I have to hope they are carrying the track I want to bet.

Gotta love Arizona...

docicu3 08-07-2008 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by ddthetide
excellent post BT. i'm in the same position with most of your post.


I agree with both as the buzz of the track and cash in hand for work well done is the best but a Fed Ex check for an online cash is also pretty cool. I am more likely to stay away from the impulse stab when I am forking over dead presidents as opposed to playing with cash in an account.

There is also the advantage of having the wagering house keep track of winnings and loses for tax reasons that gives a small edge to the online gig.

Laurel is unfriendly but Pimlico is life threatening. Delaware Park is surreal at times as the big room is great simulcast.

The track for me is a visit to play simulcast most days which is where this business is going long term I am afraid as besides the big venues with the big races and talent the bulk of on track wagering is on simulcast events where I frequent......sad but true. Maryland racing died.....the only thing left of value are the big days of which there may be 5 a year.

GPK 08-07-2008 08:39 PM

I love the comraderie at the OTB. So many different personalities. There are a couple guys where I hang out that really "know" the sport and appreciate the work that goes into handicapping. There is just something about the atmosphere there that draws me in. I tend to get very bored, very quickly wagering from home.

geeker2 08-07-2008 08:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2MinsToPost
I have found that when wagering online it is too easy to pull the trigger by pressing keystrokes versus pulling out my wallet.


You need to work much hard on your addiction...you are still at the point that you are controlling it and it is not controlling you...stop the 12 step meeting this will help :D

pointman 08-07-2008 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by GPK
I love the comraderie at the OTB. So many different personalities. There are a couple guys where I hang out that really "know" the sport and appreciate the work that goes into handicapping. There is just something about the atmosphere there that draws me in. I tend to get very bored, very quickly wagering from home.

If they lack teeth, I wouldn't put too much stock into their selections.

GPK 08-07-2008 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by pointman
If they lack teeth, I wouldn't put too much stock into their selections.

Only one guy I even remotely listen to there at times, and his nephew is a major trainer on the SoCal circuit. I feel confident in saying there is no one there that puts anywhere near the effort into handicapping that I do. Just had a new guy start hanging out there. He just moved here from Lexington, KY. Couple years younger than me...but seems pretty sharp and loves the game.

MaTH716 08-07-2008 09:06 PM

Most of my wagers are made on-line. I enjoy going to track very much, but with the 2 little ones it is extremely difficult. Also in my situation, the only real time for me to handicap and play all by myself is at night. I love those friday night Hollywood cards. I live in NJ, so I would have to stay at Freehold to 1 in the morning to play that. It is just so much easier and convienent to play from home. Plus I don't have to hear it from the old lady that I am out to all hours of the night.
There are downsides though. Money management is a little more important. You have to make due with what is in your account, so it might be a little difficult to take a stab on a horse that you have a feel early. Because it might affect your bankroll for say a late pick 4. Also if you should win (haven't had that problem lately) not being able to withdraw what you want on the spot. Next thing you know you are playing Mountaineer on a Monday night.

GPK 08-07-2008 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716
Most of my wagers are made on-line. I enjoy going to track very much, but with the 2 little ones it is extremely difficult. Also in my situation, the only real time for me to handicap and play all by myself is at night. I love those friday night Hollywood cards. I live in NJ, so I would have to stay at Freehold to 1 in the morning to play that. It is just so much easier and convienent to play from home. Plus I don't have to hear it from the old lady that I am out to all hours of the night.
There are downsides though. Money management is a little more important. You have to make due with what is in your account, so it might be a little difficult to take a stab on a horse that you have a feel early. Because it might affect your bankroll for say a late pick 4. Also if you should win (haven't had that problem lately) not being able to withdraw what you want on the spot. Next thing you know you are playing Mountaineer on a Monday night.


You say that like it's a bad thing:)

MaTH716 08-07-2008 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by GPK
You say that like it's a bad thing:)

That was my New Years resoulution. No more betting on 5k claimers! I think I lasted for a month.

GPK 08-07-2008 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716
That was my New Years resoulution. No more betting on 5k claimers! I think I lasted for a month.


You lasted longer than most then.

AeWingnut 08-07-2008 09:46 PM

I opened an account but continued to hang out with friends at the OTB. I am more than 2 hours away form a track.

They closed the OTB after the Kentucky Derby this year. I am one of the lucky ones that had an online account before the States Attorney/ mob asked BrisBET - now Twinspires to quit accepting new accounts.

I don't have a problem not betting. I usually wait for the weekends

having an online account makes it easy to catch horses I noticed having a bad trip and try to get my money back on them the next time they run.

One problem I have had is more signers.... :D

not having people around to annoy helps me concentrate

skippy3481 08-07-2008 11:10 PM

Nothing beats the mount.... there is no racing like it... I have a live track 30 minutes from me, but i only go for big days. I don't do ignorant people well and that is the about 99% of the people there. I don't need the old guy thats betting a 2 dollar win ticket payed for in dimes to tell me why he thinks the 45-1 shot that has been scratched for 3 hours is going to win.

hoovesupsideyourhead 08-07-2008 11:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ALostTexan
Have they started the new simulcasting rules there, where it is only at the facility offering live racing, then transfers to the other when it is dark? I know that was the plan, but have they started it yet, and how is it working if they have?

I cannot wager online in Arizona, a constant thorn in my side, which is just another reason I want to be back in the Buckeye state, and will eventually. I also cannot wager on harness or quarterhorse races, which pisses me off, and no horse wagering after 7:00 p.m., plus during the day I can only bet on a select few tracks, so I have to hope they are carrying the track I want to bet.

Gotta love Arizona...

diamond sports..google it dude

Coach Pants 08-07-2008 11:16 PM

It would be nice to have an OTB in my backyard like pg1985. Lucky bastard.

skippy3481 08-07-2008 11:32 PM

coach you not only would have to have a otb in your backyard but 4.2 speed as well. Of course pg was only jogging...

Pedigree Ann 08-08-2008 03:25 AM

My local track, Keeneland, is a paradise, but until last year, I was involved in child transport from school in the middle of the afternoon. Then I had to get dinner on the table for the family. It has been much more convenient to bet online for me. And honestly, I dislike going to the track by myself; it is much more fun for me to have people to talk to and argue the merits of our picks. Unfortunately, most of my horse buddies are industry professionals who working on racedays. However, my son's new girlfriend has a Brisbet account...,I might just have to adopt her.

MaTH716 08-08-2008 05:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Pedigree Ann
My local track, Keeneland, is a paradise, but until last year, I was involved in child transport from school in the middle of the afternoon. Then I had to get dinner on the table for the family. It has been much more convenient to bet online for me. And honestly, I dislike going to the track by myself; it is much more fun for me to have people to talk to and argue the merits of our picks. Unfortunately, most of my horse buddies are industry professionals who working on racedays. However, my son's new girlfriend has a Brisbet account...,I might just have to adopt her.

I am the opposite. I much rather go to the track by myself. I just like to enjoy the day/atmosphere, with me and my form.

TheSpyder 08-08-2008 05:45 AM

Living in SC I have no choice. Having said that, it's a lot easier and more enjoyable to cap and bet from home.

Where at the track can you have a nice chair or couch, your own refrigerator, several TV's, private bathroom, and drinks are cheap.

Having done it for years I get out of my element at actual tracks.

Having the internet there are no lines to bet and all the information I need is at my finger tips.

Steve Crist had an article this week where he said the same thing saying he's close to Belmont but goes once a week only because betting at home is easier and more effective.

(exception: Saratoga anyday)

Spyder

joeydb 08-08-2008 05:56 AM

Online is the future, the grandstand is our heritage.
 
I have been a racing fan since I was a kid. When I was 18, I used to buy the form the night before and do the handicapping for hours on the kitchen table, then drive to Garden State Park (RIP) and place bets and watch the races. It was great, and I still plan to hit local tracks (I should say track - Philly Park) once in a while.

I go to OTB's and the casinos that have racebooks, and I would only use the electronic devices for account wagering there. I never again want the feeling of being in line, two people away from the teller when that bell rings and I am locked out.

That said, I believe the true power and appeal of simulcasting can only be reached by giving complete access to the bettor. I love the online wagering, because it allows me to play more often without the commute or disrupting other necessary things I need to do at home. And I still have the advantage of not being locked out and by having more time to see the odds impact of my proposed wagers.

2MinsToPost 08-08-2008 06:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ALostTexan
Have they started the new simulcasting rules there, where it is only at the facility offering live racing, then transfers to the other when it is dark? I know that was the plan, but have they started it yet, and how is it working if they have?

I cannot wager online in Arizona, a constant thorn in my side, which is just another reason I want to be back in the Buckeye state, and will eventually. I also cannot wager on harness or quarterhorse races, which pisses me off, and no horse wagering after 7:00 p.m., plus during the day I can only bet on a select few tracks, so I have to hope they are carrying the track I want to bet.

Gotta love Arizona...

yes

SCUDSBROTHER 08-08-2008 06:52 AM

At home, It's much easier to avoid chasing money. Change the channel to another sport, and try them the next day. Fact is there are people around you doing other things than gambling on horses, and that just naturally makes it easier to switch off your competitive juices. At the track, it's a bunch of gamblers, and, for the most part, it's best to avoid that. It's great to talk to other gamblers before a card etc., and it's o.k. to bet horses with them once in a while, but day in/ day out it just is best to avoid it(because you want to avoid the whole mutuel losing thing.)Just because others are losing more than you doesn't make it o.k. to lose more than you should. The negative of betting from home is ya don't get as much feedback from others on your wins. Trust me, they don't care that you won.

reese 08-08-2008 07:28 AM

I live about an hr(w/o traffic) from a live track, 15 minutes from a very nice OTB, but I bet online 5 of 7 days. I go to the track several times a year and the OTB on Saturdays.

Online betting is so much more convenient. I never bet at the OTB...the takeout there is 6%..so I use my online account to bet when I'm there anyway.
The OTB is distracting with the noise competition from "other" tracks I don't follow.

2 Dollar Bill 08-08-2008 09:46 AM

Living in New Jersey... What is ""Wager Online "" ??? :zz:

Solari 08-08-2008 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by pointman
If they lack teeth, I wouldn't put too much stock into their selections.

Aqueduct used to be full of guys that looked like that.:)

Holland Hacker 08-08-2008 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by 2 Dollar Bill
Living in New Jersey... What is ""Wager Online "" ??? :zz:


Although I don't use it you could use www.NJ4bets.com.

While I do wager from home, living in NJ my choices are VERY limited to the NJSEA's platform, (MONOPOLY). I like using Formulator to handicap while at home and wish some tracks would offer a wireless connection for geeks like me so I could bring my laptop and have the full functionality of Formualtor at the track instead of just a print out of the pps.

I still like to go to the track with friends and usually make the 1 - 1 1/2 hour trip to Aqueduct or Belmont. Actually I think I will get to the track about 15 times this year including 7 days at the SPA.

ibet2win 08-08-2008 11:34 AM

online wagering
 
Most of my wagers are made online using Youbet and i watch the races on TVG, mainly because i live in Tennessee and am not close to any tracks. I am close to Kentucky Downs which simulcasts but that is without a doubt the worse run place i have ever encountered and i would just as soon miss out on a win as to go there. I actually like the Youbet format a lot because you see so much information on the screen at any one time, i tried the TwinSpires one as well but i didn't care for it at all so i cancelled it very quickly.
All that being said, i bet online out of necessity and i do enjoy it but the experience of online wagering is not one tenth as satisfying to me as going to the track to watch them live. One downside of wagering online is that my average wager per race is a lot higher online than it would be at the track because you don't have the same feeling of pain as you do when you fork over the cash each time - thats good i guess if you win but like most people, i lose more often than i win so my budget takes a hit every now and then! lol

booner 08-08-2008 01:12 PM

I have online accounts with Twin Spires and TVG. I use Twin Spires 90% of the time; I only use TVG to bet tracks that TS doesn't carry. It is easier for me to bet online since I work oddball hours at times. I also find it easier to play from home on big days when the wife has plans in the middle of the day.

I live 30 minutes from Kentucky Downs and between 2-3 hours from Ellis, Churchill and Keeneland. I will go to KD for their live meet, and maybe 4-5 times a year to simulcast (just to get a change of scenery). I do travel to the other 3 tracks about 6 times each during the year to catch some live racing.

Thunder Gulch 08-08-2008 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by ibet2win
Most of my wagers are made online using Youbet and i watch the races on TVG, mainly because i live in Tennessee and am not close to any tracks. I am close to Kentucky Downs which simulcasts but that is without a doubt the worse run place i have ever encountered and i would just as soon miss out on a win as to go there. I actually like the Youbet format a lot because you see so much information on the screen at any one time, i tried the TwinSpires one as well but i didn't care for it at all so i cancelled it very quickly.
All that being said, i bet online out of necessity and i do enjoy it but the experience of online wagering is not one tenth as satisfying to me as going to the track to watch them live. One downside of wagering online is that my average wager per race is a lot higher online than it would be at the track because you don't have the same feeling of pain as you do when you fork over the cash each time - thats good i guess if you win but like most people, i lose more often than i win so my budget takes a hit every now and then! lol

Easy there...I like Ky Downs, but you have to pony up and join the club instead of hanging with the $2 degenerates in the regular area. The Sly Fox - I think it's now the Winning Colors bar- has pretty good food, you can get a drink, and I always go with a good group. The other area there with all the southern KY hillbillies is pretty pathetic.

To the original topic...how many of you that prefer online wagering have a family at home? I think that would change the answer considerably. To me a trip to the OTB at Southland Greyhound park involves an afternoon of hanging out with friends, something that family men don't get enough of. I play online occasionally, but I get excited when I'm at the track or OTB in person.

pointman 08-08-2008 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Solari
Aqueduct used to be full of guys that looked like that.:)

Still is, as are most NYC OTB's unfortunately

booner 08-08-2008 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Thunder Gulch
Easy there...I like Ky Downs, but you have to pony up and join the club instead of hanging with the $2 degenerates in the regular area. The Sly Fox - I think it's now the Winning Colors bar- has pretty good food, you can get a drink, and I always go with a good group. The other area there with all the southern KY hillbillies is pretty pathetic.

To the original topic...how many of you that prefer online wagering have a family at home? I think that would change the answer considerably. To me a trip to the OTB at Southland Greyhound park involves an afternoon of hanging out with friends, something that family men don't get enough of. I play online occasionally, but I get excited when I'm at the track or OTB in person.

I agree with the "southern KY hillbillies are pretty pathetic" portion of your statement. I have never seen so many people stand in line and handicap at the window. I really love the ones that get to the window, turn around and look at one of the TV screens, and spit out about 50 trifecta combinations to the teller. My friend told one of them to go play the lottery if he wanted to do that (in not-so-friendly terms :D ).

I am lucky in that my wife will let me have plenty of days to go to the track with my friends. She has also been cool enough to let us get together at my house and bet online all day and play poker at night. She is definately a keeper! :{>: :D

sdjcom 08-08-2008 08:33 PM

except for boutique meets racetracks are mty except for some homeless and
deadbeats who have no access to internet. within 10 yrs. because of cost of driving, ontrack costs (beer,coke, sandwich) no new fans intro into game we'll
have only a few big tracks with casinos or poker stay open. the wealthy will keep boutique trks open, most of others will fail if no casino to keep profits up. jobs and pay are on decline,and many people are walking away from this type of entertainment. hell saratoga is way down in attendance and handle.
delmar cutting purses, these are supposed to be well heel tracks.

intense 08-08-2008 08:48 PM

I used to be all about going to the track by myself in the summer when I was 17/18. Now I actually work at Arlington Park so I don't go there much outside of work. If im going to bet, its usually on the job and I just use my iphone and goto bodog and place my bet. I also enjoy sitting and watching HRTV and TVG and betting online at my house.

cowgirlintexas 08-08-2008 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by GPK
I love the comraderie at the OTB. So many different personalities. There are a couple guys where I hang out that really "know" the sport and appreciate the work that goes into handicapping. There is just something about the atmosphere there that draws me in. I tend to get very bored, very quickly wagering from home.

I feel the same as you Kev..When I used to go to Sam Houston (when I lived there), I had a few "betting buddies" that I would sit with and talk horses with. I made a few extra bucks by listening to their views, but of course probably lost more in the end :rolleyes: .. I also liked sitting alone sometimes as well and just focus on the horses... Now I have no choice but to wager at home, and do admit it is "convenient", but not as fun as going to the track.

letswastemoney 08-08-2008 11:27 PM

I'm 25 and should be technologically advanced but.....figuring out which online wagering thing to sign up for confuses the heck out of me. So I just don't do it, and if I'm too lazy to go to the OTB, then I'm too lazy to wager.

timmgirvan 08-09-2008 08:23 PM

Can't bet online in Georgia.....but won thousands online(mostly with Hooves and Byksters' help:)) But I never could get into a rythym at the track or OTB!


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