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TheSpyder 05-15-2008 03:50 PM

Evening Attire
 
Horse is unreal. Absoluetly left at the gate and lost, what 8-10 lengths comes back to lose by a length.

Great job.

Spyder

Strategic Mission 05-15-2008 03:51 PM

Byk and his listeners kissing his ass as we speak. He did lose.

ddthetide 05-15-2008 03:54 PM

good run by the old guy!

my miss storm cat 05-15-2008 03:54 PM

Yea!!!

Hickory Hill Hoff 05-15-2008 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Strategic Mission
Byk and his listeners kissing his ass as we speak. He did lose.

Welcome to the board.....:rolleyes: Got anything good to add here :confused:

TheSpyder 05-15-2008 04:14 PM

HAve not heard what Steve said but the horse fell a sleep in the gate and was left way behind. You got a problem with a lot of us liking a horse?
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Originally Posted by Strategic Mission
Byk and his listeners kissing his ass as we speak. He did lose.


ArlJim78 05-15-2008 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSpyder
HAve not heard what Steve said but the horse fell a sleep in the gate and was left way behind. You got a problem with a lot of us liking a horse?

thats the standard operating procedure for this guy. it almost seems like the worse his start is, the better he finishes. i find it funny to watch his starts because he just seems to walk out of the gate, in no particular hurry.

FGFan 05-15-2008 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSpyder
HAve not heard what Steve said but the horse fell a sleep in the gate and was left way behind. You got a problem with a lot of us liking a horse?

Actually I was 1/2 listening and it wasn't Steve who did the so called kissing, it was whoever he is chatting with that commented on how wonderful Evening Attire's connections are. EDIT and they are, Steve and whoever is on were talking about that they would also retire him in a minute if he didn't want to run.

Evening Attire has a HUGE fan club here, win or lose we don't care, it's fun to watch the old, gray guy.

tiggerv 05-15-2008 04:26 PM

We should give him a break. It's tough to live up to as great a post as his first one.

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Originally Posted by Strategic Mission
I was hoping we would have got a chance to see which works better in the Preakness, but I guess not.

Did UPS lose the shipment of Frank's Energy drink? lol

Good to see EA get another nice check and come home safe.

sumitas 05-15-2008 04:42 PM

yay

Strategic Mission 05-15-2008 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSpyder
HAve not heard what Steve said but the horse fell a sleep in the gate and was left way behind. You got a problem with a lot of us liking a horse?

You can like whoever you want. You can throw him in the same sentence as Secretariat like the caller did. The fact is he lost.

cmorioles 05-15-2008 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSpyder
Horse is unreal. Absoluetly left at the gate and lost, what 8-10 lengths comes back to lose by a length.

Great job.

Spyder

Why is this horse still allowed to race is my question? I'm being totally serious, too. How is it fair to the betting public to allow a horse that rarely leaves the gate on time to race?

blackthroatedwind 05-15-2008 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by cmorioles
Why is this horse still allowed to race is my question? I'm being totally serious, too. How is it fair to the betting public to allow a horse that rarely leaves the gate on time to race?


His owner posts here....ask him.

horseofcourse 05-15-2008 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by cmorioles
Why is this horse still allowed to race is my question? I'm being totally serious, too. How is it fair to the betting public to allow a horse that rarely leaves the gate on time to race?

I think not leaving the gate on time is Evening Attire's "Strategic Mission" for winning races.

horseofcourse 05-15-2008 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by cmorioles
Why is this horse still allowed to race is my question? I'm being totally serious, too. How is it fair to the betting public to allow a horse that rarely leaves the gate on time to race?

Maybe you should have made a $30 place bet on him today?? My guess is those that bet him in some aspect are saying..."quite fair".

cmorioles 05-15-2008 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
His owner posts here....ask him.

No offense, but I'm not really interested in what he thinks about it. I'm more interested why the stewards allow it. What do you think?

the_fat_man 05-15-2008 05:25 PM

I wonder if any of those in man-horse love with him actually BET any money.

That is the objective, to cash, right?:rolleyes:

horseofcourse 05-15-2008 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by the_fat_man
I wonder if any of those in man-horse love with him actually BET any money.

That is the objective, to cash, right?:rolleyes:

Does it really matter?? People that included him in an exacta in race 8 at Belmont potentially won money on him today. People who love him and didn't bet on him won nothing. Yes, this is quite a conflict here!

pgiaco 05-15-2008 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by cmorioles
No offense, but I'm not really interested in what he thinks about it. I'm more interested why the stewards allow it. What do you think?

I would imagine since he hits the board pretty consistently and isn't odds-on most of the time the Stewards are hard pressed to ban him from racing. I also think that since he is Evening Attire he gets some slack. I just enjoy watching him run.

parsixfarms 05-15-2008 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by cmorioles
No offense, but I'm not really interested in what he thinks about it. I'm more interested why the stewards allow it. What do you think?

He's a bad gate horse. There are a whole slew of bad gate horses. Where do you draw the line? Two lengths slow? Five lengths slow? Refusal to break? As a bettor, you know he's likely to break slowly and factor that into the equation as to what's a fair price. He did win a graded stakes race in December despite a slow break and almost won another today.

philcski 05-15-2008 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by parsixfarms
He's a bad gate horse. There are a whole slew of bad gate horses. Where do you draw the line? Two lengths slow? Five lengths slow? Refusal to break? As a bettor, you know he's likely to break slowly and factor that into the equation as to what's a fair price. He did win a graded stakes race in December despite a slow break and almost won another today.

I see it the same way... he's an old guy and does it his own way, so you have to factor in what . At 12F the break doesn't mean a hoot, for that matter.

I'll bet Racecar Rhapsody spots them 10 on Saturday at the first call. Should he not start?

zippyneedsawin 05-15-2008 06:32 PM

so here's a horse who is competitive in stakes races as a 10 year old, and people still find a reason to be critical of him?

cmorioles 05-15-2008 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by zippyneedsawin
so here's a horse who is competitive in stakes races as a 10 year old, and people still find a reason to be critical of him?

I like the horse, always have. Aside from that, as a bettor, I'm just curious where the line is drawn on situations like this. I also like that he takes a lot of wasted money when he runs...again as a bettor.

ateamstupid 05-15-2008 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by parsixfarms
He's a bad gate horse. There are a whole slew of bad gate horses. Where do you draw the line? Two lengths slow? Five lengths slow? Refusal to break? As a bettor, you know he's likely to break slowly and factor that into the equation as to what's a fair price. He did win a graded stakes race in December despite a slow break and almost won another today.

Exactly. I'm not sure what the issue is..

Chestnut Gal 05-15-2008 07:06 PM

Congratulations to
Evening Attire and
his connections.
May you always be
happy, healthy, safe
and sound. Love You,
Handsome Boy!

Coach Pants 05-15-2008 07:07 PM

I agree with Chestnut Gal.


I love you so much, big boy. ;)

letswastemoney 05-15-2008 07:17 PM

He's interesting to watch....but I agree it's hard to swallow losing 3 to 5 lengths at the start as a bettor.

freddymo 05-15-2008 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by cmorioles
I like the horse, always have. Aside from that, as a bettor, I'm just curious where the line is drawn on situations like this. I also like that he takes a lot of wasted money when he runs...again as a bettor.

I have no clue why you would suggest that the steward could should or would stop a horse from earning.. Why in the world would not want to see him compete if sound and enjoying himself. I am sure when he stops being competitive he will have a nice paddock and all the best hay to eat..

cmorioles 05-15-2008 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo
I have no clue why you would suggest that the steward could should or would stop a horse from earning.. Why in the world would not want to see him compete if sound and enjoying himself. I am sure when he stops being competitive he will have a nice paddock and all the best hay to eat..

I look at his gate habits like I do breakers in harness racing. Do they let them go on racing forever without showing they are over the issue?

It wouldn't be the first time a horse has been barred from racing to protect the gamblers, but I'm sure you know that already.

freddymo 05-15-2008 08:29 PM

The horse is placing in stakes races the public is in no harm.

cmorioles 05-15-2008 08:33 PM

I don't see why the level the horse races at has anything to do with it.

freddymo 05-15-2008 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by cmorioles
I don't see why the level the horse races at has anything to do with it.

I think you are missing the point.. The horse has been competitive and is sound.. How those two points don't undermind his races style and negiate any intervention is beyond my train of thought. If the horse was breaking last and finishing last then maybe something should be suggested. folks thoroughly enjoy watching this horse compete however the heck he does it. In a day and age when horses for whatever reason can't race this ole guy does to the delight of all his fans. Because he isn't in the mix until the last 2 furlongs of a race is on no business of stewards.
We know he is in caring hands and when his and the publics best interests aren't being served fairly he will be given the royal treatment.. To me its as good a story in racing as exists today. A 10 year old past champion doing what he does against quality calibur horses regularly under the supervision of good horse people without a greedy agenda. congrats to EA and his connections well done

Cannon Shell 05-15-2008 08:48 PM

wouldnt breaking poorly be an advantage in a race with an overly quick pace?

geeker2 05-15-2008 08:58 PM

geezzzz..I hope he didn't race as a 2 year old..because it could shorten his career...

dylbert 05-15-2008 09:14 PM

If you start banning Evening Attire types, do you ban horses that quit next? Horses that don't run when they draw rail, or outside? Horses that don't like getting hit on left, or right? Just some food for thought...

EA doesn't quit, he is merely slow starter. I can find value there, especially if he races against habitual quitters. EA hits the board and pays owners and horse players. IMO, quitters burn more money than horses that break tardily like Evening Attire.

ddthetide 05-15-2008 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by cmorioles
Why is this horse still allowed to race is my question? I'm being totally serious, too. How is it fair to the betting public to allow a horse that rarely leaves the gate on time to race?

get a grip! the horse is sound and still likes to run. he still hits the board (i did make a few $$ on him today).
we all sit here and complain because horses are retired and never see them beyond 3. this old guys is 10 and still paying his way and you want him banned because he is slow from the gate?
steve was right in stating that the sport should be promoting this old guy.

sundaysilenceforever 05-15-2008 09:45 PM

People complain:

They start too soon.
They retire too quickly.
They run too many years.
The filly shouldnt run with the boys.

and on, and on, and on.

It doesnt matter what any particular horse does, no matter how great he/she may be, or mediocre. Someones going to complain about something, every single time.

I think its a pleasure to continue to see Evening Attire be competetive.
I giggle every time he leaves the gate, because hes so predictable.
I love how he "pick's em up, and put's em down" in perfect order with the knowledge of how to take care of himself....a seasoned veteran.
I love that at even at age 10, he hasnt lost the desire to race, and to win, even though the wins are rare (which is also predicable).


I love EA, like most people do, and think we are fortunate to be able to watch his career continue after all these years.
Enjoy :)

SentToStud 05-15-2008 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by cmorioles
I look at his gate habits like I do breakers in harness racing. Do they let them go on racing forever without showing they are over the issue?

It wouldn't be the first time a horse has been barred from racing to protect the gamblers, but I'm sure you know that already.

Where do you draw the line of what the public needs protection from? So he breaks slow and doesn't always get there. But he did manage to win a graded race recently.

Shall we also protect bettors by barring high speed types who almost always quit at the 1/8 pole but occasionally manage to win?

asudevil 05-15-2008 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by cmorioles
Why is this horse still allowed to race is my question? I'm being totally serious, too. How is it fair to the betting public to allow a horse that rarely leaves the gate on time to race?

One day we should all own a horse that races until he's 10, earns over 3 million bucks, and shows terrific courage every time he steps on the track!!


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