Go Israel
 

It's about time. Funny thing is that IRAN has been funding this crap.

Yeah ... that a real yocker ... but ...

... before too long ... the joke's gonna be on the Persian puzzycats.

San Diego ATTACKED
 

Armed militants across the border in Mexico sent 70 rockets pounding into urban areas of San Diego. The Mexican government stated that there was nothing they could or would do about this attack. Three hundred and twenty people died in the attack.

The UN has told the US to show restraint in regards to the attack.

HOW WOULD YOU FEEL IF THIS WERE TRUE?

Oy, oy, oy....

Well, if the U.S. was occupying Tijuana or Juarez or Metamoras illegally when this happened then I'd feel pissed off if I was a Mexican.

And if the U.S. had a long-standing history of of negotiating with extremist groups and trading 400 prisoners to get one back (a la Israel), well I'd feel pretty pissed off about that too.

What a bunch of crap...I'd feel Ok because by the time the defenders of terrorism like yourself posted crap like this, the US Military would be standing on a pile of ashes that once was Northern Mexico!

Nah, I'm not a supporter of terrorism. No way. But I do think the Palestinians and the Lebanese have a right to be pissed off.

Why is it that if someone doesn't see the world the way the staunchest pro-Israeli folks see it they are automatically American-haters and supporters of terrorism?

That I do not understand. Like billions of people, I just see the world differently than you.

You have every right to see the world any way you want...but read your reply, in responding to a terrorist attack that takes hundreds of innocent American lives, likely many women and children, you editoralize on occupation and past methodology....some folks try way to hard to prove they are intelligent...guess what, so am I! In fact if folks want to compare IQ's....anyway, not important. My response to such an attack....BOOOOM!!!!

Oy. Well, you go on and twist it whatever way your high IQ will alow. And, if it doesn't tax your intellect, answer this... Do the Palestinians have any valid grievances against Israel? That's a simple enough question. I am rapt awaiting your response.

Of course they have valid grievances, but they have equally valid grievances against Syria, Iran and the entire terrorist world that uses their grief and honest anger to turn them into cannon fodder. There are lots of folks that I feel I have honest grievances against...I'm not allowed to kill them or their families and children...nor would I want to do so! You can't rationalize away the cold hard fact that terrorists are evil and cannot be reasoned with...if you live next door to one, I'm sorry for your situation but I'd strongly advise you to move!

The Palestinians should have grievances against their decades of leaders and the other Arab countries that have used them as pawns in political BS!

Damn! Palestinians can't get no love from anyone. Well, here's my last contribution to a torrid topic.

1. Terrorism is bad.
2. Hezbo is bad. Much of Hamas too. So too are the other half-dozen or so other etremist Islamic groups as well as the far-right -of-right Zionists who wish ill on Arab people regardless of nationalilty or religion.
3. No easily named "good guys" or "bad guys" in this.
4. It's a failure of politics. WTF did people expect to happen in Lebanon? Fledgling democracy fairly ignored by the West with Hezbo ALLOWED to participate politically.
5. I'm not nuts about the Israelis' past history of negotiating trades of prisoners.
6. Not all Arabs want to see the Israelis pushed into the sea. Certainly I do not.
7. Much of the non-US, non-Israel world sees the rise of terrorism as the unfortunate result of the Palestinian issue. Without that issue resolved, the legitimacy of these radical groups does increase. Right or wrong.
8. Whatever happened to the "roadmap" to peace? Plenty of blame to go around.
9. I do believe the "lasting peace" goes through Palestine and the implementation of a two-state solution.
10. Wherever and whomever your thoughts are with, I hope you and yours stay safe.

No offenses meant and certainly none taken. Truly the issue of our time.

Agreed, and I have to admit that I enjoy antagonizing a bit. I am 25% Arab and a strong supporter of Israel but there is plenty of blame on all sides. I think the tough talk is necessary for diplomacy to have a chance but I hope down deep, we all pray for peace! If you doubt me on this, a quick glance at my Myspace site might convince you I'm somewhat tongue-in-cheek here at times.

Tim ... I made that point 47 times on another thread.

Arabia is the homeland for Arabs ... it's a very large and wealthy country ... yet its rulers keep Palestinians ... a/k/a Judean Arabs ... out of there at the point of a gun ... and so do all the other countries run by their Arab "brethren."

Yet the Palestinians are convinced that teeny-tiny Israel is their enemy and oppressor. Can the Palestinians be dumber? It's hard to see how.

Well, I had "retired" from this thread, but I'll make a special exception for this wingnut.

1. Your "only good Arab is a dead Arab" comment ... bigotry noted. Tsk, tsk.

2. Arabs at risk in FL, Tx, etc....? Well, we're getting along just fine with our Semite bretheren down here in So Flo. Are the "death squads" more active in Texas? Have Bush Sr.'s vast array of Saudi pals been disinvited from the barbeques?

3. Yes, the Lebanese are showing some spine. Why the hell shouldn't they? Israel was way off in assessing this likelihood. They will amass more and more troops at the border in a show of strength but that's about as far as they'll go. The Israelis, as I noted several times, want no part of the Syrians.

4. Use of nuclear weapons? For this? A border skirmish? Really now. I"t's not going to happen. I think you imagine yorself strapped to a bomb headed for Damascus waving your hat like in that movie.... yee ha!

5, Your daughter's teacher. Too bad but, as you noted, there will be casualties. May Allah have mercy on his soul.

A couple years ago Israel traded 430 prisoners to get back Elhanan. Bad, very bad precedent. Hopefully Israel will not continue down this ill-advised path. Instead of focusing on trading prisoners this time, hopefully Israel will work harder on a longer-term solution.

Well, two things...there will be no uniting of Arabs worldwide against Israel, that's an empty threat. secondly, Syria would stand no chance against the Israeli army...none, zip, nada! I mean really, Syria fighting a conventional war, defending themselves instead of brainwashing others into doing their fighting for them??? Wouldn't last but a couple days! Iran would be a lot tougher, rough country side coupled with actual fanatics...but the result would never be in doubt!

lets make it clear that the Israeli army is basically a branch of the US military. Lets make that clear. a couple of billion a year over the last fifty will give you some pretty sweet little gadgets.

I love how someone who claims to be "further left than anyone on this forum" speaks of war as if it is some kind of sporting contest. I love how someone who claims to want to "compare IQ scores" could come across as being so utterly ignorant.

Sorry to learn about your daughter's teacher. What a tragedy for his beautiful family. He gave his life defending freedom ... may it not have been in vain.

But I think all this jabber about the Lebanese army joining with Hezbollah ... is just that ... a bunch of jabber and political posturing. I don't think there's the remotest chance that they will do that ... or that they even want to.

Ralph Peters today compared Olmert to Clinton ... a weak leader who only sends out bombers ... but who is afraid to put boots on the ground. I hope and pray that isn't true ... but so far Olmert gets a "D" ... and is closing in on an "F." What a mistake Israel made by not putting Bibi back in charge.

Okay, boss- Ive talked to Mr. Olmert and he has decided to use your war strategy. I knew it wouldnt take long. Whether it is advising Bobby Frankel or PM Olmert they all know the man with the master plan and that Dixie!

Mr. Olmert at first questioned the rationale of using Nuclear weapons against a BORDERING country. He said something about fallout and radiation and how it might do just as much harm to his own people.

He also mentioned something about the use of Nuclear weapons being Illegal but i dont know how he would begin to even imagine that Dixie didnt know that.

There were a couple of other issues but at the end of the conversation he just said "hey, if Dixie says 'drop the bomb' that means 'drop the bomb'".

I sure am proud of you boss. Your politics and war planning are extremely sound and thought out. Perhaps Mr. Bush should start listening.

Assisttodixie,
Now we're talking! Let's get this done as soon as possible.
Otherwise, Hezzbos are going to take lessons from the Vietnamese on how to sharpen bamboo, if ya know what I mean.
The USA and Israel shouldn't have to endure the indignity of getting their
butts handed to them by people that uses bicycles, sharpened sticks, and strap on bombs. Looks like they're running low on katuskas. Let's get this over with! Dixie is right! Now need for further talk!!!
Bring it on!

Fupeg ... Fupeg ... we already knew that you weren't Dixie's favorite piece of assistant ... and this post only affirms it.

Dixie has already posted that Israel shouldn't use nukes on a neighboring country ... but should drop them way up in Syria ... where they'll have the best military effect ... and the least ancillary fallout.

If he really were your Boss ... wouldn't you have typed out his earlier post ... and known what was in it?

Now go back to those two cute kids ... and be a good little mommy ... and let the big, strong, chiselled-chin men do all the heavy thinking.

I don't think that there is any contradiction about someone who leans left being a strong supporter of Israel. It's basically a non-partisan issue. Israel has strong bi-partisan support in both the House and the Senate.
With regard to your contention that some people sound like they are pro-war, nobody likes war, but there isn't any alternative when you're dealing with terrorists.

I'll cede to you, johnny-on-the-spot ... and hope and pray that you're right.

By the way ... you may have noticed that Fupeg is back on the scene with her record machine ... claiming to be your favorite piece of assistant.

That's only because things are so excruciatingly boring over at that other forum ... that her middlingly creative mind is screaming for a satisfactory outlet ...

... which she can only find by trailing us around.

If only she were smart enough to recognize that we're her natural allies and mentors ... she'd have a much, much happier life. Oh Fu ... Fu ... Fu ... you've made such bad choices of "friends" ... please pray to God to give you the gift of a bit more wisdom.

Boss-

You always have the answers. Ive learned so much from you! The WORLD has learned so much from you. Just think- it wasnt until today that i find out that Israel has more advanced Nuclear capability than the US. Those secret underground facilities and their single reactor would definitely trump anything the US may have. i mean,the US has only been making nuclear weapons since before Israel was even in existance. Israeli nuclear technology was only MOSTLY borrowed from the US so it only figures that they would have a more sophisticated arsenal. Hey, maybe thats why they didnt sign the NPT. One step ahead as always boss. One step ahead.

And as far as fallout travelling, how would they know? How would they be able to test it? And if they did test it, wouldnt that be...illegal?????? Damascus is a little more than 100 miles from Jerusalem (of course- you knew that) so there isnt a chance with all of that sophisticated, untested technology that it could possibly travel that far or even to other places. You are right again boss...right again.

Yes, now i know why Olmert listens to you. Your war strategy is absolutely brilliant! Napolean salutes you from his grave.

That is news to me that "Israeli nuclear technology was mostly borrowed from the US". I know I shouldn't doubt you after reading all of your brilliant posts, but what is your source on that information?

Why does anyone care about Israel or Lebanon? Neither has anything to offer the world. They could blow each other up and nothing would happen. There is no oil there and the people are all religious nuts. They don't even have good horse racing there. I would love to see both blow themselves up so we could get back to following the war that OUR COUNTRY is involved with.

Her source?

Dixie already told us ...

... it's that bottle of hooch she keeps hidden under the trailer.

Sorry, kid ... it's the SAME war ...

... and Israel is on OUR side.

It's very interesting that you consider human beings to be expendable if they're religious. You didn't really mean to say that ... did you?

And as far as good horse racing goes ... all thoroughbreds descend from Middle Eastern horses ... even Bold Ruler ... whose father ... by the way ... was bred by the Aga Khan.

First of all Mr. pumpkin, im not the brilliant one, Dixie is. The only brilliance ive shown is going to work for such a brilliant man. I have the best job in the world. Dixie is not only a world class horse trainer, poker player and socialite-he is now the behind the scenes defense minister/war planner/foreign policy maker in Israel.

Now, to answer your question (and i hope the boss doesnt mind me speaking out of school. this is really classified stuff here), it is common knowledge where Israel got its Nuclear technology. If it is news to you, then this probably wont be a very fruitful exchange for me but I'll humor you anyway. French Scientists working on the Manhattan project were "allowed" to give the technology to Israel. Furthermore, one Israeli scientist actually worked in Los Alamos. That is the basis for the entire program.

And it goes on through the years. Before US technology for missile delivery, Israel borrowed US technology to deliver the bomb via plane. Do you know what Kryton switches are? Have you ever heard of Richard Smith? Jericho missiles? Heavy water?

I dont know the answers to any of the questions that ive just asked you but the Boss does. He's the real genius here. He was actually on the manhattan project at the tender age of 3.

You know darn well ... that Dixie was already a 6YO when Dr. Fermi brought him along as an advisor.

You lose whatever little credibility you have left when you expect people to believe that a 3YO could be a nuclear weapons advisor.

There goes my memory again! Boss is going to kill me. Yes, he was 6 and in between studying pedigrees and developing the training methods used by BA Jones, Dixie had a HUGE hand in developing the bomb.

I've read the same pieces that you have. I would hardly say that Israel got their nuclear technology from the US. Israel has some of the best scientists in the world. As you said, one of them even did some work at Los Alamos.

Same war? What world do you live in? Last I checked the US was in a real war where tens of thousands of troops have died and been injured. This little conflict in Israel/Lebanon is like two little annoying kids fighting. The problem is that it is my tax dollar paying for it. These crazy backwards religious groups and countries have been fighting for thousands of years.

Israel in not on OUR side. Israel is on Israel's side. They are a strategic liability to the United States. All we need from the Middle East is oil and they have none. I think they should defend themselves and do whatever they have to do, but not with my tax dollar. If they weren't such wimps they would have dealt with this problem long ago with their own money. There are plenty of americans that are poor and plenty of other needs our country has than giving billions to all of these backwards Middle Eastern countries, of which Israel is one. All these countries in the Middle East live in the Stone Age. No rational human being can believe the religious garbage that comes out of orthodox religious people, which are the types that run these countries. How can you take a country seriously that shuts down one day a week? The symbol of their country is a religious symbol. No country that wants to be taken seriously can have that. The only thing Israel has going for it is that it is not nearly as backwards as the religious nutjobs that surround it.

I think people like you need to ask yourself if you first allegiance is to America or another country. This dual citizenship garbage is nonsense.

lol.

Dirty words at 20 paces.

I'll fight you and one foot.

I'll fight you with one paw tied behind my back.

I'll fight you with one eye closed.

Why, I oughta....

What a clown.

as salaam alaykium

You are a coward, just like your countrymen in Israel. I am a deist, just like the people that founded "my country", although I really don't consider it your country considering you loyalties seem to be mixed. Israel beats up on poor people with my tax dollar and then they are too big of cowards to go and fight with the terrorists face to face so they bomb innocent people. That is the act of cowards.

I much rather have my tax dollar going to help people that are victims of somthing like Hurricane Katrina than to some countries that live in the Stone Age.

If less than 10% of "your country" is orthodox why do they have a star of david on your flag?

Here is Pat Buchanans piece on your site Townhall.com. THE LAST SENTENCE SUMS IT UP FOR ME. No, Kenny boy, we are not "all Israelis." "Some of us still think of ourselves as Americans, first, last, and always . And, no, Mr. Kristol, this is not "our war." It's your war."


http://www.townhall.com/columnists/P...is_not_our_war

Today, we are all Israelis!" brayed Ken Mehlman of the Republican National Committee to a gathering of Christians United for Israel.

One wonders if these Christians care about what is happening to our Christian brethren in Lebanon and Gaza, who have had all power cut off by Israeli air strikes, an outlawed form of collective punishment, that has left them with no sanitation, rotting food, impure water and days without light or electricity in the horrible heat of July.

When summer power outages occur in America, it means a rising rate of death among our sick and elderly, and women and infants. One can only imagine what a hell it must be today in Gaza City and Beirut.

But all this carnage and destruction has only piqued the blood lust of the hairy-chested warriors at The Weekly Standard. In a signed editorial, "It's Our War," William Kristol calls for America to play her rightful role in this war by "countering this act of aggression by Iran with a military strike against Iranian nuclear facilities. Why wait?"

"Why wait?" Well, one reason is that the United States has not been attacked. A second is a small thing called the Constitution. Where does George W. Bush get the authority to launch a war on Iran? When did Congress declare war or authorize a war on Iran?

Answer: It never did. But these neoconservatives care no more about the Constitution than they cared about the truth when they lied into war in Iraq.

"Why wait?" How about thinking of the fate of those 25,000 Americans in Lebanon if we launch an unprovoked war on Iran. How many would wind up dead or hostages of Hezbollah, if Iran gave the order to retaliate for the slaughter of their citizens by U.S. bombs? What would happen to the 130,000 U.S. troops in Iraq, if Shi'ites and Iranian "volunteers" joined forces to exact revenge on our soldiers?

What about America? Richard Armitage, who did four tours in Nam and knows a bit about war, says that, in its ability to attack Western targets, al Qaeda is the B team, Hezbollah the A Team. If Bush bombs Iran, what prevents Hezbollah from launching retaliatory attacks inside the United States? None of this is written in defense of Hamas, Hezbollah or Iran.

But none of them has attacked our country, nor has Syria, whom Bush I made an ally in the Gulf War, and to whom the most decorated soldier in Israeli history, Ehud Barak, offered 99 percent of the Golan Heights. If Nixon, Bush I and Clinton could deal with Hafez al-Assad, a tougher customer than son Bashar, what is the matter with George W. Bush?

The last superpower is impotent in this war because we have allowed Israel to dictate to whom we may and may not talk. Thus, Bush winds up cussing in frustration in St. Petersburg that somebody should tell the Syrians to stop it. Why not pick up the phone, Mr. President?

What is Kristol's moral and legal ground for a war on Iran? It is the "Iranian act of aggression" against Israel, and that Iran is on the road to nuclear weapons, and we can't have that.

But there is no evidence Iran has any tighter control over Hezbollah than we have over Israel, whose response to the capture of two soldiers had all the spontaneity of the Schlieffen Plan. And, again, Hezbollah attacked Israel, not us. And there is no solid proof Iran is in violation of the nuclear non-proliferation treaty, which it has signed, but Israel refuses to sign.

If Iran's nuclear program justifies war, why cannot the neocons make that case in the constitutional way, instead of prodding Bush to launch a Pearl Harbor attack? Do they fear they have no credibility left after pushing Bush into this bloody quagmire in Iraq that has cost almost 2,600 dead and 18,000 wounded Americans?

No, Kenny boy, we are not "all Israelis." Some of us still think of ourselves as Americans, first, last, and always . And, no, Mr. Kristol, this is not "our war." It's your war.

That is the best piece of writing i have seen on here. Thank you very much for a well thought out, well written piece of work.

do you have any idea how incredibly dumb you look? First of all, the quote goes "Religion is the opiate of the masses" you uneducated fool. Secondly, its interesting that such a devout right winger would steal a quote from Karl Marx. LOL

Just brilliant.

[quote=boldruler]You are a coward, just like your countrymen in Israel. I am a deist, just like the people that founded "my country", although I really don't consider it your country considering you loyalties seem to be mixed. Israel beats up on poor people with my tax dollar and then they are too big of cowards to go and fight with the terrorists face to face so they bomb innocent people. That is the act of cowards."

I've heard Israel called a lot of things, but cowards is a new one. I've never heard that one before. Israelis are considered the bravest fighters in the world. Look at all the wars they have endured over the last 50 years. They have been attacked time and time again, sometimes by many of the Arab countries all at once. They are far from cowards. They are as brave as they come.
As to your contention that they should fight the terrorists face to face, what do you think they are doing right now? Thousands of Israelis troops have crossed into Lebanon to fight the terrorists face to face. The cowards are the terrorists who will shoot at you and then go hide in a crowded neighborhood which basically ensures that innocent civilians will get killed. The United States and Israel both go out of their way to avoid civilian casualties. Both countries do everything in their power to minimize civilian casualties.

[quote=Rupert Pupkin]This is funnier than your defense of LITF. You follow propaganda and Fox news and you will be left with this version of "the truth". Ask that bus load of fleeing refugees that got killed by an Israeli (US) missile about "minimizing civillian casualties". Ask the North Vietnamese. Ask the Iraquis.

[quote=Rupert Pupkin]Israelis are considered the bravest fighters in the world? By who, Israelis? The US military would carve up them in two seconds. Half of their military is made up of 18yr old girls. :eek: They are like a single A baseball team and the US Military is the best in big leagues. Please stop comparing the US and Israel. It is a complete insult to the US Military. Our men and women are all over the world protecting people, taking care of tsunami victims, Katrina victims, etc. They go into foreign countries and risk their lives so others can have a better life. The Israeli military is a little military designed to protect itself and nothing else. If it wasn't for my tax dollar they wouldn't even have a military. Israel has every right to protect itself, just do it with their own money.

That is pretty ironic. He's quoting Karl Marx and you're quoting a right-winger like Pat Buchanan.