IEAH group
 

I know how TV tries to portray
trainers, owners, etc... in a provocative
or sympathetic way in order to generate
a story but...

That ABC TV shot of that IEAH group makes
we wanna gag. Bunch a suits with black
on the eyeball sunglasses with little
communication devices.

Mr. Anderson, Mr. Anderson.
You are now a part of our matrix.

Could someone at Churchill get drunken
sick and throw up some chunky, wet
humility on their Italian suits.

Oh my my my rancor, nonsense and drivel. But, I agree with you.

They are an act for sure. Easy to root against. Not so easy to bet against unfortunately.

not necessarily the owners i have a problem with.. altho you have to wonder why, with all the trainers, they chose the one they chose. what mindset comes to the conclusion that dutrow is the man to go to??
yeah, you guys may have a point.

Oh My..Who really gives a shiat.

an excerpt from pat forde's article:


What the rest of the racing game saw was a trainer with a rap sheet longer than "Kent Desormeaux" win the Kentucky Derby. Dutrow has been fined and suspended dozens of times in his career, sometimes for drugging himself and sometimes for drugging his horses. He says he's gotten his personal life in better shape, but documents from the Association of Racing Commissioners International show that he's gotten in trouble every year this decade when it comes to medicating his horses.

IEAH, stable of good fortune?
 

I assume the links with IEAH were common knowledge but in case it wasn't.

http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/hor...ray&id=3380885

It's a nice story and all, but unfortunately for them it will be topped by Dee Tee Stables winning the Triple Crown a few years from now.

We will hit them with a proverbial
wall of wealth.

And Simon's special concoctions
that give miracle endurance.

IEAH connections
 

I just hate it when people dislike succesful people.
What has IEAH done wrong for the industry??? nothing. Heck they could have retired Kip Deville after the BC but no they continue for a second title.

Just because they wear nice itallian suits and own the next possible triple crown winner doesn't mean they are bad people. The heads of that operation must have worked hard to earn the money for thier success. Do people just get money from heaven and start a succesful stable??

If you still dont like them then do us a favor and dont bet on them so others can cash in.

It's how you carry yourself...There are numerous "succesful" people in racing, yet people like Jim Tafel, the Lewises, etc can get it done without the arrogance that IEAH chooses to flaunt.

From a previous thread

I assume the links with IEAH were common knowledge but in case it wasn't.

http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/hor...ray&id=3380885

Was talking to Chuck about this today. When I worked in downtown Manhattan I would run to the John St. OTB at lunch to bet the early double every day. The place is full of degenerates and homeless people looking to warm up, with the occasional horseplaying trader wandering in. On this specific day, A One Rocket went off as the favorite, stepping up in class from $7.5K (which at the time was the ABSOLUTE BOTTOM LEVEL NYRA race, and any horse running there was talentless, crippled, or both) to $20K, which even on the inner can have some salty types. Despite these black marks, suit after suit came in to bet $500, $1000, $5000, including one woman who had no idea how to even make a win bet (she had to ask me for advice) yet got down for $3000ish. Of course, he aired, and the IEAH bunch there got an earful from me and several other of the legitimate horseplayers there. They knew the score with Martin, and chose to ignore it.

I've hated them ever since, despite my interest in Big Brown.

interesting read. i miss ray paulick in the bloodhorse, always enjoyed his thought-provoking articles.

and yeah, dutrow...i posted part of an article elsewhere on here today about him. he's been in trouble every year for the last ten years or so...got a 60 day suspension, and then another 14 days plus a fine for breaking the rules of that suspension. what a group.

So you guys saying Big Brown must be juiced as well

All I know is that I witnessed the "coming out party" of a special...I believe great...horse yesterday. He ran like the wind and the last time I was that impressed with a horse was Risen Star in the Belmont. I don't know any of his connections save Dutrow and frankly, I don't care...it's the horse I fell in love with...same as when you fall in love with a woman, do you really care how "nice" her family is? Regarding Dutrow...I respect and admire the man. He's made his share of mistakes for sure (last time I checked, so have I), but he faced great personal tragedy, his own demons...and has overcome them! I say...good for him!

Absolutely not inferring that by my story. The horse was a monster when they bought him, and Dutrow did a great job to be patient with him.

Paulick has always been a serious, thought provoking writer. A lot of concerns are raised by this article about Big Brown and his connections.

I read the article...yes, Big Brown did make it look easier than it's supposed to be...just like Secretariat and his son, Risen Star made it look so easy in the Belmont, Kincsem made every race look easy in her long career...great horse do that! Time will tell if BB is truly a great horse, a shooting star, or something else. I simply will enjoy the ride as long as it lasts...as yesterday proved once again...emotional continuity is not a product of horse racing!

not necessarily. but can you really be sure?

What's not to admire and respect, huh? Dutrow wins huge races in Dubai and Miami on the same day. Wins Derby from 20 post off a wide trip. Trains the top grass miler.

Suspensions? So what. Pletcher, Assmussen, Zito, etc..., all have gotten days. At least he takes his medicine like a man.

Who are your racing role models?

oh my god

They almost all get days. They almost all break rules from time to time. What makes him different?

Good for you on the role models thing!

They have big plans.
http://thoroughbredtimes.com/nationa...Big-Brown.aspx

There is a lot funny in what you post, some obvious and some less so, but the highlighted part really takes the cake. He actually specifically doesn't " take his medicine like a man. " Aside from mocking it, he also received further suspensions for breaking the rules of his suspension. So, unless you believe that " a man " acts correctly in not accepting punishment, you are just flat out wrong.

Personally I thought Dutrow was great before the Derby and I gained real respect for him. Maybe he was a bit crass.....but the bottom line was that he said his horse was much the best before the race and he was absolutely right. However, that doesn't change history. But, Dutrow never claimed it did. You, on the other hand, are trying your hardest to.

It's not working.

ieah
 

Im supposed to believe that these guys were shocked and outraged that Mr.Martin was using illegal means to show these amazing form reversals, so shocked that they went to Dutrow. COMMON, they knew what was happening and didnt care! If you give stock to Dutrow at this point you know what youre getting into. How many major races has had the winner come back with a positive? Was Big Brown doctored up who knows but he could of come to back to the winners circle with a needle sticking out of his ass and it would be swept under the rug, this sport gets enough bad press ( Eight Belles) but the Derby winner coming up positive I dont think so.

Huh?
Got caught. Served time. Got caught while serving time. Parlole Violation! Did more days. And if he got caught during those days,....

You carved up what I said too fine. If the racing world was truly aghast at his transgressions, he and many other aggressive style trainers would not exist. It's really no different than the issue of the Uninsured. If people in position to make change really cared enough to do so, it would change. The fact that it's complicated and states regs rule is just b.s.. If the states, tracks, owners and horsemen wanted change, they'd change. But they don't want change. Dutrow is not the only one. He's just the loudest and most plain spoken. And if he was not hugely successful, no one would care.

Hell of a hockey game going on. Quadruple overtime. I'd like Dallas to win.

What happened to the show? I went to YB/PtW and got last year's.

Ive personally had a poor experience with IEAH, but find that pretty commonplace in racing.

Them being disliked for straight success is foolish. There are many other reasons to dislike them. What they have done in racing in such a short period of time is very difficult to do, regardless of the amount of money you have. The Arabs have unlimited funds and they havent came close to having the best Turf Miler, Derby winner, and arguably best sprinter in the country all at once. Think about that for a minute.....No matter how much you like, dislike, or cant stand them, and Im in that final group, the feat is remarkable.

What the NY Yankees have done is remarkeable too, but that doesn't stop people from disliking Steinbrenner, or Jerry Jones and the Cowboys. Even assuming all of IEAH's horses are clean, it still doesn't mean you have to "like" them..and that is probably good for horse racing. You need hereos and villians to stir up interest outside the core.

they are bad for the game just like the arabs are bad for the game. they buy other people's horses after they start racing. this trend of top horses being taken away from trainers is disturbing. curlin, big brown, and all the ieah horses were all trained by somebody else originally. it too reminds me of the yankees just going around and buying up the best talent.

the major concern though with ieah is that they are trying to make the sport profitable and it isn't that easy. you wonder where they will cut corners and what they will be willing to do to turn a profit for their owners if they hit a tough patch, which they will.

If you are an owner or trainer and don't reach for the phone if you see Sheik Mo or IEAH in the Caller ID, then you are a better man than most

If they call and want the Colonel for $500k... YOURS.

Kip Deville isn't retired?? Wow, what do you know. Dutrow's aggressive 3 race campaign planned this year, is pretty much equivalent to retirement for me.

Phil..based on your weekend, I'm expecting that offer from YOU

Well, certainly the industry does many things wrong, but that doesn't exonerate anybody who breaks the rules ( whoever they are ). I find that to be flawed logic.

As for the show, we may do one for the Belmont, but I don't know yet. Youbet made a big financial commitment to the show last year and unfortunately 2007 was a tough year for them. Combine that with the fact that I am doing other projects right now and you have a show in limbo. They were great to work with, and I appreciate the opportunity they gave me, and hope we can at least do something together this year. I'll let you know. Thanks for asking.

To me he can actually write critical pieces on racing without having to worry about sponsors, its a good thing he left.

He probably wasn't retired because he's a turf horse whose pedigree (by Kipling) isn't that fashionable. They likely concluded, correctly IMO, that he is worth more to them racing (earnings plus marketability of a high-profile horse) than selling him to the breeding shed. If he was by a fashionable sire, it's doubtful that he'd be racing this year.

I couldn't agree more....and even with that they are planning an aggressive three race campaign for him this year.

One of the best things about turf racing is that turf horses have little to no value as sires and thus we get to see them race for more seasons.

maybe another added benefit in socal with synthetics, no one will want them so they will race longer?