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Kasept 05-29-2008 11:57 AM

5/31 (HOL): Milady & Californian (Gr. II's)
 
5th (3:20) Milady H. (G2)

1 1/16 Miles (All Weather Track) | Fillies and Mares | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $175,000

1 Kris' Sis Garcia J A 113 L
2 Foxysox (GB) Espinoza V 117 L
3 Model Quinonez A 113 L
4 Romance Is Diane Baze M C 118 L
5 La Tee Baze T C 113 L
6 Zenyatta Smith M E 122 L
7 Double Trouble (BRZ) Bejarano R 116 L
8 Santa Teresita Talamo J 116 L



8th (4:50) Californian S. (G2)

1 1/8 Miles (All Weather Track) | Open | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $250,000

1 Heatseeker (IRE) Bejarano R 122 L
2 Tiago Smith M E 126 L
3 Shamdinan (FR) Court J K 116 L
4 Surf Cat Solis A 118 L
5 Albertus Maximus Nakatani C S 116 L

letswastemoney 05-29-2008 12:35 PM

The Milady was the race where I first became a fan of Nashobas Key

alysheba4 05-29-2008 12:38 PM

same here, i still cant believe what happened.

RolloTomasi 05-29-2008 03:29 PM

Great renewal of the Californian. Heatseeker (Native Diver), Tiago (Swaps), and Surf Cat (Mervyn LeRoy) all own stakes wins over the track and are in top form on paper. Albertus Maximus is well thought of, having been runner-up to Tiago in the Swaps before getting his head ripped off in the Pacific Classic as a 3yo. Makes his 3rd start off a layoff with his last being an impressive allowance win over the track at short-odds. Even Shamdinan brings some back class, having a Grade 1 win on turf last year in addition to his runner-up spot in the BC Turf. Making his first start for Dan McFarlane, who I think trains privately for Triple B Farms (the horse has been with Doug O'Neill out west and Angel Penna back east). This colt will probably be last all the way around. He should probably go back to Penna who can spot him in some marathon races on off-turf back there at places like Delaware and Philly Park. I think there might even be an Atlantic City meet maybe.

Bobby Fischer 05-29-2008 03:57 PM

Go Zenyatta!

The heart of the CA. is very nice.

kind of wish they had recruited three or four more allowance level horses to participate. Who wants to bet on 5 horses?

I'm not even sure how the public/morning line will treat this. It looks like Heatseeker/Surfcat, so at least if the money is thrown at Tiago it could make for a win bet.

hoovesupsideyourhead 05-29-2008 04:04 PM

shamidain is bad.......or at least looked really bad at gs

Danzig 05-29-2008 05:46 PM

i thought they went to AWT to boost field size. yeah, it's workin'.

letswastemoney 05-29-2008 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig
i thought they went to AWT to boost field size. yeah, it's workin'.

Well...Zenyatta is in the field...

Danzig 05-29-2008 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by letswastemoney
Well...Zenyatta is in the field...

was referring to the californian with the whopping five entries.

King Glorious 05-30-2008 02:24 AM

Even though it's only five horses, it's five quality horses. Much better than a full field with only one or two of these and the usual allowance/claimers that fill the rest of the field.

letswastemoney 05-30-2008 04:11 AM

I think Heatseeker is better than Tiago on synthetics overall.

Danzig 05-30-2008 06:41 AM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious
Even though it's only five horses, it's five quality horses. Much better than a full field with only one or two of these and the usual allowance/claimers that fill the rest of the field.

i'd say it's three quality horses....albertus has an allowance win this year, with nothing of note since finishing second in last years' swaps. shamdinan has only disappointed this year.

Danzig 05-30-2008 06:43 AM

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Originally Posted by letswastemoney
I think Heatseeker is better than Tiago on synthetics overall.

tiago gets more weight this time, and will carry four more than heatseeker-i think heatseeker will avenge his loss at oaklawn.

10 pnt move up 05-30-2008 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig
tiago gets more weight this time, and will carry four more than heatseeker-i think heatseeker will avenge his loss at oaklawn.

how about 8 more then surf cat! I am not big into weights but that is a heck of a shift.

King Glorious 05-30-2008 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig
i'd say it's three quality horses....albertus has an allowance win this year, with nothing of note since finishing second in last years' swaps. shamdinan has only disappointed this year.

Probably right although with a French Derby third and a BC Turf second on his record to go with the Arlington grade one, I'd be ok with accepting Shamdinan as a quality horse. Even if it's only three though, it's better than a full field of nags.

By the way, Surf Cat beats them all.

ArlJim78 05-30-2008 12:09 PM

Shamdinan has been a total bust this year. still its an interesting race

Bigsmc 05-31-2008 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by ArlJim78
Shamdinan has been a total bust this year. still its an interesting race

And he has scratched, it's now a 4 horse race.

Coach Pants 05-31-2008 11:00 AM

Fantastic news, Bigs!!

Bigsmc 05-31-2008 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants
Fantastic news, Bigs!!

Glad I could brighten your day PP.

SCUDSBROTHER 05-31-2008 11:50 AM

Zenyatta/ Surf Cat

I can't see Tiago winning if he has to give up 8 pounds to Surf Cat. Should be a good battle between Heatseeker and Surf Cat. I think they are pretty close. Headley is doing a lot better than Hollendorfer is right now. With a short field, there is a much less chance of Solis finding trouble. Sometimes I just wonder if these guys get a bug in their barn, and it just takes a while to get it out.

tiggerv 05-31-2008 05:36 PM

She is so great.

King Glorious 05-31-2008 05:43 PM

Yaaaawn. Talk about your foregone conclusions. I hope they don't waste anymore of her efforts in female races. She needs to be in the Hollywood Gold Cup.

Theatrical 05-31-2008 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious
Yaaaawn. Talk about your foregone conclusions. I hope they don't waste anymore of her efforts in female races. She needs to be in the Hollywood Gold Cup.

1. Call John Sherriffs and tell him you disapprove of how he's handling Zenyatta. Your suggestion on another board regarding Lukas is a joke. There's a few reasons why her connections have handled her this way and if you ever bothered to read any of the articles, you might get a clue. I doubt it, though. You know zero about horses and your posts continue to illuminate that fact. Lukas would have run this filly into the ground by now, but that means nothing to you. I'd have thought you'd like this filly. You're all about wins only, aren't you? Trash 'em when they lose.

2. Your classless remark also on another forum where you hope she misses the rest of the year if they don't run her against the boys removes all of my doubt that you are of the same cloth as Dutrow. No wonder you think he's cool.

3. Don't watch her races. There's quite a few of us that recognize what a special horse she is and understand the patience her connections have demonstrated at this point. Don't get that? See Item No. 1.

4. I'm glad you don't like her. Maybe she'll go undefeated.

CSC 05-31-2008 07:39 PM

A couple of good performances today, if only the fields were not so small and there were better betting opportunities.

blackthroatedwind 05-31-2008 08:02 PM

I like Surf Cat a lot as a horse, and Tiago a bit as well, but I have to say, and I said it two weeks ago, that both should have run in the Met Mile. Either could have won.

10 pnt move up 05-31-2008 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
I like Surf Cat a lot as a horse, and Tiago a bit as well, but I have to say, and I said it two weeks ago, that both should have run in the Met Mile. Either could have won.

they dont listen to me of course but I have been saying Tiago is a mile type horse and not a true distance horse.

I do like the idea of the whitney, that race tends to have alot of pace in it, something he wont get out west, and Tiago is better on dirt, no doubt about that.

blackthroatedwind 05-31-2008 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up
they dont listen to me of course but I have been saying Tiago is a mile type horse and not a true distance horse.

I do like the idea of the whitney, that race tends to have alot of pace in it, something he wont get out west, and Tiago is better on dirt, no doubt about that.


They are crazy if they don't come for the Whitney....especially if Curlin doesn't go.

He would have had a huge shot in the Met. But you know I thought that before the race.

CSC 05-31-2008 09:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
I like Surf Cat a lot as a horse, and Tiago a bit as well, but I have to say, and I said it two weeks ago, that both should have run in the Met Mile. Either could have won.

Tiago is a very nice horse, not sure a 1 turn mile is his best trip but I agree he would have made the Met Mile very interesting.

CSC 05-31-2008 09:13 PM

Obcourse if everything was good with Midnight Lute, he would have looked good in the Met Mile also. This one's a big ?

jcs11204 05-31-2008 09:18 PM

how good is heatseeker ? he is a giants causeway

Bobby Fischer 05-31-2008 09:55 PM

I had the Californian exacta for a dollar.

10 pnt move up 05-31-2008 09:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jcs11204
how good is heatseeker ? he is a giants causeway

Heatseaker seems pretty good to me, he ran fast at santa anita, oaklawn and then today.

RolloTomasi 05-31-2008 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up
Heatseaker seems pretty good to me, he ran fast at santa anita, oaklawn and then today.

Haven't revisited it in the video archives, but on paper, his San Diego run at Del Mar might need to be reviewed. He came from just off the pace to make the lead into the stretch before wilting into 5th. I'd imagine this is where Frankel gave up on him as far as being a route horse, but in retrospect, now knowing some of the nuances between these synthetic surfaces, I wonder if this wasn't a "hidden" good race. I assume you followed the Del Mar meet somewhat closely, what's your opinion of that effort in hindsight (the point being the Pacific Classic is likely a main target for this horse this summer)?

jcs11204 06-01-2008 10:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi
Haven't revisited it in the video archives, but on paper, his San Diego run at Del Mar might need to be reviewed. He came from just off the pace to make the lead into the stretch before wilting into 5th. I'd imagine this is where Frankel gave up on him as far as being a route horse, but in retrospect, now knowing some of the nuances between these synthetic surfaces, I wonder if this wasn't a "hidden" good race. I assume you followed the Del Mar meet somewhat closely, what's your opinion of that effort in hindsight (the point being the Pacific Classic is likely a main target for this horse this summer)?


he seems legit to me, even if curlin and big brown are in the classic, i give heatseeker a shot

10 pnt move up 06-01-2008 11:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi
Haven't revisited it in the video archives, but on paper, his San Diego run at Del Mar might need to be reviewed. He came from just off the pace to make the lead into the stretch before wilting into 5th. I'd imagine this is where Frankel gave up on him as far as being a route horse, but in retrospect, now knowing some of the nuances between these synthetic surfaces, I wonder if this wasn't a "hidden" good race. I assume you followed the Del Mar meet somewhat closely, what's your opinion of that effort in hindsight (the point being the Pacific Classic is likely a main target for this horse this summer)?

Video does not show up for him that far back on Calreplays but what you describe was the death move at Del Mar last year, any sustained run that began on the turn ended up in defeat. If I owned him I would point to a dirt race back east instead of running at del mar, in fact thats my advice for most stake horses. I would not run Tiago there, or Zenyatta, heck anything I thought was a nice horse.


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