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mm1019 04-12-2008 04:30 PM

Pyro
 
Pyro is finished

SniperSB23 04-12-2008 04:31 PM

Cause he can't run on polytrack? I'm hoping everyone feels that way and I can get some odds in the Derby.

lemoncrush 04-12-2008 04:31 PM

Huh? Was he injured?
It played out like I, and many others thought it would.
Synthetics is the great equalizer.
He still will run big at churchill, in my opinon.

letswastemoney 04-12-2008 04:32 PM

polyflops don't count

jcs11204 04-12-2008 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by letswastemoney
polyflops don't count

not that it ever mattered, because i never thought pyro had a chance in a month.

anyway...i am thinking monba and cowboy cal are both legit. and i might be off the court vision-colonel john thing

ManilaRose 04-12-2008 04:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mm1019
Pyro is finished

Signed,

Street Sense

jcs11204 04-12-2008 04:33 PM

cowboy cal could recieve.......a absoulte dream trip in the derby, right behind the major speeds. i might be making him my new top horse.

jcs11204 04-12-2008 04:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ManilaRose
Signed,

Street Sense

HUGE DIFFERENCE
street sense came with a run and got a lot out of the race... what did pyro just do ? lol pyro is finished and i hope ppl ignore this and bet him in the derby.

SniperSB23 04-12-2008 04:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jcs11204
cowboy cal could recieve.......a absoulte dream trip in the derby, right behind the major speeds. i might be making him my new top horse.

You do realize they are running the race on dirt, right?

mm1019 04-12-2008 04:36 PM

I don't want to hear after the race from steve assmust have been the track trainer from all accounts he was training great on the poly crap.

ateamstupid 04-12-2008 04:36 PM

Don't feed the trolls.

ManilaRose 04-12-2008 04:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jcs11204
HUGE DIFFERENCE
street sense came with a run and got a lot out of the race... what did pyro just do ? lol pyro is finished and i hope ppl ignore this and bet him in the derby.

Yeah, it was a joke, sort of...

To say he's finished is also a joke, assuming he comes out of the race in good order.

tjfla 04-12-2008 04:37 PM

Love it he just went from 5/1 to 8/1 or so

Danzig 04-12-2008 04:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mm1019
Pyro is finished

on poly, yeah.


dammit, i had monba in my rttr and benched him in favor of others. it figures.

Danzig 04-12-2008 04:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jcs11204
not that it ever mattered, because i never thought pyro had a chance in a month.

anyway...i am thinking monba and cowboy cal are both legit. and i might be off the court vision-colonel john thing

shocking.

2Hot4TV 04-12-2008 04:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jcs11204
not that it ever mattered, because i never thought pyro had a chance in a month.

anyway...i am thinking monba and cowboy cal are both legit. and i might be off the court vision-colonel john thing

They just might be Poly Pops............. The Derby is going to be intresting.

2Hot4TV 04-12-2008 04:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jcs11204
cowboy cal could recieve.......a absoulte dream trip in the derby, right behind the major speeds. i might be making him my new top horse.

That will be where the Derby winner will be and I dont see Cowboy Cal being that one.

Danzig 04-12-2008 04:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jcs11204
cowboy cal could recieve.......a absoulte dream trip in the derby, right behind the major speeds. i might be making him my new top horse.


you better wait. the arkansas derby is coming up, i'd hate to see you have to make too many moves to new faves in a day.:rolleyes:

hi_im_god 04-12-2008 04:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jcs11204
not that it ever mattered, because i never thought pyro had a chance in a month.

anyway...i am thinking monba and cowboy cal are both legit. and i might be off the court vision-colonel john thing

you'll be off this after the lexington next week.

ArlJim78 04-12-2008 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by hi_im_god
you'll be off this after the lexington next week.

then there's the derbytrial.

Slewstoo 04-12-2008 04:57 PM

LOL, yeah he's finished. I hope the betting public feels the same way so I can make some $$$ on Derby day by getting him at great odds.

Let me guess you think Monba has a shot in the Derby because he just won on the polycrap?

ArlJim78 04-12-2008 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Slewstoo
LOL, yeah he's finished. I hope the betting public feels the same way so I can make some $$$ on Derby day by getting him at great odds.

Let me guess you think Monba has a shot in the Derby because he just won on the polycrap?

why not? he's also won at churchill.

cmorioles 04-12-2008 05:30 PM

It is pretty tough to take any of these polytrack races seriously. How is it "fair" racing when the rail is so bad every horse has to move 8 wide ASAP? Even still, those furthest inside have little chance. The place is a joke. The funny thing is they promote this Trakus, like being wide matters on that course!

mm1019 04-12-2008 05:30 PM

I have Colonel john at 89-1 in the future wager from jan in vegas so I was happy to see pyro up the track

Slewstoo 04-12-2008 05:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ArlJim78
why not? he's also won at churchill.

Yeah so has Pyro, who's also been little more consistent and explosive the last time I checked.

ArlJim78 04-12-2008 05:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Slewstoo
Yeah so has Pyro, who's also been little more consistent and explosive the last time I checked.

good luck if he's your derby horse and you're unfazed by todays result. last time I checked derby winners don't finish 10th by 12 lengths in their final prep.

cmorioles 04-12-2008 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by ArlJim78
good luck if he's your derby horse and you're unfazed by todays result. last time I checked derby winners don't finish 10th by 12 lengths in their final prep.

Last time I checked, Derby winners don't run on a surface completely foreign to anything else they have ever set foot on in the previous prep. I'd have liked to see him show a little more interest, but I doubt it mattered. He wasn't well meant today.

dylbert 04-12-2008 05:48 PM

1) Who won last year's Toyoda Blue Grass Stakes?

2) Where did winner finish three weeks later?

Pyro didn't run a lick on plastic dirt. Ho hum... Seems that some horses thrive on various versions of synthetic and others just backup. Then, you get some that move from syn-to-dirt and explode and others backup.

Very chaotic element for handicappers. Proven performance on a particular surface appears paramount to repeat success. However, it does not consistantly predict NEXT PERFORMANCE on ANY SURFACE.

Do I sound confused? Yes, I am... Add 20 horse field and complete chaos may prevail.

Slewstoo 04-12-2008 05:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ArlJim78
good luck if he's your derby horse and you're unfazed by todays result. last time I checked derby winners don't finish 10th by 12 lengths in their final prep.

This is not a typical year by any means.

jcs11204 04-12-2008 05:56 PM

guys we will see all i am saying is, i am more intrested in horse's like cowboy cal, monba, court vision and colonel john. then possible favorites like war pass, big brown, pyro.... is there a problem liking horses with good connections that will also offer value ? it seems like everyone rips my opinion but why ? should i just love big brown who will be a horrible favorite, imo. i am sticking to my guns, no changes.... my top 4, in order are......

cowboy cal
court vision
colonel john
monbA

Slewstoo 04-12-2008 05:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jcs11204
guys we will see all i am saying is, i am more intrested in horse's like cowboy cal, monba, court vision and colonel john. then possible favorites like war pass, big brown, pyro.... is there a problem liking horses with good connections that will also offer value ? it seems like everyone rips my opinion but why ? should i just love big brown who will be a horrible favorite, imo. i am sticking to my guns, no changes.... my top 4, in order are......

cowboy cal
court vision
colonel john
monbA

Top 4, as in contenders? With the exception of Colonel John, that is a very original list to say the least. Would love to see what that super would pay.

ateamstupid 04-12-2008 06:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jcs11204
guys we will see all i am saying is, i am more intrested in horse's like cowboy cal, monba, court vision and colonel john. then possible favorites like war pass, big brown, pyro.... is there a problem liking horses with good connections that will also offer value ? it seems like everyone rips my opinion but why ? should i just love big brown who will be a horrible favorite, imo. i am sticking to my guns, no changes.... my top 4, in order are......

cowboy cal
court vision
colonel john
monbA

Colonel John will be half the price of War Pass.

hoovesupsideyourhead 04-12-2008 06:22 PM

smooth air............:D

jcs11204 04-12-2008 06:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Slewstoo
Top 4, as in contenders? With the exception of Colonel John, that is a very original list to say the least. Would love to see what that super would pay.

those are my 4.... pick 3 and 4 ending with the derby i will have those 4 and no one else.... i will use the next 2 weeks to figure out who my win bet will be, but it will come out of those 4

hockey2315 04-12-2008 06:26 PM

cowboy cal - no shot
court vision - no shot
colonel john - decent shot
monba - very very small shot

jcs11204 04-12-2008 06:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hockey2315
cowboy cal - no shot
court vision - no shot
colonel john - decent shot
monba - very very small shot

you should talk....... the same person who told me to single the 6 in the second today, when my original post had pletcher on it. lol

anyway i dont see how cowboy cal has no shot !

hockey2315 04-12-2008 06:34 PM

If you singled off of someone else's advice from a message board who you don't know then you deserve to lose. How'd you do in the other legs?

jcs11204 04-12-2008 06:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hockey2315
If you singled off of someone else's advice from a message board who you don't know then you deserve to lose. How'd you do in the other legs?

you know... i would have had red hot bullet
ran second third and fourth in the turf race
and then been dq's in the 5th
my only hit today was cowboy cal, i went 75 wps on him, and that did noeven get me close to even.

hockey2315 04-12-2008 06:37 PM

Tough luck. . . I had 3/4 in the late PK4 but never would've had the winner of the last.

jcs11204 04-12-2008 06:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hockey2315
Tough luck. . . I had 3/4 in the late PK4 but never would've had the winner of the last.

yea today was shitty, i pounded lady chace at aqueduct, worst bet i have made in a long time, cowboy cal would have been gigantic, but the place show payouts were decent.


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