It's official!!!
 

Yes, the Big Brown camp really is full of crap!!

http://racing.bloodhorse.com/article/46480.htm

27 days isn't enough time for Big Brown to recover. These great athletes need time between races.

"We know Curlin wont run in the Breeders Cup... so that is where we will challenge him"

Exactly!!

mighty bold of them to offer to meet Curlin in a race that Curlins people say they have no interest in.

It's only fair that Curlin's connections get heat for not running in the BC Classic.

i'm sure wherever they end up running Curlin it will have nothing to do with dodging Big Brown.

I disagree. They aren't ducking anyone. They are ducking a surface that they know sucks.

Actually, that will be a totally new surface by then, but still, I think people are starting to realize how big a scam that AWT crap is.

I applaud them for this!

:rolleyes:

And being afraid of a surface isn't a chicken move?

So Big Brown will have 1 race in ~75 days and that is a tough schedule?

No, it is not being chicken. It's being wary of something potentially harmful.

They weren't afraid to try turf, were they?

Jackson said they wouldnt race there because winning back to back Classics has been done and they wanted to do something different with him, something bigger. i truly don't think they are so stupid as to be afraid of the surface, after all they weren't afraid to try turf.

Harmful? It's not like he's going to die by running on the surface.

That's just ***** talk.

Like Longchamps? Please. That's a pipe dream.

The Japan Cup? Pffft.

Melbourne Cup? LOL.

They're just being a bunch of sissies. They'll run in the classic because their beloved horse got beat by Red Rocks.

I dont blame them for ducking Curlin. He was all out to beat Coal Play. They'll probably go to the Penn Derby and win a head bob over the mighty Smooth Air.


Big Brown wouldnt finish within 5 lengths of Curlin.

i don't have a problem with curlin skipping the bcc. a lot of us complain that there is too much weight to that race that day, that it shouldn't have so much bearing on year-end honors. so how can we then complain if it gets skipped? it's only one race.
i just think it's sad that every race leading up to the derby is a prep, and every race after it is a prep for the bc. there is something very wrong with that line of thinking.

Curlin is a Beast
 

IEAH will dodge Curlin, we all know that but how juiced up was BB in his devestating wins??

I'm sure the same amount he was juiced up his last 2

you must not like curlin, he has nothing left to prove...granted he is not super horse.

what has he done, really, that has sealed the deal?

may be a bit more than last two, i just dont trust dutrow.

[quote=Danzig]what has he done, really, that has sealed the deal?[/QUOTE


career wins such as arkansas, preakness, BCC & Dubai World cup and the fact that he is still racing, i cant recall such a stellar 2yo, 3yo, and 4yo performances in recent memory(say last 5-years).

danig what does curlin have left to prove.... Who could he beat that he already has not with the exception of big brown.... if he gets beat in the classic this year would his star be a little dimmer? IF he won again would it get brighter? I say no on both accounts. The horse won a TC race, the bc classic, and the race in dubai. They tried him on the grass and only had mixed results. He probably couldn't compete on a euro track with their top horses. So what exactly does he have to prove? What race could he run in and win that would make you think more of him?

beat me to it bernadini.

I don't like the ***** mentality that has poisoned the sport. He has a chump record.

well, since the bar has been set so high (last five years, really?) i guess nothing. staying in training doesn't make him a good horse. he also suffers from a lack of top quality competition. his defeat on turf was turned into 'well not so bad' since he lost to a bc turf winner-yeah, cause red rocks is such a monster....
i think curlin is a good horse, but he also his getting lauded, receiving credit, where it's really not due, due to the fact he's the only decent, classic distance older horse out there. that doesn't make him good, any more than big brown is good because everyone else is bad!
i have been a fan of racing for 35 years. i've seen what is good- i am unwilling and unable to lower my standards so that i can somehow applaud something that really deserves no more applause or attention than the maiden 2 yos who gave me a 78 dollar ex at arlington park a couple weeks ago.
had some of curlins peers remained ( and obviously he has no control over who stays or who retires-i understand that) and made thing interesting, and he still managed to reel off these victories, i'd give him some serious credit.


but having two horses, who most years would be also rans, somehow get called something they aren't, because they are the top of a rotten heap--no, not from me.

i'm glad big brown stayed around since the tc, i'm glad curlin stayed in training. maybe others will do the same, it would be nice. with the downturn in the sales, maybe we'll see more do it as well.

did Curlin race at 2?

I like that Curlin kept racing when the others were sent to the shed too soon.

BB people are talking turf since Curlin is done with that experiment.

Couldn't agree more with this post.

[quote=Bernardini]He didn't run at 2.


Is he an excellent racehorse? Yes. He'll soon be the all time moneywinner, which says something... but he's far from a superhorse. He has exactly three career wins that really impressed me... the Preakness in a desperate rally, the BCC over a very good field, and a dominating performance in the World Cup. There have been just as many dull performances as great ones. I'm not going to lower my standards of "great horse" just because he's the last one standing in a horrifically bad year.

Horses of the last 5 years, Ghostzapper would have eaten him for breakfast at any distance on any track.