Another college shooting - Northern Illinois University
 

Pretty wild right now on the local news stations.

Ole boy just walked into a lecture hall and went nuts....

Is there any updates on this story?
http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/02/14/uni...ing/index.html

So far on CBS, they have had two girls that were in the class. It was a white dude in a ski mask, he came from behind a curtain and just started spraying a shotgun, ran out of ammo and then started firing a pistol. The girls said they hit the floor, and then ran out.

Reported as 17 injuries, 2 dead, one of them is the gunman

Maybe one of these days America will wake up and get some serious gun control. Too many guns on the street. KP

this **** would not happen if everyone was packen heat..trust me.....

4 dead not counting the killer

yeah..there would be 10 dead

you think... i dont..id think twice about doing a shoot em up if i knew there would be others in play.. it works down here..you dont know whos packing and it makes for a much less heated conversation..of course this is a very sad day..i have a c carry lic ..and carry when im going to the hood....daley has it ass backwards..criminals are always going to have guns..the lawfull should not be punished....and if you do use it you better be in the right..

so you think 35 kids (or whatever the # was) in a lecture hall should have c carry? and they wouldn't have all shot each other?

and you think this ( or any other) nut wouldn't have done this if he thought they were all packin heat...shoot..most have a death wish anyway and probably would get even more off on getting into a shootout

since most of these shooters end up killing themselves at the end i doubt it. . .

I don't know Matt, it is a very interesting argument. Essentially what I think will happen is that colleges will raise tuition to cover the costs of protection. I also think that they will start locking down things like classrooms like they do dormrooms.

They could even take it another level and get vegas type security with facial recongition and things of that nature.

This guy today wasn't even a student, he was a past student that just came back. This guy was going to kill himself or get killed today. The only problem that one can not fix is the one where you are not breathing anymore. All problems are fixable or managable.

While I obviously don't condone this behavior, I can understand how people get to the point or stress level where you stop thinking clearly and start thinking crazy.

Not to pick on that one part of your post, but understanding how someone can stop thinking clearly and understanding how someone can try and blow away 20 people and themselves are really two different things

and I should have started with the beginning of your post because that is exactly what will happen. When HS Juniors and Srs tour a campus, along with the academics, facilities and staff will be an explanation of the campus security policy, lockdown procedures and fingerprint technology

It is really impossible to stop someone bent on doing something insane like this guy without getting lucky or turning the schools into prisons because they dont care if they get caught and in most cases want to get killed. How much do you want to bet that Mr. gunman has been prescribed antidepressants and stopped taking them?

Dont forget that most universities are politically correct to a fault and would not want to do anything that may 'offend' anyone including psychopaths or terrorists.

I am just saying I can see how people get to this point. And now that one person (Columbine) has done it, it is a thought in people that get to that point.

Someone just said something on the news that it is really a shame that students now have to be on 'alert' when they go to class.

Mr. Simon is correct in that you aren't going to stop these people without having Grade 1 snipers in these classes.

I will tell you this, I wish I had a solution because I could retire by 2009 if I did

I am a PhD student/TA at NIU. The class I am a TA for actually meets in that classroom in Cole Hall every Monday and Wednesday. I was sitting in that classroom yesterday from 11:00-11:50. This whole thing is freakin' nuts.
The latest reports indicate that a total of six people (including the shooter) are dead with I think 15 more injured. As far as I know so far, everybody I know is okay, but it is still possible that some of my students (or former students) are among the injured....or worse.
I don't actually live in DeKalb (I live over an hour away, just outside of Chicago) so I don't know everything that has been going on, but this has been one hell of a crazy day. Apparently the shooter was a grad student in the Sociology department. The sociology department shares a building with several departments - including the history department which I am part of. I guess there is a pretty good chance that I rode in an elevator or said "hi" to this guy sometime last year.
This whole thing is just absolutely crazy.

whenever something horrible like this shooting today happens, people want to talk about ways to keep it from happening again. much as we all would like to think we have control over our lives...really, you don't. the bizarre can take place at any time. not a good feeling, but very much a reality.
used to be that if someone felt suicidal, they'd take themself out. now, it's take as many others as you can first. i don't know why, just seems to be the case these days.
more gun control will only affect the law abiding citizen. criminals are just that, i doubt a gun law being broken would give them pause.

well damn miraja. too close for comfort. glad you weren't there today!!

I could just imagine the emotions man. It is just ridiculous that people get to this point. Thoughts are with you as I am guessing you have a ton of emotions going through your head

I don't necessarily think it is about 'taking care of themselves' as it is the satisfaction of 'revenge' which I feel these people are looking for, in some form. This world is very much has "I'll get you back for ****ing me over or hurting me" mentality instead of just letting things roll off. I am sure there is much that we don't know, this could have been a broken heart(Valentines Day?), revenge, or just random.

Thanks for posting that and I'm very sorry for what you are dealing with now. Sometimes we all get caught up in the aftermath about what could have been done and forget about all those just trying to deal with what happened. Take care and hang in there

And here two of my friends who are Indiana grads were complaining about being embarrassed by their alma mater.

Obviously its not the schools fault but as an NIU alum I know for years there's going to be people who associate NIU with this shooting spree.

Its easier to buy a f-ing handgun than to open an offshore wagering account.....

That is common. Everytime I mention SIU in the state of Illinois people start talking to me about Halloween.....

And you are very right about the last statement.

very true bob hang in there man.. my older sis went there..and ive had friends that went to niu . very sad..

JJP you arent kidding. How sad is that, its easier to buy a gun than open an offshore.

I opened an account about a month ago with one of those Prepaid CC. They closed the card and kept my money!

Miraja, Glad you are alright. Tragic that someone could be so disturbed to open fire on innocent people.

You never hear about gun control as an issue anymore.

Did everyone get a gun by now?

Just isn't the same without Charlton Heston showing up at the GOP convention.

"... my cold dead fingers."

Classic line.

RIP to the victims.

[quote=Cannon Shell]It is really impossible to stop someone bent on doing something insane like this guy without getting lucky or turning the schools into prisons because they dont care if they get caught and in most cases want to get killed. How much do you want to bet that Mr. gunman has been prescribed antidepressants and stopped taking them?[/QUOTE]

Just confirmed gunman was off his medications for about a week or so

[quote=GBBob]that is fed up..condolences.....

did he have a past of violence going back to grade school?..ive seen first hand the way the kids are handled in grade school and hs..if you are hyper at all they put you on drugs..anti social more drugs ..had a friend up that way and his kid was just energetic not disruptive,these schools have to take a certin percentage of students and deem them "special needs" to justify having a psyc on staff they put the kid on ridlin..totally fed em up..its the new way of discipline..then when you dont get the meds ..in the old days if you were out of line you got a slap.. now with kids and tv they are all lawyers..touch me ill throw you in jail..video games and anti depressants .. = this kind of thing......imo

You have a problem you get pills and sent on your way. That is not taking care of the problem. It is only masking it for awhile. The sad truth about today is there are drugs, gangs, violence rampant in our streets. We need to fight the terrorism at home not abroad. Things are out of control right now. I wish I could come up with a solution but I cannot.

Mira...I am saying prayers for the people of NIU.

[quote=GBBob]Yeah shocking.

The problem of Doctors just handing out antidepressants like candy is going to lead to more of these incidents. Maybe not as bad as this but once people have been taking those things for a while and stop they just go haywire. Not everyone but many people on these absolutely should not be taking them but it is a cheap way of dealing with mental issues in a system looking to do everything cheaper regardless of the consequences. Truthfully they are readily available over the internet too.

Saw on the news tonight there are 12 states that have pending legislation which would allow students to carry concealed weapons on college campuses.

Crazy, man. Crazy.

That is crazy

yeah, if only 1 person had the ability to defend themselvs and others...

gun free zones are the best places to go if you want to inflict maximum damage. these things don't happen at gun shows.

this one hits close to home.

A pastor of a local church lost a grand daughter in the shooting rampage.

My sister used to live in Kazmierczak's apartment complex in Champaign, Il.
Now the news has people saying, "he was such a nice boy..."

A senseless tragedy.

That is nuts, you get a drunk hot head start throwing rounds off.

I just saw on CBS local news that the kid went to Elk Grove High School which was my rival in high school. The guy bought equipment from the SAME guy that sold to crazy VT guy. Same gun shop.

I have a sister that is a freshman at Illinois State, and this whole thing has hit her hard. She had a friend from high school that was IN the classroom when all this went down. It just has so many emotions attached to it

You know what is nuts, and I am guessing this is probably a little too nutty, but it is very possible that I have partied with this guy once or twice. My friend was banging this chick from Elk Grove that graduated in 1998, we graduated in 1997, and she used to have these massive parties in her backyard as her parents just left the area for the weekend, and their house was in a culdasac(?) where there was plenty of space/parking. Everything you would want in a party house. I would say 75% of the Elk Grove graduating class was there at some times.

Dont stop taking your meds and leave the pistol in the car in case you accidently wander off into a shady neighborhood...

LOL, I am not on meds...yet...

I'm so sorry. Glad that you are safe, and my condolences go out....