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philcski 04-08-2008 12:06 PM

4/11 (KEE): Maker's Mark Mile (Gr. I)
 
9th (5:10) Maker's Mark Mile S. (G1)

1 Mile (Turf) | Open | 4 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $300,000

1 Kip Deville Velasquez C 123 L
2 Einstein (BRZ) Albarado R J 123 LA
3 Parading Velazquez J R 117 LA
4 Ruff and Ready Coa E M 117 LA
5 Thousand Words (GB) Castellano J J 117 LA
6 Zann Leparoux J R 117 LA
7 Cosmonaut Prado E S 119 L
8 Out of Control (BRZ) Gomez G K 121 LA
9 Shakis (IRE) Garcia Alan 117 LA
10 War Monger Desormeaux K J 119 LA
11 Thorn Song Bejarano R 117 LA



About as good a field for this category you would see outside of the BC Mile.

SniperSB23 04-08-2008 12:10 PM

Wow, that is pretty loaded.

declansharbor 04-08-2008 12:16 PM

Shaped up to be one of the best races of the year so far. I don't even know which way I'll be playing it. Can't wait for this one...

Bigsmc 04-08-2008 12:16 PM

Without looking at a Form, PG1985 posts his lock for the race in

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Scav 04-08-2008 12:31 PM

your right phil, that race is LOADED.

any chance we see Firm that day or is the weather still retarded?

Scav 04-08-2008 12:55 PM

I just had a write up for each horse and f'n lost it. you guys get nothing now :)

booner 04-08-2008 12:56 PM

Absolutely loaded. VERY good field.

30%-50% chance of T-storms starting early tommorrow morning and continuing throughout the weekend. Doesn't look good for a firm course. I'm thinking yielding at best.

zippyneedsawin 04-08-2008 12:56 PM

wow.. nice field... especially for this time of year.

cakes44 04-08-2008 01:09 PM

Has Showing Up officially retired yet?

favoritetrick 04-08-2008 01:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cakes44
Has Showing Up officially retired yet?

Yes, the Jacksons are in the process of looking for a stallion home for him, most likely overseas.

Scav 04-08-2008 01:19 PM

lets see how close I can get to the ML odds
 
1 Kip Deville Velasquez C 123 = 2/1
2 Einstein (BRZ) Albarado R J 123 = 6/1
3 Parading Velazquez J R 117 = 30/1
4 Ruff and Ready Coa E M 117 = 50/1
5 Thousand Words (GB) Castellano J J 117 = 9/2
6 Zann Leparoux J R 117 = 50/1
7 Cosmonaut Prado E S 119 = 4/1
8 Out of Control (BRZ) Gomez G K 121 = 12/1
9 Shakis (IRE) Garcia Alan 117 = 10/1
10 War Monger Desormeaux K J 119 = 8/1
11 Thorn Song Bejarano R 117 = 50/1

Bigsmc 04-08-2008 01:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scav
1 Kip Deville Velasquez C 123 = 2/1
2 Einstein (BRZ) Albarado R J 123 = 6/1
3 Parading Velazquez J R 117 = 30/1
4 Ruff and Ready Coa E M 117 = 50/1
5 Thousand Words (GB) Castellano J J 117 = 9/2
6 Zann Leparoux J R 117 = 50/1
7 Cosmonaut Prado E S 119 = 4/1
8 Out of Control (BRZ) Gomez G K 121 = 12/1
9 Shakis (IRE) Garcia Alan 117 = 10/1
10 War Monger Desormeaux K J 119 = 8/1
11 Thorn Song Bejarano R 117 = 50/1


Is that off the top of your head, or did you look at a Form?

The Indomitable DrugS 04-08-2008 01:29 PM

What do you think?

He's got Rough And Ready 50/1 - even though he's a Pletcher runner who's 4-for-4 lifetime on the turf - with three of those four wins coming by margins of 5.5 lengths or more.

I think Scavs future as a linemaker is about as bright as mine as a song writer.

jcs11204 04-08-2008 01:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bigsmc
Is that off the top of your head, or did you look at a Form?

shakis and war monger will both be lower then your touting them to be

Scav 04-08-2008 01:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bigsmc
Is that off the top of your head, or did you look at a Form?

Top of my head....I just made them messing around.

Drugs, I did it because the horse is way outclassed....

The Indomitable DrugS 04-08-2008 01:41 PM

I know Scavarino - I know.

But you did say "let's see how close I can get to the ML odds" ... even if you (or an ML maker) have a knock on a horse or don't like it's chances - the ML makers job is to assign horses odds based on what he believes they will close at.

Scav 04-08-2008 01:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
I know Scavarino - I know.

But you did say "let's see how close I can get to the ML odds" ... even if you (or an ML maker) have a knock on a horse or don't like it's chances - the ML makers job is to assign horses odds based on what he believes they will close at.

Well, IN MY WORLD, I assign what they should close at :)

I'll be sure to clarify if I am speaking of Scav's world or real world.

Love the addition of 'arino', a good touch

Scav 04-08-2008 01:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
I know Scavarino - I know.

But you did say "let's see how close I can get to the ML odds" ... even if you (or an ML maker) have a knock on a horse or don't like it's chances - the ML makers job is to assign horses odds based on what he believes they will close at.

Is 8/1 realistic on War Monger, I have a little fun with him in this race if those odds can hold true, want to rewatch his last race at SA to see what happened there.

The Indomitable DrugS 04-08-2008 01:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scav

Love the addition of 'arino', a good touch


Thanks man.

But I'd say it was a bit of a 'bounce' after my James Taylor lyrics tweaking epicocity.

brockguy 04-08-2008 01:53 PM

surely 1000 words isnt good enough here?? why 9/2 scav

cakes44 04-08-2008 02:03 PM

Scavs, what I want to know is what are the odds of Out of Control getting scratched? That horse will be way overbet just because of Frankel/Gomez. His ability doesn't match up with these and his style of running won't match Keeneland's turf course.

He should be 20/1, but I'm guessing he gets bet down to 6/1 or 7/1 if Frankel actually runs him.

Scav 04-08-2008 02:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brockguy
surely 1000 words isnt good enough here?? why 9/2 scav

because people love Frankel and the last was somewhat impressive....

Your the Euro corespondent, she would toss 1000 words?

brockguy 04-08-2008 02:12 PM

1000 Words doesnt scream G1 horse to me, he never has, always came up short against a quality field.. he was a good 2year old but didnt really progress last year, in fact, his last few races in England were shocking..

Frankel does seem to be able to work the oracle on these types though..

cakes44 04-08-2008 02:14 PM

I was just perusing the nominations for this race and noticed Olympic Chief. How/why in the world is he not in this race?

The Indomitable DrugS 04-08-2008 02:18 PM

How has he runs since debuting in last years Arkansas Derby?

I think the Makers Mark would have been a shrewd spot for him to make his turf debut.

Scav 04-08-2008 02:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cakes44
Scavs, what I want to know is what are the odds of Out of Control getting scratched? That horse will be way overbet just because of Frankel/Gomez. His ability doesn't match up with these and his style of running won't match Keeneland's turf course.

He should be 20/1, but I'm guessing he gets bet down to 6/1 or 7/1 if Frankel actually runs him.

i agree, he has taken advantage of some short semi questionable fields out west....

cakes44 04-08-2008 02:23 PM

That's what I thought too, drugs. The Chief ran in two MSWs since his debut, and was actually beaten less than a pole in his last. And...as we all know, Davidson knows how to get them to fire huge off the layoff.

Mike 04-08-2008 07:28 PM

I'll be interested on Ruff and Ready's actual odds, might be right there on the lead

GPK 04-08-2008 08:02 PM

Zann at 50-1?? You are more nuts than I thought. 2nd time for KMac and surely didn't have the easiest of trips last out at Gulf. He was 5-1 that day.

mclem10011 04-08-2008 08:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by philcski
9th (5:10) Maker's Mark Mile S. (G1)

1 Mile (Turf) | Open | 4 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $300,000

1 Kip Deville Velasquez C 123 L
2 Einstein (BRZ) Albarado R J 123 LA
3 Parading Velazquez J R 117 LA
4 Ruff and Ready Coa E M 117 LA
5 Thousand Words (GB) Castellano J J 117 LA
6 Zann Leparoux J R 117 LA
7 Cosmonaut Prado E S 119 L
8 Out of Control (BRZ) Gomez G K 121 LA
9 Shakis (IRE) Garcia Alan 117 LA
10 War Monger Desormeaux K J 119 LA
11 Thorn Song Bejarano R 117 LA



About as good a field for this category you would see outside of the BC Mile.

Wow! What a fine group, great race on tap!

wac 04-08-2008 09:23 PM

I hate to say it but the weather looks like its gonna awful all weekend here in the Bluegrass state. I wish it wasn't b/c this is a really good field and would love to be able to catch war monger back after that debacle in Calif. Just have to wait and see how things look on Friday.

Alan07 04-08-2008 09:35 PM

If it is off the turf, who would scratch?

VOL JACK 04-09-2008 09:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scav
1 Kip Deville Velasquez C 123 = 2/1
2 Einstein (BRZ) Albarado R J 123 = 6/1
3 Parading Velazquez J R 117 = 30/1
4 Ruff and Ready Coa E M 117 = 50/1
5 Thousand Words (GB) Castellano J J 117 = 9/2
6 Zann Leparoux J R 117 = 50/1
7 Cosmonaut Prado E S 119 = 4/1
8 Out of Control (BRZ) Gomez G K 121 = 12/1
9 Shakis (IRE) Garcia Alan 117 = 10/1
10 War Monger Desormeaux K J 119 = 8/1
11 Thorn Song Bejarano R 117 = 50/1

This is without a doubt the worst ML in history. Scav, u r the man.:D

My top 3 picks were the fav and two 50-1 shots. "back up the truck time".

knickslions2 04-09-2008 01:43 PM

1 1 Kip Deville Velasquez C Dutrow, Jr. R E 123 L 5-2
2 2 Einstein (BRZ) Albarado R J Pitts Helen 123 LA 4-1
3 3 Parading Velazquez J R McGaughey III C R 117 LA 20-1
4 4 Ruff and Ready Coa E M Pletcher Todd A 117 LA 10-1
5 5 Thousand Words (GB) Castellano J J Frankel Robert 117 LA 10-1
6 6 Zann Leparoux J R McLaughlin Kiaran P 117 LA 10-1
7 7 Cosmonaut Prado E S Serpe Philip M 119 L 6-1
8 8 Out of Control (BRZ) Gomez G K Frankel Robert 121 LA 10-1
9 9 Shakis (IRE) Garcia Alan McLaughlin Kiaran P 117 LA 8-1
10 10 War Monger Desormeaux K J Mott William I 119 LA 10-1
11 11 Thorn Song Bejarano R Romans Dale 117 LA 15-1


Great field like Shakis at 8-1

Scav 04-09-2008 01:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VOL JACK
This is without a doubt the worst ML in history. Scav, u r the man.:D

My top 3 picks were the fav and two 50-1 shots. "back up the truck time".

I was pretty close on most of them. But yeah, way off on others. 10/1 on Ruff and Ready is ridiculous. He is facing multiple graded stakes horses, I would play the horse at 45/1 or better.

NEVER SAID I WAS A GENIUS at ML making. I'll add this to the multiple page document of things I am not a genius at :)

VOL JACK 04-09-2008 08:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scav
I was pretty close on most of them. But yeah, way off on others. 10/1 on Ruff and Ready is ridiculous. He is facing multiple graded stakes horses, I would play the horse at 45/1 or better.

NEVER SAID I WAS A GENIUS at ML making. I'll add this to the multiple page document of things I am not a genius at :)

As for your sig, The Bid is the king of the hedge. trust me.

Scav 04-10-2008 11:24 AM

I take back what I said about Ruff and Ready. Besides Kip Deville, he is the fastest damn horse in the race.

I do think Kip Deville is unplayable here. I would much rather play him in his next start then this one.

As much as I don't want to say this, Einstein is value here, along with Ruff and Ready and Shakis.

hockey2315 04-10-2008 11:42 AM

From 50-1 to one of your top picks, Scavie? I like Ruff and Ready too.

Scav 04-10-2008 11:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hockey2315
From 50-1 to one of your top picks, Scavie? I like Ruff and Ready too.

Yeah, I'm a moron. Ran a real good number last time, but he hasn't faced much. Don't really have a top pick in the race, very contentious. If I had to play one horse, I would be playing Einstein to Win and boxing him with like four other horses in the exacta.

Hickory Hill Hoff 04-11-2008 07:16 AM

All I can say is.....WOW! what a race, as good as it gets.


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