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Kasept 05-25-2008 07:12 AM

5/25: Belmont (5th-10th; C/O)
 
More or less took Saturday off, but was struck watching the day's races at the continual value in the P4 pools. At Arlington in the late P4, ATR house capper Gus Alonso gave you the three toughest-to-find winners, and the wager brought back $8,666 for $1. The parlay was $2,900. Amazing..

P6 carryovers at Belmont ($56k) and Hollywood ($117k) Sunday.. Like the Belmont series and feel like trying to use 2 singles is the right approach...


BELMONT PARK


5th: MDN CLM, F&M-3+, 6.5f (P6, P3)

Most Likely: #1 (POE) SCR #1a goes WON
Best Value: #9 Philosophizer 15-1 4th
Next Best: #6 Lovely Wildcat 6-1 3rd
Exotics Add: #5 SCR


6th: NYB-ALW/N1x, F&M-3+, 6f-IT (G/S, P3, DD, Super)

Frankel returnee looks like a must-single as a quagmire lies beyond her..

Most Likely: #4 HEATHER'S ANGEL 2-1 5th
Best Value: #10 Lost Without You 12-1 WON
Next Best: #7 Nordberg 4-1 11th
Exotics Add: #9 Twistaway 8-1 10th


7th: MSW, F&M-3+, 8.5f-T (P4, P3)

Most Likely: #5 Receipt 3-1 WON
Next Best: #7 Grand Advice 7-2 7th
Best Value: #4 Great Thought 5-1 5th
Exotics Add: #9 Lanai 8-1 8th

$1 Pick 3 (1/10/5) Paid $233.50


8th: NYB-OC/N2X, 3+, 6f-IT (P3, Super)

Most Likely: #5 CAN'T REFUSE 6-1 2nd
Best Value: #6 Mondo Diverso 12-1 9th
Next Best: #7 Russian Sage 8-1 WON
Exotics Add: #9 Posted 12-1 3rd

$1 Exacta (7-5) Paid $51.50
$1 Trifecta (7-5-9) Paid $519.50
$1 Pick 3 (10/5/7) Paid $346.50



9th: 58th Vagrancy (Gr. II), F&M-3+, 6.5f (DD)

Scratch #1 Bedside Story, but that's not much help in very tricky version of NY standard for sprinting distaffers. Dream Rush working well for return, but new in the game owner has been 'unlucky', and former West Point miss needs to be at her best today. Jerkens has been cleverly working Any Limit up to this, while Dutrow's Looky Yonder turns around quick but is a serious threat on best. Baroness Thatcher was dead game just missing to Intangaroo Derby Day, and even Sangrita, an also ran in previous stakes tries, is hardly impossible here..

Best Value: #4 Any Limit 10-1 4th
Most Likely: #3 Dream Rush 4-5 2nd
Next Best: #6 Baroness Thatcher 3-1 3rd


10th: CLM/N3L, F&M-3+, 8.5f-T (Super)

Most Likely: #3 Eulogize 5-1 2nd
Next Best: #7 Bella Attrice WON
Next Best: #5 Fiddler's Princess 6-1 3rd
Exotics Add: #10 Dance Lesson 20-1 4th

$2 Exacta (7-3) Paid $17.00
$1 Trifecta Box Paid $27.50
$1 Superfecta (7-3-5-10) Paid $386.50



<$250 P4 Play:

5: 1-3-6-9
6: 4
7: 4-5-7
8: 5
9: 2-3-4-5-6
10: 3-7

4x1x3x1x5x2 = 120 x $2 = $240


Good luck!
Steve

Kasept 05-25-2008 01:04 PM

http://www.equibase.com/premium/changes/BEL-changes.asp

fpsoxfan 05-25-2008 01:11 PM

Great Job Andy
 
If anyone was watching the Nyra feed this morning, you would have noticed that Andy gave out the 1st race triple cold for 300 and the exacta for 100.
Me, being a moron keyed the 1 and the 6 on top of the 1-2-6.
It came in 6-2-1. Nice work Andy!

kenny p 05-25-2008 02:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fpsoxfan
If anyone was watching the Nyra feed this morning, you would have noticed that Andy gave out the 1st race triple cold for 300 and the exacta for 100.
Me, being a moron keyed the 1 and the 6 on top of the 1-2-6.
It came in 6-2-1. Nice work Andy!

Where do you watch the nyra feed? Thanks KP

fpsoxfan 05-25-2008 03:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kenny p
Where do you watch the nyra feed? Thanks KP

Right on the capital otb channel. I'm not sure what they call it now. It's the Sunday handicapper show that Andy's been on for the past few weeks.

kenny p 05-25-2008 03:19 PM

Thanks ..I am on Long I. We dont get that. Can it be watched online?

Bigsmc 05-25-2008 03:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kenny p
Where do you watch the nyra feed? Thanks KP

Do you bet through an ADW? If so, that is where you can see the track feed.

I watched a bit of it on Youbet today.

the_fat_man 05-25-2008 03:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Hopefully NYRA puts it online, because I know more than a few people that like to watch it, especially with BTW being on it now.

Here's hoping we get similar UPGRADES in the video and chartmaking department.

the_fat_man 05-25-2008 03:56 PM

That was a very betable horse.

kenny p 05-25-2008 04:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bigsmc
Do you bet through an ADW? If so, that is where you can see the track feed.

I watched a bit of it on Youbet today.

I bet through nyra rewards. I'll try to see if I can watch it on Youbet. Thanks KP

Kasept 05-25-2008 04:22 PM

Late 4.. $72

7: 4-5-7-8
8: 5-6-7
9: 2-4-6
10: 3-7

Kasept 05-25-2008 04:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
I phucked it up royally of course. I believe BTW gave that horse out as well this morning.

I missed out on the straight play too. Liked as best value and tried to single Heather's Angel who I fell in love with...

mclem10011 05-25-2008 04:30 PM

Steve.....
 
Nice call on Receipt.

the_fat_man 05-25-2008 04:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
I phucked it up royally of course. I believe BTW gave that horse out as well this morning.

This is yet another one of those situations where the horse was a play off my charts but I couldn't pull the trigger after watching the replay of her last race.

I don't know about today, but last time BTW did the show, he mentioned that Sweet Madness' last race looked better because the runner up might've moved too soon.

Well, I don't think that Lost Without You moved too soon last out but she was widest, chasing a horse that held for 3rd, and got last moved by a horse that got a better tip.

I bash Hill quite a bit but this was a very nice ride today. He got her from the 10 hole to the rail by early turn and sucked along until he came out entering, and drew off. He doesn't win if he stays outside like last time.

Kasept 05-25-2008 04:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mclem10011
Nice call on Receipt.

Thx.. Why couldn't I have fallen in love THERE as the single...?

Kasept 05-25-2008 04:59 PM

Great job by Kent holding the 1 after breaking through the gate...

Kasept 05-25-2008 05:01 PM

Didn't miss this one!

the_fat_man 05-25-2008 05:10 PM

Is that really the best they can do for the turf sprint headon stretch run?

Does NYRA own a zoom lens?

The 5 appeared to lack room till very late per the pan shot but it's impossible to see any of this in the headon as the view is much too distant.

ArlJim78 05-25-2008 05:13 PM

i don't get all the action on Any Limit. she hasn't finished well in her last three and her best racing seems to happen at GP.

Bigsmc 05-25-2008 05:37 PM

Carryover.

ateamstupid 05-25-2008 05:40 PM

Double carryover. :D

Looking forward to getting to work on the six, although it looks tough at first glance.

ArlJim78 05-25-2008 05:43 PM

amazing that it carried again,
these pk4's are really nice though.

ateamstupid 05-25-2008 05:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ArlJim78
amazing that it carried again,
these pk4's are really nice though.

Considering the prices, I don't think it's amazing. Or did you mean going into the day, it didn't look like it'd carry?

Kasept 05-25-2008 05:50 PM

$239,000

ArlJim78 05-25-2008 05:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ateamstupid
Considering the prices, I don't think it's amazing. Or did you mean going into the day, it didn't look like it'd carry?

yeah, just going in I thought it would be hitable, not with what has come in.

hoovesupsideyourhead 05-25-2008 05:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ateamstupid
Double carryover. :D

Looking forward to getting to work on the six, although it looks tough at first glance.

not for you

ateamstupid 05-25-2008 06:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead
not for you

Not tough for me, or the carryover is not for me? LOL.

Kasept 05-25-2008 06:07 PM

KA-BOOM!! Baby...

hoovesupsideyourhead 05-25-2008 06:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ateamstupid
Not tough for me, or the carryover is not for me? LOL.

not tough for you.. if me you and steve were back at the round table..it would be all over.

mclem10011 05-25-2008 06:11 PM

Thank you very much Steve........
 
My $1 pick 3 play $6 ticket returns $193!:)

Kasept 05-25-2008 06:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mclem10011
My $1 pick 3 play $6 ticket returns $193!:)

Mc..

My pleasure... Glad you did well. I had a nice day too!

blackthroatedwind 05-25-2008 10:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the_fat_man
This is yet another one of those situations where the horse was a play off my charts but I couldn't pull the trigger after watching the replay of her last race.

I don't know about today, but last time BTW did the show, he mentioned that Sweet Madness' last race looked better because the runner up might've moved too soon.

Well, I don't think that Lost Without You moved too soon last out but she was widest, chasing a horse that held for 3rd, and got last moved by a horse that got a better tip.

I bash Hill quite a bit but this was a very nice ride today. He got her from the 10 hole to the rail by early turn and sucked along until he came out entering, and drew off. He doesn't win if he stays outside like last time.


We just disagree about wides. While she did lose some ground last time she was compromised by a severely overaggressive ride last time.

She got a brilliant ride today.

Did you catch the performances by Kent in the 7th and 8th? They were Hall of Fame of Ineptitude rides. He shouldn't be riding. He is totally screwed up over Big Brown.

blackthroatedwind 05-25-2008 10:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fpsoxfan
If anyone was watching the Nyra feed this morning, you would have noticed that Andy gave out the 1st race triple cold for 300 and the exacta for 100.
Me, being a moron keyed the 1 and the 6 on top of the 1-2-6.
It came in 6-2-1. Nice work Andy!


It came in 6-1a-2. I actually did well.

Thanks.

the_fat_man 05-25-2008 11:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
We just disagree about wides. While she did lose some ground last time she was compromised by a severely overaggressive ride last time.

She got a brilliant ride today.

Did you catch the performances by Kent in the 7th and 8th? They were Hall of Fame of Ineptitude rides. He shouldn't be riding. He is totally screwed up over Big Brown.

I don't think the ride was overaggressive. When Hill bid, he was in hand, and he actually backed up almost 2 lengths between the 1st and 2nd call while the pacesetter drew off. However, the horse, no doubt, got the worst of it. What kept me from betting was her terrible action after she got the lead. If I could've counted on Hill getting the rail by the turn and drafting, I'd have bet out. And I'd certainly have bet my house that she'd run faster than the colts in the 8th, and run her last 1/8th a few hundreths faster than the previous one. In other words, she ran just a little bit better than last time.

I didn't think much of Equally. As it was, I had my own issues in the 7th with Gomez, essentially emulating Kent and never getting clear; and with Maragh in the 8th --- if he gets clear earlier he probably wins.

blackthroatedwind 05-25-2008 11:28 PM

Gomez didn't distinguish himself in the 7th either.....you're right. I need to watch the 8th a few more times.

We will have to agree to disagree about Lost Without You's last ride. Bottom line is that while he was obviously a good play at the price he got as good a ride as a horse can get.

ArlJim78 05-25-2008 11:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Did you catch the performances by Kent in the 7th and 8th? They were Hall of Fame of Ineptitude rides. He shouldn't be riding. He is totally screwed up over Big Brown.

i was thinking the same thing today. suddenly he's looking around and back under his arms on every ride, ala Big Brown.

the_fat_man 05-25-2008 11:32 PM

Agree.

As for Equally. I was interested in her last out at KEE but didn't play because of the price. What soured me on her was the fact that she ran 43 feet LESS than the winner (the 3rd horse ran 64 feet less), per Trakus.

P.S. How does CLement ride Castellano back after what he did to Les Antiques last out?


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