Report: Dutrow Facing Drug Positive
 

More good publicity for racing.


http://www.bloodhorse.com/article/45863.htm

The strange thing (I hadn't noticed it before) is that the Bloodhorse
is getting information from the NY Times.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/25/sp...ts&oref=slogin

Dutrow...
 

Gets a positive in Kentucky.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/25/sp...ts&oref=slogin

"Reached by phone Tuesday, Dutrow acknowledged that his horse, Salute the Count, tested positive after a second-place finish in the Grade III Aegon Turf Sprint and took responsibility."

"Veitch said the level of clenbuterol found in Salute the Count was the highest he had seen in four years as chief steward. He said the testing lab at Iowa State University said Salute the Count had 41 petragrams of the medication in his system, more than twice the level of 20 allowed in Kentucky."

"Salute the Count has won 11 times in 41 starts, but his biggest successes came two years ago when Dutrow began training him. He went from winning a $20,000 claimer to three stakes victories."

Biggest shocker of the whole story there :rolleyes:

I would think the amount is more telling then the actually positive...twice over the limit. That is kinda like driving when you have drank 15 beers. 5-6 beers and you are questionable at the level, but 15, you know you are giong to get busted if caught.

hes the {24} of the juiceing world..and he dont care ,hes got cash now

Just read about this. Seriously, can racing just get a break this year?

It doesnt deserve a break. Its a disgrace

Here's the problematic statement from John Veitch:

Veitch said the 15-day suspension and return of the purse money was the penalty for a first offense, according to Kentucky rules.

Only in racing is he viewed as a first time offender. Yet another meaningless slap on the wrist.

thinking out loud, but why couldn't the fine/penalty increase for the amount of overage. I mean listen, a couple pentagrams or whatever they measured in over and I think it is understandable, when it is an ALLOWABLE medication, but when you are twice the legal limit, you are playing games.

Could this work, like if you are 50% over the allowable limit, hit them with a 50k fine and if they are 100% over, hit them with 100k

Just throwing an option against the wall so I don't want to hear how moronic I am.

Is it any wonder Congress has to step in to this ? A ship without a rudder.

You are being completely moronic to suggest that racing might do something that makes sense.

It's probably because of maximum penalties that are already prescribed by law/regulation. In NY, for example, a recent law was passed by the legislature to up the maximum penalties for certain offenses from $5,000 per incident to $20,000 per incident.

The real penalty will be when IEAH leave him because of the negative publicity they are most certainly going to receive

Yeah that is probably correct....I really think the key is getting these state racing boards together somewhere and forming some sort of statewide racing control board where everything is in sync, medication levels are all the same, fines are prorated towards purse structure (obviously a fine at Arlington wouldn't be the same at Saratoga)

It is just like when two companies merge, gotta get them on the same page or craziness ensues

But where will they go; Patrick Biancone doesn't come off his suspension until later this year.

You are right....

It's sad to think they're not gonna make it.
But it's getting to the point
Where they just can't fake it.
For some ungodly reason
they won't let it die....

There can be no way
There can be no way
this can have a happy ending.....

Im sure IEAH will leave him (sarcastic)..... Those guys are lucky they have a guy like Dutrow to right the ship. Without certain particulars in place they would be like West Point until their lucky year. Its mindboggling how lucky they have been with as little comprehension as they have for the game. Dutrow is invaluable to IEAH's success, without him they are pretty much zeros

I love it!!

Its the truth, you cannot buy Rick Dutrow a bad horse because whatever he does works on anything. He has the magic wand, whats at the tip of that magic wand is anyones guess.

Yeah, because there is nothing else wrong in the country! :rolleyes:

Dutrow will not be training for IEAH in the near future and they will send their stock away.. They use other people already.. Ivarone and his clones will get with Dutrow and his vetinary machine in another capacity with different investors who understand the risk..

It's the same wand that Juan Rodriguez will be waving shortly.

A 50k fine? A 100k fine? Are you serious?

Freddy, they may use others but there is noway any of the others will have half the success of Dutrow. I think IEAH actually thinks they are the reason they are winning all these races. They think Dutrow is just a small piece of the puzzle, boy will they be sorry when they go somewhere else.

Who can take the IEAH horses and do what Dutrow has done for them. Dutrow put these guys on the map, be it honestly, cheating, whatever. They have bought a lot of bad horses that Dutrow has made much better than they actually are. Dutrow and his wand are the main reason for IEAH's success

That attitude is the reason that these guys have barns full of horses. We can scream our outrage and cry to Congress but that attitude is what allows these issues to not reglate themselves.

Cannon

Its not my attitude, its the truth. This industry just needs regulation. You know there is noway in hell these guys will leave Dutrow and have the same success, its impossible. With the testing the way it is now they cannot possibly leave and be as successful somewhere else. If everythings done honestly I wouldnt think that, but the way things stand there is no shot

Chuck the reason why trainers have barns full of horses is mostly due to success.. The more you win the more people want you to win with more money.. It has nothing to do with attitude.. Nobody likes to lose money and the only barns that have waiting lists for clients are the ones that have outstanding numbers..

IEAH is going to leave Dutrow IMO...

Maybe Shug is looking to leave Phipps? lol

I would laugh till I pissed if they left Dutrow. It will be a rude awakening. I hope you are right Freddy. We should be anticipating John Terranova winning G1s and international races shortly. Excellent.

I wish I could have Patrick train a horse for me..That guy is a genius..imo

Honestly I have been told that Rick Dutrow is a terrific horseman perhaps one of the best.. Unfortunately it appears that he isn't willing to rely solely on his skills. BID there are a ton of great horseman that could make IEAH work.. How about James Jerkins with a last name like Jerkins how bad could he be? lol

IEAH's decision
 

Whether he is the reason for their success or not, he may have accomplished it with the assistance of drugs that will be banned shortly. The playing field will get level. IEAH will have to dump Dutrow. I assume they may have been looking for a way to dump him. There is no question about it. There are plenty of very good trainers out there doing it without all the drugs.

He is a genius. Anyone who can only get 6 months for having cobra venom in his barn is a genius. If they caught some zero over there with cobra venom they would be flipping burgers at Wendys until they were 65

Freddy as good as Jerkins or any top guy is they simply cannot offset the wand of Dutrow. Im not saying they wouldnt win races, but they will not be as prolific as Dutrow has been.

I also think Dutrows wand could wave far past a raceday medication which everyone gives. Who says the stuff that moves these horses up such a significant amount is an extra cc of lasix, or a little extra clen.

"THE GENIUS" is banned from riding in two countries due to cheating. Funny how we tolerate these guys who don't give a crap about the animal or the sport.

Totally Agree

With what species: horses or snakes?

Absolutely not true. If people werent so concerned that they would not have the "edge" they would leave. The perception that these guys have an advantage is why owners ignore these kinds of issues. It isnt like there arent trainers out there that arent successful that dont have issues like dutrow and Assmussen. Regulation is a not going to do anything if the people who pay the bills (owners and bettors) either dont care about changing things. If you keep betting than you are sending the signal that you dont care about it. If owners dont change trainers with terrible records of violations, they are showing they dont care how they win. It is on them.

whats up with the clen + ?
 

Maybe there is a bad batch of masking agent going around?

The cobra venom was a gift from the snake hunter guy on the discovery channel.. apparently in some cultures giving snake venom from a King Cobra is the ultimate sign of respect.. It's unfair to accuse Biancone for anything other then knowing a guy who understands a special culture.. I thought everyone knew the REAL snake juice story...

I don't care how many country's have tossed him the guy is an amazing conditioner

Never liked snakes my second wife had a Boa and that should have been a warning to me that she would turn out to be bad news.. Patrick Biacone is a great horse trainer

OMG