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philcski 05-27-2008 12:18 PM

A Reason to Root...
 
for Big Brown in the Belmont.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/2008...uit_of_be.html

fpsoxfan 05-27-2008 12:34 PM

Great story!

MisterB 05-27-2008 12:45 PM

Great stuff!!!!!!!!!

Oaklawnfan 05-27-2008 01:05 PM

That completes the Triple Crown storyline. A "feel good" addition to Big Brown's attempt to make history. Anytime there's a motivating cause, beyond greed or notoriety, it's a good thing.

ateamstupid 05-27-2008 03:11 PM

Does not compute.. Only programmed to hate IEAH..

Hickory Hill Hoff 05-27-2008 03:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fpsoxfan
Great story!

and for you.....$40 :D

HaloWishingwell 05-27-2008 03:35 PM

I want to announce every dollar I bet during The Belmont will be donated to NYRA.

Sightseek 05-27-2008 03:37 PM

I think his sheer awesomeness is enough reason! ;)

fpsoxfan 05-27-2008 03:39 PM

I'm thinking about kicking in a buck for every beer I drink that day.

slotdirt 05-27-2008 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by fpsoxfan
I'm thinking about kicking in a buck for every beer I drink that day.

Great gesture, but I'm not sure how far three or four dollars will go in this instance.

AeWingnut 05-27-2008 04:33 PM

I didn't know that Dutrow drove a mercedes

ateamstupid 05-27-2008 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by AeWingnut
I didn't know that Dutrow drove a mercedes

I'm surprised the guy doesn't drive a freaking Bugatti with all the big races he's won.

Hickory Hill Hoff 05-27-2008 04:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slotdirt
Great gesture, but I'm not sure how far three or four dollars will go in this instance.

Three or four dollars? Hell, it would be pretty close to the $40 he might win.

Hickory Hill Hoff 05-27-2008 04:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fpsoxfan
I'm thinking about kicking in a buck for every beer I drink that day.

I'll equal that ;)

Payson Dave 05-27-2008 04:56 PM

Link to a blog with details on BB quarter crack issue...
http://hoofcare.blogspot.com/

Quiet Chris 05-27-2008 07:10 PM

I get a little annoyed when owners go to the press with things like this. It basically is a group trying to work on it's image with something like this. They just pocketed millions, couldn't they have just offered money privately instead of saying they would give part of winnings from the horse?

There are many people in the business that do good things that don't go looking for credit. Many trainers do things like provide places to live for guys that work on the backstretch that were injured.

I think many people would have provided money for this family because he is a policeman. Things are already set up to help them. It is the people that you never hear about that need the help. But I guess you don't get in the dailynews by doing things quietly.

IrishofNDMan 05-27-2008 07:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quiet Chris
I get a little annoyed when owners go to the press with things like this. It basically is a group trying to work on it's image with something like this. They just pocketed millions, couldn't they have just offered money privately instead of saying they would give part of winnings from the horse?

There are many people in the business that do good things that don't go looking for credit. Many trainers do things like provide places to live for guys that work on the backstretch that were injured.

I think many people would have provided money for this family because he is a policeman. Things are already set up to help them. It is the people that you never hear about that need the help. But I guess you don't get in the dailynews by doing things quietly.

they were just trying to give a good story and reason for Belmont Day and Big Brown, nothing at all wrong with that.

freddymo 05-27-2008 07:49 PM

Yeah I heard Ivarone set up a foundation for the cop. He will manage the fund and ONLY chop 20% of the donations for his efforts...Look a man has to earn whenever an opportunity presents itself.. The guy is a sweetheart..lol

I guess anything going to the poor cop is helpful..Just hard to believe anything they say or do isnt jaded..

Quiet Chris 05-27-2008 08:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IrishofNDMan
they were just trying to give a good story and reason for Belmont Day and Big Brown, nothing at all wrong with that.

Give quietly if you really are interesting in helping. You don't have to turn tragedies into public relations events. If the beneficiary wants to make it public ok, but going to the press and saying you will give part of the horses winning to somebody is really nothing more than a way of trying to get the public to root for your horse.

Rileyoriley 05-27-2008 08:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quiet Chris
Give quietly if you really are interesting in helping. You don't have to turn tragedies into public relations events. If the beneficiary wants to make it public ok, but going to the press and saying you will give part of the horses winning to somebody is really nothing more than a way of trying to get the public to root for your horse.


My feelings exactly.

stareagle 05-27-2008 08:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quiet Chris
Give quietly if you really are interesting in helping. You don't have to turn tragedies into public relations events. If the beneficiary wants to make it public ok, but going to the press and saying you will give part of the horses winning to somebody is really nothing more than a way of trying to get the public to root for your horse.

I get what you are saying, but what if getting involved in a public manner can help raise more money? Look at how much the Afleet Alex's connection helped raise for the Lemonade Stands.

I agree that IEAH is doing this for the publicity, but if that helps raise money for a good cause, it might be a win-win.

Quiet Chris 05-27-2008 09:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stareagle
I get what you are saying, but what if getting involved in a public manner can help raise more money? Look at how much the Afleet Alex's connection helped raise for the Lemonade Stands.

I agree that IEAH is doing this for the publicity, but if that helps raise money for a good cause, it might be a win-win.

I have no problem with that, especially with issues like cancer.

I get very irritated though when guys like IEAH or Jayeff B Stable's Richard Santulli get involved with giving money to things that the government is responsible for. The government is responsible for taking care of a policeman's family. When wealthy guys do things for pr reasons it makes it look like this is not the responsibility of government.

I like Richard Santulli. What he did with the Intrepid Fallen Heroes rehab center for soldiers in TX was nice, but these guys do these things for pr reasons and they want to make it like it is not the government's job to take care of injured soldiers.

It is nice Santulli got to pat himself on the back for helping raise $40 million for a rehab center, and his buddy Don Imus patted himself on the back every chance he got, but what they actually do by raising this type of money is let the government off the hook. They are well aware of this too. They seem to want to send this message that government money shouldn't be used to build rehab centers. They know what they are doing hurts the troops in the long run and they don't seem to care if that conflicts with the pr they are looking for.

IrishofNDMan 05-27-2008 09:20 PM

I don't give two sh1ts if they keep it quiet or not, the money is for a great cause regardless and is awesome in my book no matter what the circumstance. Maybe I'm a little bias seeing as how both of my bro-in-laws are police officers.

philcski 05-27-2008 09:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quiet Chris
I get a little annoyed when owners go to the press with things like this. It basically is a group trying to work on it's image with something like this. They just pocketed millions, couldn't they have just offered money privately instead of saying they would give part of winnings from the horse?

There are many people in the business that do good things that don't go looking for credit. Many trainers do things like provide places to live for guys that work on the backstretch that were injured.

I think many people would have provided money for this family because he is a policeman. Things are already set up to help them. It is the people that you never hear about that need the help. But I guess you don't get in the dailynews by doing things quietly.

Let's get something straight that I've been keeping to myself... I don't personally like Iavarone and IEAH much. First of all, his supposed "millions earned on Wall Street" as an "investment banker" are a complete and total hoax. He worked at Joseph Dillon & Co, which was the absolute definition of chop shop brokerage house- i.e., the reason Securities Laws in this country are so heavily regulated. They were shut down for multiple violations of the Securities Act of 1934- which to paraphrase the linked subpoena, states among several other things they failed to use recorded lines [a standard practice] with prospective and existing customers (which means they used half-truths, threats, and other propaganda to deceit their "clients".)
All of their brokers were stripped of NASD licensing and the firm was dissolved.
http://www.sec.gov/litigation/opinions/34-43523.htm

Second, the whole A One Rocket situation left me beyond angry. I don't care to rehash the story again, but here is what happened if you wish to read:
http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/sho...1&postcount=12

Third, in their rise to prominence, they have not conducted business in the most honorable manner. The person who recommended and brokered the aquisition of one of their highest profile horses was never compensated properly for the transaction.

But the fact is now that they've reached the highest echelons, they are trying very hard to do good things for the game, including building a veterinary hospital next to Belmont Park (to the tune of $19 million). I'm willing to forgive some of the previous misdoings in light of their current attempts to reconcile, which I have no problem with them bringing public given the nature of the case.

Round Pen 05-27-2008 09:31 PM

You got to be kiddin Me Quiet Chris you really think that someone is going to see that IEAH's guys donated money to the family of a serious injured officer they are going to think the Goverment is not taking care of them. Give me a friggin Break.

Thats what gets my goat with all the negative publicity that this great sport has been recieving (which I have been involved in for 25 years) Someone steps up to the plate and you immedietely determine that this is a PR stunt and they should keep there mouth shut if they went to donate their money.

it is a shame this story is not in more papers accross the country. this great sport of ours needs all the positive press we can get.

IrishofNDMan 05-27-2008 09:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by philcski
Let's get something straight that I've been keeping to myself... I don't personally like Iavarone and IEAH much. First of all, his supposed "millions earned on Wall Street" as an "investment banker" are a complete and total hoax. He worked at Joseph Dillon & Co, which was the absolute definition of chop shop brokerage house- i.e., the reason Securities Laws in this country are so heavily regulated. They were shut down for multiple violations of the Securities Act of 1934- which to paraphrase the linked subpoena, states among several other things they failed to use recorded lines [a standard practice] with prospective and existing customers (which means they used half-truths, threats, and other propaganda to deceit their "clients".)
All of their brokers were stripped of NASD licensing and the firm was dissolved.
http://www.sec.gov/litigation/opinions/34-43523.htm

Second, the whole A One Rocket situation left me beyond angry. I don't care to rehash the story again, but here is what happened if you wish to read:
http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/sho...1&postcount=12

Third, in their rise to prominence, they have not conducted business in the most honorable manner. The person who recommended and brokered the aquisition of one of their highest profile horses was never compensated properly for the transaction.

But the fact is now that they've reached the highest echelons, they are trying very hard to do good things for the game, including building a veterinary hospital next to Belmont Park (to the tune of $19 million). I'm willing to forgive some of the previous misdoings in light of their current attempts to reconcile, which I have no problem with them bringing public given the nature of the case.

so A One Rocket went on to win the race? Read the story but am still a little confused.

philcski 05-27-2008 09:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IrishofNDMan
so A One Rocket went on to win the race? Read the story but am still a little confused.

Yes, he won for fun... and as most of the betting world could figure, he was found to be 'milkshaked'.

Quiet Chris 05-27-2008 11:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by philcski
Let's get something straight that I've been keeping to myself... I don't personally like Iavarone and IEAH much. First of all, his supposed "millions earned on Wall Street" as an "investment banker" are a complete and total hoax. He worked at Joseph Dillon & Co, which was the absolute definition of chop shop brokerage house- i.e., the reason Securities Laws in this country are so heavily regulated. They were shut down for multiple violations of the Securities Act of 1934- which to paraphrase the linked subpoena, states among several other things they failed to use recorded lines [a standard practice] with prospective and existing customers (which means they used half-truths, threats, and other propaganda to deceit their "clients".)
All of their brokers were stripped of NASD licensing and the firm was dissolved.
http://www.sec.gov/litigation/opinions/34-43523.htm

Second, the whole A One Rocket situation left me beyond angry. I don't care to rehash the story again, but here is what happened if you wish to read:
http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/sho...1&postcount=12

Third, in their rise to prominence, they have not conducted business in the most honorable manner. The person who recommended and brokered the aquisition of one of their highest profile horses was never compensated properly for the transaction.

But the fact is now that they've reached the highest echelons, they are trying very hard to do good things for the game, including building a veterinary hospital next to Belmont Park (to the tune of $19 million). I'm willing to forgive some of the previous misdoings in light of their current attempts to reconcile, which I have no problem with them bringing public given the nature of the case.

The hospital they are building is a for-profit hospital.

And I don't forgive people that make their money in chop shops screwing the average guy usually out of retirement money because they contribute some money to a charity.

Bad people give money and make it public because they want people to think they are good. Just ask Michael Milken. Don't like Milken than use the former Curlin owners. IEAH is just doing the same thing.

"There are many bizarre aspects of the story behind the three Fen Phen lawyers on criminal trial for alleging bilking their clients out of $65 million of settlement money. The most well-reported oddity is that two of the lawyers used settlement funds to invest in the race horse, Curlin. But how about their decision to donate $20 million of the $200 million settlement to a charitable fund — called the Kentucky Fund For Healthy Living"

Sightseek 05-28-2008 08:50 AM

I got a present for you all :)

http://www.horsehats.com/Images/Hats...ShirtLarge.gif

zippyneedsawin 05-28-2008 08:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sightseek

dear God....

Sightseek 05-28-2008 08:57 AM

:D

stonegossard 05-28-2008 09:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by philcski
Let's get something straight that I've been keeping to myself... I don't personally like Iavarone and IEAH much. First of all, his supposed "millions earned on Wall Street" as an "investment banker" are a complete and total hoax. He worked at Joseph Dillon & Co, which was the absolute definition of chop shop brokerage house- i.e., the reason Securities Laws in this country are so heavily regulated. They were shut down for multiple violations of the Securities Act of 1934- which to paraphrase the linked subpoena, states among several other things they failed to use recorded lines [a standard practice] with prospective and existing customers (which means they used half-truths, threats, and other propaganda to deceit their "clients".)
All of their brokers were stripped of NASD licensing and the firm was dissolved.
http://www.sec.gov/litigation/opinions/34-43523.htm

Second, the whole A One Rocket situation left me beyond angry. I don't care to rehash the story again, but here is what happened if you wish to read:
http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/sho...1&postcount=12

Third, in their rise to prominence, they have not conducted business in the most honorable manner. The person who recommended and brokered the aquisition of one of their highest profile horses was never compensated properly for the transaction.

But the fact is now that they've reached the highest echelons, they are trying very hard to do good things for the game, including building a veterinary hospital next to Belmont Park (to the tune of $19 million). I'm willing to forgive some of the previous misdoings in light of their current attempts to reconcile, which I have no problem with them bringing public given the nature of the case.


I think people need to watch the movie Boiler Room to find out the kind of "Wall Street" career these scumbags have had.


While the idea of a hospital is nice....Iavarone on tv said they are in it to make profits. I figured this dirtbag was in it for the money.

That being said the thing with the cop is very cool and I was shocked when I saw that IEAH was behind it.

GBBob 05-28-2008 09:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sightseek


Freddy..you making these?

freddymo 05-28-2008 09:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GBBob
Freddy..you making these?

I am making something for Modell's sporting goods.. We are trying to get the concept approved..I think I will convinced Mitchell Modell to donate a lot of the profit to the Cop's charity as well.

GBBob 05-28-2008 09:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by freddymo
I am making something for Modell's sporting goods.. We are trying to get the concept approved..I think I will convinced Mitchell Modell to donate a lot of the profit to the Cop's charity as well.

cool..good luck

philcski 05-28-2008 10:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stonegossard
I think people need to watch the movie Boiler Room to find out the kind of "Wall Street" career these scumbags have had.


While the idea of a hospital is nice....Iavarone on tv said they are in it to make profits. I figured this dirtbag was in it for the money.

That being said the thing with the cop is very cool and I was shocked when I saw that IEAH was behind it.

Exactly the picture that should be painted.


The hospital, I'm questionable on how profitable this venture will actually be. Doesn't seem like a huge moneymaker to me, I could be completely wrong- but someone had to put up the startup money and take the risk, if it saves a couple horses that would have otherwise been euthanized my hats off to them.


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