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Monarchos1 02-05-2008 08:18 PM

PedigreeQuery.com Providing Incorrect Info
 
I heard a caller on ATR today say he uses PedigreeQueery.com. There was an article in the Kentucky newspaper about Pyro joining the list of dual qualifiers because his sire AP Indy has been reclassified as a chef-de-race. His dosage is now 3.73, but PedigreeQuery still lists it as 4.14. This means that dosage profiles for all other runners with AP Indy in their pedigrees are incorrect. Regardless of whether or not anyone believes in the dosage theory, it's surprising to me that the folks behind this site wouldn't update their information to provide it correctly to their customers. Makes me wonder what other false info they are providing?

Scav 02-05-2008 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Monarchos1
I heard a caller on ATR today say he uses PedigreeQueery.com. There was an article in the Kentucky newspaper about Pyro joining the list of dual qualifiers because his sire AP Indy has been reclassified as a chef-de-race. His dosage is now 3.73, but PedigreeQuery still lists it as 4.14. This means that dosage profiles for all other runners with AP Indy in their pedigrees are incorrect. Regardless of whether or not anyone believes in the dosage theory, it's surprising to me that the folks behind this site wouldn't update their information to provide it correctly to their customers. Makes me wonder what other false info they are providing?

Customers, I get it for free.....

pmayjr 02-05-2008 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav
Customers, I get it for free.....

Well then maybe the argument is "you get what you pay for"...

SniperSB23 02-05-2008 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Monarchos1
I heard a caller on ATR today say he uses PedigreeQueery.com. There was an article in the Kentucky newspaper about Pyro joining the list of dual qualifiers because his sire AP Indy has been reclassified as a chef-de-race. His dosage is now 3.73, but PedigreeQuery still lists it as 4.14. This means that dosage profiles for all other runners with AP Indy in their pedigrees are incorrect. Regardless of whether or not anyone believes in the dosage theory, it's surprising to me that the folks behind this site wouldn't update their information to provide it correctly to their customers. Makes me wonder what other false info they are providing?

He might want to start by going to the right site. Either way it has never claimed to be any more accurate than the information put in by its' "customers".

hockey2315 02-05-2008 08:52 PM

http://www.pedigreequery.com/mojave+bay2

Rudeboyelvis 02-05-2008 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Monarchos1
I heard a caller on ATR today say he uses PedigreeQueery.com. There was an article in the Kentucky newspaper about Pyro joining the list of dual qualifiers because his sire AP Indy has been reclassified as a chef-de-race. His dosage is now 3.73, but PedigreeQuery still lists it as 4.14. This means that dosage profiles for all other runners with AP Indy in their pedigrees are incorrect. Regardless of whether or not anyone believes in the dosage theory, it's surprising to me that the folks behind this site wouldn't update their information to provide it correctly to their customers. Makes me wonder what other false info they are providing?

the "free" portion of it is an interactive free site - sorta like Wikipedia - they rely on folks close to the horse to update it

EDIT: what Sniper said

miraja2 02-05-2008 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Monarchos1
I heard a caller on ATR today say he uses PedigreeQueery.com. There was an article in the Kentucky newspaper about Pyro joining the list of dual qualifiers because his sire AP Indy has been reclassified as a chef-de-race. His dosage is now 3.73, but PedigreeQuery still lists it as 4.14. This means that dosage profiles for all other runners with AP Indy in their pedigrees are incorrect. Regardless of whether or not anyone believes in the dosage theory, it's surprising to me that the folks behind this site wouldn't update their information to provide it correctly to their customers. Makes me wonder what other false info they are providing?

Anybody can go on that site and change any info they want. There is always a lot of incorrect info on there, because people just don't update things, add incorrect info etc.

Danzig 02-05-2008 09:09 PM

i remember whem someone took to heart the talk that war emblem was gay, and changed his page to reflect it.
i don't remember if they put transsexual, transgender...whatever it was, it was HILARIOUS.

Monarchos1 02-05-2008 09:10 PM

That site also offers pay per view for various data. The reclassification of a horse to chef-de-race would have to be done internally by the site managers. That is not a function that a customer, paying or otherwise, can do.

SniperSB23 02-05-2008 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Monarchos1
That site also offers pay per view for various data. The reclassification of a horse to chef-de-race would have to be done internally by the site managers. That is not a function that a customer, paying or otherwise, can do.

Well, when you find a free site that offers as much as they do then please let me know.

miraja2 02-05-2008 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig
i remember whem someone took to heart the talk that war emblem was gay, and changed his page to reflect it.
i don't remember if they put transsexual, transgender...whatever it was, it was HILARIOUS.

But we all know who the most famous sire in pedigree.com's history is don't we?

SniperSB23 02-05-2008 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by miraja2
But we all know who the most famous sire in pedigree.com's history is don't we?

Mikeyonesuit?

Danzig 02-05-2008 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by miraja2
But we all know who the most famous sire in pedigree.com's history is don't we?

lmao

i had forgotten that....til now! oh jeez.

Coach Pants 02-05-2008 09:17 PM

So it's like wikipedia?


*cackles*

Danzig 02-05-2008 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Pillow Pants
So it's like wikipedia?


*cackles*


lol


um, yeah...i was thinking the same thing.

Monarchos1 02-05-2008 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23
Well, when you find a free site that offers as much as they do then please let me know.

Chef-de-race.com

SniperSB23 02-05-2008 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Monarchos1
Chef-de-race.com

:D

http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19800

miraja2 02-05-2008 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Monarchos1
Chef-de-race.com

Yeah, where else can you learn that horses by AP Indy like to run far?
I was stunned by that development.

sumitas 02-05-2008 11:39 PM

I find pedigreequery to be an informative, fun, interactive site. I pay the $10 per month fee because it's worth it to me. Sometimes it takes that site some time to update the constant changes in dosage, new reines, etc.

Monarchos1 02-06-2008 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by sumitas
I find pedigreequery to be an informative, fun, interactive site. I pay the $10 per month fee because it's worth it to me. Sometimes it takes that site some time to update the constant changes in dosage, new reines, etc.

Dosage changes are relatively rare and the site managers don't have to update all of the offspring once a horse is re-classified as a chef-de-race. They only need to adjust the sire and the offspring dosages will self-calculate. I'm most disappointed in the lack of customer service from PedigreeQuery, as I have called and E-mailed on this matter and no one will respond. If they are willing to accept my money, they ought to be willing to respond to inquiries as to why their data is incorrect.

slotdirt 02-06-2008 08:08 AM

I haven't heard this much dosage talk since ol' blocky was around.

Merlinsky 02-06-2008 04:56 PM

{ETA: It's been changed.}

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Originally Posted by Monarchos1
Dosage changes are relatively rare and the site managers don't have to update all of the offspring once a horse is re-classified as a chef-de-race. They only need to adjust the sire and the offspring dosages will self-calculate. I'm most disappointed in the lack of customer service from PedigreeQuery, as I have called and E-mailed on this matter and no one will respond. If they are willing to accept my money, they ought to be willing to respond to inquiries as to why their data is incorrect.

It's apparently on Miles to do it. Roguelet doesn't have the authority. I'm beginning to think Miles is like the Wizard in the Wizard of Oz.

Not to act like it's all cool to take someone's money w/o being a little more attentive but every year somebody rants about how little dosage means nowadays in their opinion and that it's lousy to pick your Derby horse based on it but they just have to have the correct number this second? Ugh. AP Indy just switched over for pete's sake. The world won't end if folks have to wait a couple days and I doubt a sale has been aborted with one person chasing the other down the driveway going 'no I promise! AP Indy is a Chef-de-race now! Miles will fix it eventually!' Really? Are we gonna get upset with stud farms for listing a stallion as 16.1 when you know DARN well they're no more than 15.3? I mean some of them just flat out puff it up. I say give Miles a few more days for something that isn't gonna change lives if it's not done right away.

Monarchos1 02-06-2008 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Merlinsky
{ETA: It's been changed.}



It's apparently on Miles to do it. Roguelet doesn't have the authority. I'm beginning to think Miles is like the Wizard in the Wizard of Oz.

Not to act like it's all cool to take someone's money w/o being a little more attentive but every year somebody rants about how little dosage means nowadays in their opinion and that it's lousy to pick your Derby horse based on it but they just have to have the correct number this second? Ugh. AP Indy just switched over for pete's sake. The world won't end if folks have to wait a couple days and I doubt a sale has been aborted with one person chasing the other down the driveway going 'no I promise! AP Indy is a Chef-de-race now! Miles will fix it eventually!' Really? Are we gonna get upset with stud farms for listing a stallion as 16.1 when you know DARN well they're no more than 15.3? I mean some of them just flat out puff it up. I say give Miles a few more days for something that isn't gonna change lives if it's not done right away.

A.P. Indy was reclassified on January 8th, so ample time has passed for this site to make the necessary change. It makes no difference what the information is, it should be correct if the company is charging for it.

Merlinsky 02-07-2008 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Monarchos1
A.P. Indy was reclassified on January 8th, so ample time has passed for this site to make the necessary change. It makes no difference what the information is, it should be correct if the company is charging for it.

It's available to me and I don't pay for the site. Sorry but they're not charging for that and you're not paying for that service if that's the case. Dosage numbers are part of the free package. It's not good business because it makes you question 'what else might be wrong' but it's hardly ripping you off. It's a free/subscriber mix and that's not part of your paid-for package.

Monarchos1 02-07-2008 01:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Merlinsky
It's available to me and I don't pay for the site. Sorry but they're not charging for that and you're not paying for that service if that's the case. Dosage numbers are part of the free package. It's not good business because it makes you question 'what else might be wrong' but it's hardly ripping you off. It's a free/subscriber mix and that's not part of your paid-for package.


The pedigree/dosage information is also part of a subscription package so, yes, they are charging for that.

Merlinsky 02-07-2008 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Monarchos1
The pedigree/dosage information is also part of a subscription package so, yes, they are charging for that.

No...it's...not. Just because they don't take it away when you sign up for that doesn't mean you're now paying for it. Wouldn't you feel like a chump paying for something when other people aren't? Restroom usage in a McDonald's is free but are you suddenly paying for it if you buy a Big Mac Meal? No you're paying for them to fix you food and the food you receive is what you get in return for your money. The restroom is still free. The one paying for the service of providing/cleaning the bathroom is the McDonald's company. Pedigreequery.com is the one picking up the cost of the basic stats service and it's part of what draws people in to pay for other things but you are not paying for dosage numbers.

Monarchos1 02-07-2008 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Merlinsky
No...it's...not. Just because they don't take it away when you sign up for that doesn't mean you're now paying for it. Wouldn't you feel like a chump paying for something when other people aren't? Restroom usage in a McDonald's is free but are you suddenly paying for it if you buy a Big Mac Meal? No you're paying for them to fix you food and the food you receive is what you get in return for your money. The restroom is still free. The one paying for the service of providing/cleaning the bathroom is the McDonald's company. Pedigreequery.com is the one picking up the cost of the basic stats service and it's part of what draws people in to pay for other things but you are not paying for dosage numbers.

The dosage is included in the pedigree information provided with a subscription. It makes no difference if it is also free elsewhere when the information provided with the paid subscription is incorrect.

miraja2 02-07-2008 07:08 PM

I don't know what else to add to this thrilling discussion other than to say that Merlinsky is 100% correct.


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