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pweizer 05-14-2008 04:38 PM

This has trouble written all over it
 
The USA Today is reporting that Saturday's Preakness telecast will begin "with a panel discussion on the filly's catastrophic breakdown and other controversies surrounding Thoroughbred horse racing, says producer Sam Flood. Among the guests: Churchill Downs veterinarian Larry Bramlage; Eight Belles trainer Larry Jones; NBC analyst Gary Stevens; and New York Times columnist William Rhoden, who blasted the sport of kings as "only a couple of steps removed from animal fighting."

(http://www.usatoday.com/sports/colum...cCarthy_N.htm).

This doesn't sound to me as though anything good can come from this. Further, it means less coverage of the live action. I can hardly wait...

Paul

sumitas 05-14-2008 04:40 PM

with your closed mind nothing good of it can come for you. for horses and our sport i hope it will lead to something good and humane.

Alan07 05-14-2008 04:44 PM

ESPN will still have a 1/2 hour of live racing at 4:30 PM, which is also post of the Dixie Stakes

pgiaco 05-14-2008 04:44 PM

Dr. Bramlage and Larry Jones will be very prepared and I hope will give an eloquent defense of the game in the face of the blathering extremists. Rhoden is an idiot and I hope he is proven the fraud he is. Might not be the worst thing in the world.

Scav 05-14-2008 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Pot meet kettle.

Hopefully Kettle smokes pot upside the head

GBBob 05-14-2008 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by sumitas
with your closed mind nothing good of it can come for you. for horses and our sport i hope it will lead to something good and humane.

This is like discussing the Middle East on Meet the Press...what good can possibly come from it, no matter what your personal thoughts are on this?

Scav 05-14-2008 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by pgiaco
Might not be the worst thing in the world.

Exactly, if anything, that panel looks sided towards horse racing. This other guy could get blasted when he starts getting out of control

tiggerv 05-14-2008 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by sumitas
with your closed mind nothing good of it can come for you. for horses and our sport i hope it will lead to something good and humane.

Which synthetic track company do you work for?

letswastemoney 05-14-2008 04:48 PM

Discussion is a good thing

GBBob 05-14-2008 04:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pgiaco
Dr. Bramlage and Larry Jones will be very prepared and I hope will give an eloquent defense of the game in the face of the blathering extremists. Rhoden is an idiot and I hope he is proven the fraud he is. Might not be the worst thing in the world.

Hopefully better than he was on The Today Show....didn't think that was strong, although he's a trainer, not a professional PR guy

blackthroatedwind 05-14-2008 04:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pgiaco
Dr. Bramlage and Larry Jones will be very prepared and I hope will give an eloquent defense of the game in the face of the blathering extremists. Rhoden is an idiot and I hope he is proven the fraud he is. Might not be the worst thing in the world.


Thank you. I agree completely.

Bramlage will crush him like a grape.

hoovesupsideyourhead 05-14-2008 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Pot meet kettle.

OOOOOO!

justindew 05-14-2008 05:10 PM

Without getting into the players involved, is the Live NBC Preakness telecast the best place for this kind of thing? It might be viewed as too self-serving, and perhaps won't be taken seriously.

Just a thought.

sumitas 05-14-2008 06:09 PM

when people are lead out in handcuffs for horse abuse and spend hard time in jail like Michael Vick this game will know time is up...the abusers and those that allow the abuse are on borrowed time. those committing fraud on the buying and betting public as well...so i advise anyone to do the right thing. God is always watching and the "world" will be watching Saturday. Shame on the abusers. Shame on those that condone it.

Better Than Honour 05-14-2008 06:11 PM

William Rhoden is just the Jerry Springer of the NY Times. He will say anything to get attention because he is a terrible writer that nobody wants to hear from.

Coach Pants 05-14-2008 06:17 PM

I'm worried about Gary Stevens reacting to questions in real time.


Please don't tell me he's the mediator in all of this. Please God and baby Jesus no.

Coach Pants 05-14-2008 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by sumitas
when people are lead out in handcuffs for horse abuse and spend hard time in jail like Michael Vick this game will know time is up...the abusers and those that allow the abuse are on borrowed time. those committing fraud on the buying and betting public as well...so i advise anyone to do the right thing. God is always watching and the "world" will be watching Saturday. Shame on the abusers. Shame on those that condone it.

You're more likely to be led out in a muzzle and have your hands chopped off for being a horrendous poster before that will happen.

Better Than Honour 05-14-2008 06:36 PM

They should let Millie Ball do it. The looks and the accent soften the image of racing.

Cannon Shell 05-14-2008 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Better Than Honour
William Rhoden is just the Jerry Springer of the NY Times. He will say anything to get attention because he is a terrible writer that nobody wants to hear from.

Now that Isiah is gone he has nothing else to do except knock a sport that he pays zero attention to. Will probably play the race card and say we dont care about the horses much because they have brown skin. I wont read the NY Times except in rare occasions but the times i've seen him on the Sports Reporters he usually comes off as a moron but I guess most of the guys on that show do.

blackthroatedwind 05-14-2008 07:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sumitas
when people are lead out in handcuffs for horse abuse and spend hard time in jail like Michael Vick this game will know time is up...the abusers and those that allow the abuse are on borrowed time. those committing fraud on the buying and betting public as well...so i advise anyone to do the right thing. God is always watching and the "world" will be watching Saturday. Shame on the abusers. Shame on those that condone it.


If God is watching, I wonder who he likes to fill out the super.

fpsoxfan 05-14-2008 07:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sumitas
when people are lead out in handcuffs for horse abuse and spend hard time in jail like Michael Vick this game will know time is up...the abusers and those that allow the abuse are on borrowed time. those committing fraud on the buying and betting public as well...so i advise anyone to do the right thing. God is always watching and the "world" will be watching Saturday. Shame on the abusers. Shame on those that condone it.

Oh my goodness.

Danzig 05-14-2008 07:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sumitas
when people are lead out in handcuffs for horse abuse and spend hard time in jail like Michael Vick this game will know time is up...the abusers and those that allow the abuse are on borrowed time. those committing fraud on the buying and betting public as well...so i advise anyone to do the right thing. God is always watching and the "world" will be watching Saturday. Shame on the abusers. Shame on those that condone it.

well, that's all well and good, but what has any of that to do with eight belles?

sumitas 05-14-2008 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
If God is watching, I wonder who he likes to fill out the super.

In my heart He has a fav. But the Devil is in control of this game and it must be wrested away from his followers. There are great people in this game , that together, can do this. The sport will be so much better off for it. Real opportunity for all exists in a clean game.

g nite

Coach Pants 05-14-2008 08:26 PM

pass the collection plate, sir.

3kings 05-14-2008 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Anyone else growing tired of being preached to?

I agree Hoss. Every thread, no matter the topic, ends with some ridiculous holier than though poly or drug rant. Its tiresome at best and borders on insanity.

ateamstupid 05-14-2008 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by 3kings
I agree Hoss. Every thread, no matter the topic, ends with some ridiculous holier than though poly or drug rant. Its tiresome at best and borders on insanity.

It's getting crazier and crazier by the post too.

Danzig 05-14-2008 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Anyone else growing tired of being preached to?

yeah, but i'm guilt free sleeping in on sundays.

MaTH716 05-14-2008 09:48 PM

Personally I think that this a terrible idea. Racing only makes it on to national TV a handful of times a year. Now on one of these days you are going to have a panel discussion on everything wrong and bad in the sport. They should be showing live races and promoting the game, the races, horses and people involved to the audience and any new possible fan base that is watching. Try to sell the sport and get people to the track, instead of scaring them away with talk of breakdowns, drugs and synthetic surfaces. I have nothing against a forum of things that need to be fixed in the game(there are real issues), but I do not think that this is the time or the place for it.

pick4 05-14-2008 10:11 PM

The Eight Belles breakdown was horrible and NBC should spend a few moments addressing the issue. Even though breakdowns happen in racing and it is a part of racing finding the definitive answer to why they occur is impossible. They could blame the dirt surface but breakdowns happen on grass too. Look back at the last few Opening Day 1st races at the Spa.

Hopefully Dr. Bramledge and Larry Jones will articulate a sensible response to William Rhoden's uneducated rant about how horrible horse racing is.

Cajungator26 05-14-2008 10:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sumitas
In my heart He has a fav. But the Devil is in control of this game and it must be wrested away from his followers. There are great people in this game , that together, can do this. The sport will be so much better off for it. Real opportunity for all exists in a clean game.

g nite

I would think that everyone on here wants a clean game, but what does that have to do with Eight Belles?

Danzig 05-14-2008 10:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pick4
The Eight Belles breakdown was horrible and NBC should spend a few moments addressing the issue. Even though breakdowns happen in racing and it is a part of racing finding the definitive answer to why they occur is impossible. They could blame the dirt surface but breakdowns happen on grass too. Look back at the last few Opening Day 1st races at the Spa.

Hopefully Dr. Bramledge and Larry Jones will articulate a sensible response to William Rhoden's uneducated rant about how horrible horse racing is.

perhaps they could take a moment to remind everyone that his race has been run every year since it's inception in 1875 (133 runnings) with only one fatality ever in the field, eight belles.

hockey2315 05-15-2008 12:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Danzig
perhaps they could take a moment to remind everyone that his race has been run every year since it's inception in 1875 (133 runnings) with only one fatality ever in the field, eight belles.

But isn't that sort of the point? Horses are getting more fragile, drugs are corrupting the sport, etc. . .

zippyneedsawin 05-15-2008 04:49 AM

Why is William Rhoden's uninformed opinion part of this panel anyway? Just because he wrote a column?

zippyneedsawin 05-15-2008 04:52 AM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
If God is watching, I wonder who he likes to fill out the super.

I think God plays pick 6's more..

Rupert Pupkin 05-15-2008 05:06 AM

Racing is broken and it needs to be fixed. As of right now, racing is dying a slow death. Tracks are closing down all over the country. Hollywood Park may be next. There are serious problems in racing and they need to be addressed.

The bettors and the fans are well aware of the problems. The problems are not going to go away until they are fixed. You can't just sweep them under the rug.

You guys have the whole thing backwards. You guys seem to think that if they just shut up about Eight Belles, then everything will be fine. Nothing could be further from the truth. It's just the opposite. If we just shut up and don't make any changes, we will continue to see Eight Belles type incidents and racing will continue to go downhill.

Instead we should seize the moment, and use the Eight Belles incident as a wake-up call to finally start making some of the changes that need to be made.

Having discussions on television is a huge positive, not a negative.

zippyneedsawin 05-15-2008 05:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin
Racing is broken and it needs to be fixed. As of right now, racing is dying a slow death. Tracks are closing down all over the country. Hollywood Park may be next. There are serious problems in racing and they need to be addressed.

The bettors and the fans are well aware of the problems. The problems are not going to go away until they are fixed. You can't just sweep them under the rug.

You guys have the whole thing backwards. You guys seem to think that if they just shut up about Eight Belles, then everything will be fine. Nothing could be further from the truth. It's just the opposite. If we just shut up and don't make any changes, we will continue to see Eight Belles type incidents and racing will continue to go downhill.

Instead we should seize the moment, and use the Eight Belles incident as a wake-up call to finally start making some of the changes that need to be made.

Having discussions on television is a huge positive, not a negative.


You're missing the point, IMO. It's WHO is speaking, not that the discussions are going on. I can't speak for everyone else, but I welcome open discusions about horse racing, its issues and what can be done to make improvements. But when uninformed people get a forum to voice an opinion, it does no good.
NBC should have chosen someone more aware of horse racing issues for this panel than Mr. Rhoden. Who's going to take him seriously?

pgiaco 05-15-2008 05:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zippyneedsawin
You're missing the point, IMO. It's WHO is speaking, not that the discussions are going on. I can't speak for everyone else, but I welcome open discusions about horse racing, its issues and what can be done to make improvements. But when uninformed people get a forum to voice an opinion, it does no good.
NBC should have chosen someone more aware of horse racing issues for this panel than Mr. Rhoden. Who's going to take him seriously?

Exactly, informed discussion is one thing. Ranting without any knowledge of the subject doesn't do an ounce of good.


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