I've Seen All I Need To See With Big Brown
 

Hello Handicappers,

I Watch The Replay This Week 10 Times To See Any Flaws In The Florida Derby.big Brown Let Ken Move Him Where And When And How Fast,just Like A Much Older Champion Horse. Times Were Fast,
Big Brown Responded Like A Seasoned Horse. Just 3 Races But I Seen What I Wanted In A Horse, Going In A 20 Horse Field For Derby. The Horse Has To Let The Jockey Moved Him In Order To Be There. I'm Convinced Barring Tripping Out Of Gate Or Interfered With He Is The Real Thing. No Other Horse Besides Pyro Has This Happened.

Pyro at Keeneland
 

Had the opportunity to watch Pyro watch the last two Mondays at Keeneland. A few friends of mine had wondered how he would handle the synthetic surface, with the Blue Grass Stakes coming up.

To me, he looked visually very impressive in these two works, especially the first one. He was just skimming over the track, and stood out from most of the other workers that morning.

With Curlin coming to Keeneland from Dubai, I wonder if Asmussen will resume working them together as Pyro leads up to the Derby. Should be interesting to watch!

I would be surprised if Curlin has a workout anytime soon, with or without pyro. He won't be running again until
mid-to-late summer, I assume.

BB 's time was a whole second faster than Barbaro

Freak horse indeed

I hope this was a joke

Hello computer generated program. In the future tell your creator that, in this country, TYPICALLY, we don't upper case the first letter of every word. In fact, doing so is a sign of illiteracy.

Back to the drawing board.

Might I suggest you hook up with the poster, now residing in my IGGY BIN, who doesn't believe in SPACES after punctuation.

The time? NO

It wasn't any better than Curlin's final prep last year, and it's way too early to say he can touch that one...by the way, Curlin was 3rd in the Derby. Yes, it was impressive any way you slice it, but the question isn't how good it was, the question is how good will the next one be under different circumstances.

So you're comparing times from races two years apart? That's always a good idea. . .

Good point. That's an exercise in futility. However, I can certainly understand comparing the two -- respectively -- to every other race on the card, the weather, bias, etc. and so on, right down the line. Whether or not that gives you some "substance" of comparison I guess would be in the eye of the beholder.

I was extremely high on Curlin from day one and thought he would be a factor in the Derby. I was worried about "too much too soon" and whether or not he had the seasoning, experience, and what was needed for a Triple Crown campaign; but with each successive start that had to be less and less of a concern. I liked him in the Derby, very much. I loved him in the Preakness. The Belmont to me is somewhat enigmatic so let's forget that for the time being.

For whatever reasons, I have been extremely high on Big Brown from the moment I saw him break his maiden at the Spa. Now, I don't know, maybe this is different. Sure, he raced once as a two year old. But if his "problems" are exclusively his feet, great, but if not . . . Like I said, I don't know. People had similar discussions about Empire Maker, but he wasn't sound from almost day one, and we all know how that story goes.

To me, Big Brown is just more puzzling than Curlin and that just makes me less strong and confident. He could be the next ___fill in the blank___. I'd love to see it. On the other hand . . . Anyway, the verdict is still out.

Eric

I am going to guess the reason had something to do with him winning his debut that day by double digit lengths at 17/1 odds for a trainer who wins with a first time starter once every blue moon?

DING DING DING

Does this mean there won't be a race this year? No Kentucky Derby because Big Brown is the real deal? I think the others will still come out to play and Big Brown will have run big again to have it your way sdj.com.

thats great. let him. that horse will be 5-2 if he makes the gate, maybe less. with people like this and the ones that bet once a year he may be lower. i for one am willing to bet against. that wasn't exactly a stellar group he beat. i never get worked up about horses like that until they beat the real contenders. three races then 1 1/4 mile against seasoned rivals. not saying he can't but he probably won't .

What "real contenders" are there besides Pyro and War Pass?

Tell Me What 3 Yr Old Has Beat Any Real Contenders? They Have All
Ran Against Only 3 Yr Old In These Preps For Only 3yr Olds. Duhhh!

I,m Glad I Just Ruin Your Day With My Typing. You Sweat The Small
Stuff.you Are Right I Am Illiterate.

I Thought This Was A Web Site To Talk Horses, But Everybody Complains About My Typing And Has Smart-ass Remarks,well Most
Of You Just Want To Play On A Web Site,you're Not Really Interested About Betting And Making A Few Bucks You're Kids With
A Joy Stick Later Duuuuuuuuuuuuuudes.

Pretty thin skinned tonight. Stick around and you find that we can bet the bucks with the best of players. I'm small time and wager about $1500 a month and am willing to share my picks with anybody.

Big Brown romps in the Derby. He towers over anyone else. I have watched a pretty weak crop of 3 year olds crawl home in a bunch of boring preps for the last 2 months and have seen all I need to see. This horse is the goods and so much reminds me of Saint Liam. I think we are looking at a potential triple crown winner too.
He'll sit right off Bob Black Jack and open up by as many as Prado wants to :D
If you can get 3/1 on him on Derby Day, dont make another bet all day long.

I think that the horse ran very well in the Fla Derby and has tremendous potential, but I will probably toss him in the derby. My reasons are, besides the post in the Fla. derby (where he broke sharply and go to the front anyway) he has had 3 pretty clean perfect trips. Now he will be in a field of 20, (at a short price) and probably have to deal with some sort of adversity somewhere. The most important thing for me is that I think that there will be a lot of pace in the race. It seems that even if BB doesn't need the lead, he still wants to be up front. I am hoping War Pass and horses like Bob Black Jack run and BB gets stuck up front in or near a speed duel. Plus would it be possible that trainers like Assmussen and Pletcher try to backdoor other speed horses into the race through the Coolmore or another late prep? There is a chance that he is just a freak, but I am not taking him at a short price in his 4th career start.

Horse crap Big Brown = Bellamy Road in my book.

Derby Scenario
 

What if Big Brown and War Pass (maybe also Bob Black Jack, etc.) get hooked up in speed duel and then Pyro or Denis of Cork picks up pieces? I am aware that BB has shown some ability to rate, and obviously post positions could play a big role here, but I can definitely picture this scenario coming to pass.

Did anybody else just notice a Gander drive-by posting?

LOL.. yep.

What was wrong with Bellamy Road? He was an extremely talented colt. He happened to be plagued with injuries ... is that his fault?

Nothing wrong with him. This is a perfect example of history repeating itself. Bellamy Road romped in a Derby prep and was proclaimed "the next super horse." He turned out to be a short-priced flop as the Derby favorite in his 4th start. I'll be betting others for the win in the Derby.

He actually ran pretty good in the Derby considering the circumstances he was under.

My issue with the previous post was the reference "Horse crap Big Brown." No shame being compared to Bellamy Road IMO.

Not to nitpick, but the Derby was Bellamy Road's 6th start. In addition to his maiden win, he ran 2 route races as a 2-year-old in stakes. Compared to a lot of horses nowadays, he didn't have a bad foundation.