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Split Rock 05-20-2008 01:42 AM

Best handicapping angles
 
I'm curious what you all consider the most important factors when handicapping a race.

For example, I tend to lean towards class and competition as a starting point.

justindew 05-20-2008 07:46 AM

Highest last-race Beyer.

And a win over the track.

Third career start is also a plus.

zippyneedsawin 05-20-2008 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by justindew
Highest last-race Beyer.

And a win over the track.

Third career start is also a plus.

Japan shippers.. that's my strongest angle.

justindew 05-20-2008 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by zippyneedsawin
Japan shippers.. that's my strongest angle.

Not as strong as "Desormeaux Off".

zippyneedsawin 05-20-2008 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by justindew
Not as strong as "Desormeaux Off".

LOL!! You know, at one time, that wasn't a bad angle!

miraja2 05-20-2008 07:54 AM

I bet on any horse that is likely to cross-fire while running in a straight line.

TheSpyder 05-20-2008 07:59 AM

1. 3YO's trying turf for first time with grass breeding.
2. Horses with back class and poor form going favorite distance or track for first time in a long time.
3. Horses with bad trips
4. DT stable horses...unreal in the money %!

Payson Dave 05-20-2008 08:02 AM

Serling's Dunce Cap selections...and of course nothing but chalk

hoovesupsideyourhead 05-20-2008 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Payson Dave
Serling's Dunce Cap selections...and of course nothing but chalk

ooooooo!!!!

Thunder Gulch 05-20-2008 08:35 AM

Fastest horse
Grey's
Long necks

cakes44 05-20-2008 08:54 AM

Mike Smith up and his mount with first-time blinkers.

geeker2 05-20-2008 09:00 AM

Any horse first time goggles

2 Dollar Bill 05-20-2008 09:22 AM

Not sure what tracks you mean.. but If its Kentucky...

A) Turn ON the puter

B) Type in www.derbytrail.com

C) Go to the selections section

D) Find Hooves Selections

E) Hit the ""Print"" button

F) Take them to the window & bet

G) Find a comfortable seat & watch your Money Grow !


The best angle I know !!!!! :cool:

jballscalls 05-20-2008 09:31 AM

Lone Speed,
2nd time routing,
good turn time,
class,
TVG checkmarks.

Cannon Shell 05-20-2008 09:35 AM

Corey black off

SniperSB23 05-20-2008 09:36 AM

Mike Luzzi and Raul Rojas at Saratoga. Those guys were money for me last year.

King Glorious 05-20-2008 09:42 AM

When a trainer has a really strong contender and places another horse in the race with much longer odds, I play the longer shot to win and box the exacta always.

When a trainer has entries in several big races in different parts of the country or world, I lean towards the horses at the location where he actually is. Trainers like to get their picture taken. Back in his heyday, when Lukas was running multiple strings all over the place, where he was was where he felt he had the best chance of winning. If he was in a suit instead of jeans and a shirt, it was a lock.

When Pletcher has a horse in a race and JVelasquez rides another horse, I like to bet the horse JV is riding.

GPK 05-20-2008 09:43 AM

betting against anything Scavs touts

Scav 05-20-2008 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by GPK
betting against anything Scavs touts

Not recently, I have OWNED Arlington since the start of the meet.

brianwspencer 05-20-2008 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by GPK
betting against anything Brian touts

ftfy.

I have hit exactly ONE wager of any substance so far this meet.

I'll try to post more picks so you can toss them.

GPK 05-20-2008 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Scav
Not recently, I have OWNED Arlington since the start of the meet.


I can use one finger to count the number you have given me:eek:

Scav 05-20-2008 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by GPK
I can use one finger to count the number you have given me:eek:

That is because I almost swept the card on Saturday, Sunday I was hot until my Yanez horse got beat by a bad trip Douglas/Block horse for $2500....

I don't have time to call you every race and give you the winner :)

Coach Pants 05-20-2008 10:02 AM

Auto-toss jockeys with matching yellow lambos.

cakes44 05-20-2008 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23
Mike Luzzi and Raul Rojas at Saratoga. Those guys were money for me last year.

Classic.

GPK 05-20-2008 10:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scav
That is because I almost swept the card on Saturday, Sunday I was hot until my Yanez horse got beat by a bad trip Douglas/Block horse for $2500....

I don't have time to call you every race and give you the winner :)


You don't have a damn thing else to do...:)

Cannon Shell 05-20-2008 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav
That is because I almost swept the card on Saturday, Sunday I was hot until my Yanez horse got beat by a bad trip Douglas/Block horse for $2500....

I don't have time to call you every race and give you the winner :)

Did I not tell you Yanez is a throwout every time!!!!

MISTERGEE 05-20-2008 02:37 PM

from memory isnt he historically around 5%

Scav 05-20-2008 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by MISTERGEE
from memory isnt he historically around 5%

Yanez always has a period near the start of the meet where he gets HOT as can be, hotter then Catalano, and I have been trying to time it this year and I have gotten two 2nds out of it, one at 30/1 and another at 5/2, both tied to large scores, I made out ok on the 30/1 because I had the winner also, but got smoked when I got nosed on Sunday.....

MISTERGEE 05-20-2008 03:44 PM

isnt hotter than catalano approaching 100%?

Scav 05-20-2008 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by MISTERGEE
isnt hotter than catalano approaching 100%?

No, although I know a couple people that witnessed the first blow up of the meet when he lost the 9th race this Sunday....

hoovesupsideyourhead 05-20-2008 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav
No, although I know a couple people that witnessed the first blow up of the meet when he lost the 9th race this Sunday....

lololol...

wac 05-20-2008 10:44 PM

My fav angle is a horse 2nd time on the turf with decent breeding if it did anything at all in its 1st time on the grass. Hit the board, showed some speed, closed at the end anything that shows a hint of talent. Also i will always bet a smart strike 1st time on the turf if the trainer is decent and the horse has shown some talent.

ateamstupid 05-20-2008 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by wac
My fav angle is a horse 2nd time on the turf with decent breeding if it did anything at all in its 1st time on the grass. Hit the board, showed some speed, closed at the end anything that shows a hint of talent. Also i will always bet a smart strike 1st time on the turf if the trainer is decent and the horse has shown some talent.

Ask Hooves, "Smart Strike on the grass" used to be my favorite angle. Now though, with the success of English Channel and Curlin, people are starting to catch on.

wac 05-20-2008 10:52 PM

1st time smart strike worked out for me last Fri at CD borel came thru on the rail at 9-1 pretty sweet. ONly problem is that is the only friggin good bet ive hit at CD so far this meet. Its been brutal for me so far.

2Hot4TV 05-21-2008 06:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Corey black off

Kenny Black on first time starters was the best.

Never bet a horse named "Warren's"..................

Must play Joy Scott on a 5/8 oval.

Toss any horse trained by Steve Knapp.

hoovesupsideyourhead 05-21-2008 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid
Ask Hooves, "Smart Strike on the grass" used to be my favorite angle. Now though, with the success of English Channel and Curlin, people are starting to catch on.

joey was the first i know with that one.....

parsixfarms 05-21-2008 10:16 AM

Two favorites:

1. Stretch out, blinkers off.

2. In maiden races, purchase price of horse as a multiple of the sire's stud fee. The higher the multiple (especially if over 5X), the more likely that the horse is an exceptional individual (at least per the market). That's not to say that buyers don't make mistakes, but this is often a pretty good guide.

fantini33 05-21-2008 10:34 AM

Dropping down, cutting back, turf to dirt. Those three together.

Never huge prices, but lots in that 4-1 -- 6-1 range.

Also when a firster runs evenly and beats half the field. Bet those ones right back.

Travis Stone 05-21-2008 10:50 AM

- Flashed speed in last (signals pending improvement)

- Hidden competitive Beyer

- Last out winner

I need to justify the last, but it never seems to fail, a horse who wins his/her last race is in form, and that along is worth consideration. But don't think I bet blindly $5k's going into entry-level allowances all the time!!


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