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Some Saturday Beyer Figures
Here are some of Saturday's Beyers. Illman will have Sunday's on his FormBlog today or tomorrow:
Well Armed 105 Daytona 104 Spotsgone 103 Euroears 102 Grasshopper 102 Indian Blessing 99 Graeme Six 97 Golden Doc A 93 Double Trouble 92 Bsharpsonata 90 Pyro 90 NT |
Time will tell how accurate that 90 is for Pyro.
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Meaning what? These aren't subjective assignments... Indian Blessing ran that much fast than Pyro a half hour earlier (1/5 second x @2 pts. x 5 = 10 pts.). The figs couldn't appear more 'accurate' based on the comparison of the two races, those finishing behind the two winners, the overall card, etc.. There was far too much information produced in Saturday's Fair Grounds races to suggest that the fig for Pyro is inaccurate.. Pyro doesn't exist in a vacuum and figure making while sometimes an art, remains mostly a science. |
yes the figure was slow. some peolpe will dog him for that. to me,the positives were:
1. he showed a willingness to win. 2. he showed a great turn of foot. 3. he overcame a trip that was far from ideal. what's is his next race? |
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The 90 to me is low for this horse. I'm not saying it's an inaccurate calculation by any means, but that it doesn't truly represent how good this horse is. The numbers he ran last year show that he is capable of faster and until proven otherwise, I believe he can cycle back to those numbers, which put him right with the others at the top. |
I'd say the performance and figure for Grasshopper made it clear that he is not just a Saratoga horse for course and in the hands of a careful and prudent horseman like Neil Howard he has the potential to put together a nice little season. He is a winner at Churchill and Saratoga, handled the heat in the summer nicely, and seems to have a great deal of upside being so lightly raced. While I'm not one to forecast accomplishments like Eclipse Awards and such, I'd say he can definitely pick up a Grade I this year.
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Outside of Curlin, who does Grasshopper have to beat? If they can zig-and-zag all year, with the abundance of G1's out there, Grasshopper could have a great year.
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Because of the way the Risen Star was run any final time speed figure had to be relatively meaningless. There's just nothing you can do.
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Yeah great name.. I should name my next Caradine |
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"but that it doesn't truly represent how good this horse is. "
Isnt a BSF or any figure a fig which represents the speed of the race.. A 7 claimer can run a 90 fig does that mean a 7 claimer is as classy as Pyro? If pyro ran 100 or 90 fig what the F does mean with respect to his potential or quality? |
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A beyer speed figure is an adjusted final time. It does not tell you anything else about the race shape, or the quality of the specific animal, or the quality of the race. Invasor in his prime could have run in The Risen Star, and he probably gets "only" a 92 or 94 beyer for holding off a Pyro charge. Either that or the "art" takes a greater role and Invasor,pyro,etc.. awarded a higher beyer in line with projections and justified by a greater variant, and then Grasshopper and Indian Blessing get even higher figures... Even a superior horse will score beyers that are subject to the race shape, if their style is to be rated to win the race, and not pushed to beat the clock. |
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I've held his Sea O'Erin against him as I foolishly needed the 2nd place finisher to get up for the tri and super and this guy just kept on going. The other amazing thing about him is that he seems to pay well every time. NT |
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What a neat horse Euroears has become.
I'm going off memory, but wasn't this the first race that Grasshopper rated off the pace? It looks like Borel has commited to Turf War, Grasshoppers full bro, for his Derby mount. |
Loved Spotsgone on Saturday and then managed to not cash a dollar on him. He's a neat horse who's turned into a decent animal.
He's no world beater, but he tends to always show up and has now managed to steal two Grade III races and a turf race in the past year. He's the type of horse who's easy to love because it seems that no matter how fast he goes, he has shown the ability to get very brave on the front end. On top of that, Saturday marked the fifth time in the last year that he got the better of Gouldings Green in their five meetings, and if memory serves me right -- at a much better price than Gouldings Green in each of those five races. In other news from Oaklawn, Sweet Redeemer looked solid winning the closer. Second out, got bet down to 5-2 favoritism, raced well behind the early pace and simply cruised once let loose around the turn. Not likely to be a champ, but definitely an interested horse to keep an eye on given the close over a track that wasn't playing overly kindly to that type of runner on Saturday. |
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Thread re-opened and back on topic. Disintegration into the previous craziness, and those creating such, will be given short shrift...
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Actually, while it's hard to be overly optimistic, I'm not quite ready to condemn the entire older division this early. I'm not exactly sure what's out there, though I have a feeling first time dirter Frost Giant will get a huge number for Monday's 6th at Gulfstream, but it's still too early to know for sure.
That's not a bad point actually about Nobiz and I wonder if one thing that Tagg is thinking about is how does Showing Up come back. If he's miraculously back to his former self, I wonder if that would affect Nobiz's schedule. I also suppose Curlin could have something to do with that. However, considering Nobiz's affinity for both surfaces I also wonder if he would consider polytrack Grade 1s in California....especially with the BC Classic obviously being out there. I doubt he will want to move him back and forth between grass and dirt but I wouldn't be shocked if he was contemplating a return to dirt. Sounds like we should ask someone to ask Tagg. Knowing his affinity for the press I'm sure he would be delighted to be forthcoming. |
Pyro's effort was somewhere in between the 2 extremes mentioned(visually great,and beyer figure/time mediocre.)He won a grade 3 very easily.My guess is he will do well.I think one or 2 will probably do a little better.I think a couple others will like the Derby distance a little more.
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Agreed on Nobiz and Showing Up. With three surfaces being available there is really no reason to ever run them for less than $500,000 this year. |
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Yeah that purse money is real motiavation for the Jackson's and Valando.. |
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