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Kasept 05-06-2008 12:51 PM

5/10 (LS): Lone Star Derby (+ 2 TX Stallion S.)
 
10th (5:47) Lone Star Derby (G3)

1 1/16 Miles | Open | 3 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $400,000

1 Limestone Edge Lanerie C J 122 L
2 El Gato Malo Bejarano R 122 Blk-On L
3 Golden Yank Berry M C 122 L
4 Poni Colada Hamilton Q 122 L
5 King's Silver Son Quinonez L S 122 L
6 Texas Wildcatter Albarado R J 122 L
7 Ide Like a Double Clark K D 122 L
8 Isabull Doocy T T 122 L
1A Samba Rooster Gomez G K 122 Blk-On L
9 Leonides Migliore R 122 L
10 My Pal Charlie Theriot H J II 122 L
11 Fort Apache Martin E M Jr 122 L
12 Real Appeal Graham J 122 L

A-Coupled: Limestone Edge and Samba Rooster



7th (4:23) Texas Stallion S.

1 1/16 Miles | Fillies | 3 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $125,000

1 Formal Flyer Hamilton Q 120 L
2 Bad Comma Figueroa J 120 L
3 Jones Time Doocy T T 120 Blk-Off L
4 Ms Classic Seneca McNeil T 120 L
5 Classie Baloo Berry M C 120 L
6 Surfboard Quinonez L S 120 L
7 Island in the Sand Eramia R E 120 L
8 Dynamic Cowgirl Lambert C T 120 L



9th (5:19) Texas Stallion S.

1 1/16 Miles | Open | 3 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $125,000

1 Ablaze With Spirit Quinonez L S 120 L
2 Claudia's Forum Guzman J 120 L
3 Imagine a Cat Ramos A B 120 L
4 Ferdinand's Flyer McNeil T 120 L
5 C E P A's Forum Eramia R E 120 L
6 Brother Warbucks Martin E M Jr 120 Blk-Off L
7 Gold Coyote Walker B J Jr 120 L
8 Authentic Jones Figueroa J 120 L
1A Snug Shepherd J 120 L

A-Coupled: Ablaze With Spirit and Snug

SniperSB23 05-06-2008 01:04 PM

Was any excuse ever offered for Texas Wildcatter's pathetic performance last out?

the_fat_man 05-06-2008 01:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SniperSB23
Was any excuse ever offered for Texas Wildcatter's pathetic performance last out?

Was one needed? Anyone who liked him last out got exactly what they deserved.

SniperSB23 05-06-2008 02:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the_fat_man
Was one needed? Anyone who liked him last out got exactly what they deserved.

He ran an ok race in the Gotham considering the pace. I didn't expect the debacle that occured last out.

AlexP 05-06-2008 02:27 PM

So is El Gato Malo going to Lone Star or Baltimore Steve? Or are they leaving both options open for now?

the_fat_man 05-06-2008 02:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SniperSB23
He ran an ok race in the Gotham considering the pace. I didn't expect the debacle that occured last out.

You're actually correct here. Let's check the race:

He was running in tandem with Tale of Ekati and Giant Moon until just past the half mile point, where they continued on with it and he folded like an accordion.
Of course, he did manage to finish ahead of Inner Light, who dueled with War Pass.

All in all, a very nice effort. I see a positive trend in the form cycle.

philcski 05-06-2008 02:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the_fat_man
You're actually correct here. Let's check the race:

He was running in tandem with Tale of Ekati and Giant Moon until just past the half mile point, where they continued on with it and he folded like an accordion.
Of course, he did manage to finish ahead of Inner Light, who dueled with War Pass.

All in all, a very nice effort. I see a positive trend in the form cycle.

Hey smart guy... how bout some winners instead of b*tching about supposed poor rides and retrospectively critisizing others' opinions?

pgardn 05-06-2008 09:23 PM

All I really want to see is a competitive race.
They can all run high 80 Beyers thats just fine by me.
A group with a full field that is competitive is
what I desire for this race.

ateamstupid 05-06-2008 09:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by philcski
Hey smart guy... how bout some winners instead of b*tching about supposed poor rides and retrospectively critisizing others' opinions?

Don't hold your breath Phil. All dude knows how to do is complain and rag on other people about their opinion after a race has been run.

the_fat_man 05-06-2008 09:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by philcski
Hey smart guy... how bout some winners instead of b*tching about supposed poor rides and retrospectively critisizing others' opinions?

Why would I do that?

And, I'm not criticizing, I'm agreeing. :rolleyes:

Refresh my mind as to a recent 'supposed' poor ride I bitched about?

asudevil 05-07-2008 12:55 AM

http://www.drf.com/news/article/94320.html

King Glorious 05-07-2008 01:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SniperSB23
Was any excuse ever offered for Texas Wildcatter's pathetic performance last out?

He's not very good. That's his excuse. Horses that aren't very good don't put up consistent performances. If they did, they'd be good.

SniperSB23 05-07-2008 09:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by King Glorious
He's not very good. That's his excuse. Horses that aren't very good don't put up consistent performances. If they did, they'd be good.

Can someone please show me where I ever said the horse was very good? All I said was he ran a decent race in the Gotham considering the pace and then absolutely stopped early on in his next race which was puzzling and the majority of the time when that happens there is a valid reason for it. Considering he's likely to be in this race and I will probably bet it I'd like to know if anyone heard an excuse cause it would be one I'd be inclined to actually believe and toss the last race from my capping. Doesn't mean I'd think the horse would win if I tossed it, doesn't mean I'd think he'd lose. I'm just looking to see if anyone has any info so I can factor it in. God forbid, someone want to offer something of value on here rather than just blindly bashing every horse, jockey, and track surface.

King Glorious 05-07-2008 02:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SniperSB23
Can someone please show me where I ever said the horse was very good? All I said was he ran a decent race in the Gotham considering the pace and then absolutely stopped early on in his next race which was puzzling and the majority of the time when that happens there is a valid reason for it. Considering he's likely to be in this race and I will probably bet it I'd like to know if anyone heard an excuse cause it would be one I'd be inclined to actually believe and toss the last race from my capping. Doesn't mean I'd think the horse would win if I tossed it, doesn't mean I'd think he'd lose. I'm just looking to see if anyone has any info so I can factor it in. God forbid, someone want to offer something of value on here rather than just blindly bashing every horse, jockey, and track surface.

I am not saying you said he was any good. You didn't read me type that. You asked was there any excuse and I said that's his excuse.

geof 05-07-2008 11:34 PM

El Gato Malo
 
El Gato Malo will be going to Texas. The blinkers are on and he's ready to roll.

hockey2315 05-08-2008 12:10 AM

El Gato Malo has NO shot vs. Samba Rooster. . .

asudevil 05-08-2008 12:21 AM

Does anyone know...
 
...Is Lone Star a speed favoring track??

Oaklawnfan 05-08-2008 01:03 PM

Would this be a good time for me to finally get off the Golden Yank bandwagon? After the Arkansas Derby maybe I should have thrown myself under the bandwagon.:confused:

moke0043 05-09-2008 09:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hockey2315
El Gato Malo has NO shot vs. Samba Rooster. . .

The more I look at the PP's, the more I am liking My Pal Charlie...

geof 05-09-2008 10:09 AM

PP's
 
PP's are exactly what they are, past performance's. Things happen between races. If there is any speed to push the Rooster, and El Gato Malo handles the track it's all over.....

hockey2315 05-09-2008 10:16 AM

No one can run with Samba Rooster early. . . He'll run off like he did in the Lexington but this time it'll be on dirt at a shorter distance. . . Game over. . .

Scav 05-09-2008 10:25 AM

My Pal Charlie has a good shot here. Competitive via numbers and should get a good trip off what should be an insane speed duel..

cakes44 05-09-2008 02:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hockey2315
No one can run with Samba Rooster early. . . He'll run off like he did in the Lexington but this time it'll be on dirt at a shorter distance. . . Game over. . .

I agree other than the distance is actually the same as the Lexington. This thing could look like Sinister Minister at the Blue Grass a couple years ago IMO.

hockey2315 05-09-2008 02:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cakes44
I agree other than the distance is actually the same as the Lexington. This thing could look like Sinister Minister at the Blue Grass a couple years ago IMO.

Good point - was thinking the Lex was 9F for some reason . . . oops . . . won't matter, though

Hickory Hill Hoff 05-10-2008 09:30 AM

Samba Rooster (e) w/ Texas Wildcatter, El Gato Malo & King's Silver Son

geof 05-10-2008 10:17 AM

Samba Rooster Key
 
If you like Samba Rooster to win it. Hit the all button for second so you don't leave a big ticket out there..... Go EGM....

eagles725 05-10-2008 10:21 AM

Quick question. Can I bet the lonestar derby and Peter Pan in a Philly OTB? Or are the signals blocked?

thanks!

NTamm1215 05-10-2008 10:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eagles725
Quick question. Can I bet the lonestar derby and Peter Pan in a Philly OTB? Or are the signals blocked?

thanks!

As far as I know you can. Lone Star's signal is only blocked from ADWs and Belmont signed a deal with the Mid-Atlantic cooperative on Thursday. You should be OK.

NT

pgardn 05-10-2008 10:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by asudevil
...Is Lone Star a speed favoring track??

Yes.

hockey2315 05-10-2008 12:26 PM

Playing Samba on top in supers and keying My Pal Charlie in 2nd, 3rd, and 4th

pgardn 05-10-2008 01:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hockey2315
No one can run with Samba Rooster early. . . He'll run off like he did in the Lexington but this time it'll be on dirt at a shorter distance. . . Game over. . .

Leonides.

Possible harrasser horse.
I would feel better if he were not present.

HaloWishingwell 05-10-2008 01:19 PM

Longshot REAL APPEAL gets a pace to run at this time.

dylbert 05-10-2008 01:21 PM

Texas Stallion Stakes (9th race)
 
Hey, gotta give props to my friend's horse, Ferdinand's Flyer, who competes in today's Texas Stallion Stakes (9th race). FF tuned up nicely in 6 furlong dash on April 27. He ran well and came out of race ready for this one. Owners and trainer will concede that 8.5F is not his best distance. However, he may get part of exotics and, if Gold Coyote has off day, take top prize.

hockey2315 05-10-2008 01:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pgardn
Leonides.

Possible harrasser horse.
I would feel better if he were not present.

He should show speed but he won't be near Samba. . . It's not like Gomez is gonna try to rate this horse or slow it down on the front end. . . I'm far more worried about getting My Pal Charlie up underneath than Samba Rooster winning. . . After him the race is incredibly wide open but I had to take some sort of stand somewhere. . .

pgardn 05-10-2008 01:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hockey2315
He should show speed but he won't be near Samba. . . It's not like Gomez is gonna try to rate this horse or slow it down on the front end. . . I'm far more worried about getting My Pal Charlie up underneath than Samba Rooster winning. . . After him the race is incredibly wide open but I had to take some sort of stand somewhere. . .

They have not let Leonides roll yet.
I dont even know why he is in the race.
Thats what is worrysome.
Some sort of sacrifice.

The track should definitely favor your choice.

geof 05-11-2008 09:40 AM

El Gato Malo
 
He had some trouble but fought through and won. I think the Belmont might not be out of the question next... Watch out for Lt. Ron in the Barbaro Stakes if he's looking better this week.......

hockey2315 05-11-2008 12:25 PM

Congrats on the win. . . Hope Lt. Ron is healthy soon. . . could be a serious horse. . .

asudevil 05-11-2008 04:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by geof
He had some trouble but fought through and won. I think the Belmont might not be out of the question next... Watch out for Lt. Ron in the Barbaro Stakes if he's looking better this week.......

No shot at 12f....None!


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