Doc Cheney
 

This horse has been the source of some pretty outrageous claims recently on this board. Well, he's running in tomorrow's first race at Aqueduct. Now, he is probably in too tough, and is being ridden by the worst rider at Aqueduct ( if not the entire country ) in Felix Ortiz, but even if only for educational purposes, I recommend that you carefully watch the replay of his last race. I think it will refute the silly notion that he didn't run well. My guess? With even a professional jockey he would have won and it is hard to deny that he was at least close to the best horse in that race.

Maybe he'll get another boneheaded ride tomorrow and then get a rider switch, Rudy Rodriguez would be a huge move up, and find a good spot for the following race.

Doc Cheney, Birdbirdistheword turfing at Calder and SweetNorthernSaint sprinting at Turfway. They're all intersting races.

I thought Birdbird was a little interesting. Speaking of bad rides.....take a look at the replay of his last race.

Does this mean that you expect him to outrun his m/l odds tomorrow?
I certainly do.

I don't know what his morning line is but I expect to lose a few bucks on him.

It's a tricky race.

Yeah, it's the typical JOhnny Vee turf ride. Was he on?

Albarado....but you're right, it looked like Johnny.

I thought Albarado blew the first 1/8, then the horse was doomed. I thought he was as wide on the first turn as the second.

Interesting race. Locals are hopeless, save Stom In May. There is no known method of quantifying Juan Leyva off.

Further trouble.....I also agree with all this.

The AXTHELM has come up real interesting:

--Pleasant Strike off a very nice second to (a properly ridden) War Monger BC
week. Johnny V actually stayed INSIDE the other day on Dancing Forever and got himself a nice win. He might be growing
them back.

--Birdbirdistheword off the ridiculous trip in a nice race last May at CD --- can't see a wide sweeping move working on this
course, however

-- and, Sleeping Indian, of all horses, coming off of (reportedly) two perfect trips in a row, trying 2 turns for the 1st time.

Be interesting to see if the last one is competitive here; though the morning line for him is RIDICULOUS

Two of those can actually win tomorrow.

I'm assuming that SI is the odd horse out. Anyone else in the field I can put him against and get a thumbs up from you?

I'm just going to be stubborn and marry myself to hating him. But, the field is far from special, so I suppose he's not completely impossible. Maybe all the other speeds will lose their riders at the break and he will go 25 and 50.

I'm trying to get all the trips from Mel's Hope. What a nightmare; there are so many trouble lines in the race.

I'm just joking around with you.

While I think this horse is talented and doesn't necessarily need the lead, he'll be compromised by the outside post and have to go, and just won't be enough of a price against more experienced horses. I can't see this race collapsing as badly as the Mel's Hope, however. Better jocks are in town and maybe we'll get some better and more patient rides, finally.

I think the Frances Genter will be a better betting race.

I guess that means you're not thrilled with Rutherian.

I'm liking Buffalo Man at 10-1 in the PAx. Moves to the surface he's bred for, draws the world's best rider, and figures to get a nice stalking trip.

So apparently nobody is interested in watching the replay of Doc Cheney's last race. Too bad.

That runt sneaking up the rail in SAR, while I got the two widest trips in the race, was one of my worst beats of the year. I loathe her.

I've been waiting for Sweet Ransom, of all horses, since her last race at KEE. While I've never thought much of her, I just really like her last race and think she'll be a decent price; and I get Snow Cone in the package. Still need to do alot more work on the race, however.

I looked at the replay. OUtside of finishing poorly, what did you find wrong with the ride?

I saw the race, because it was that big carryover so it was the last time I paid any attention to Aqu- this is the kind of horse that you bet back on the inner. Ran credibly despite being shuffled back and hung wide both turns on a definitively rail biased racetrack. While it's technically a move up in class the horse that won that race would likely be favored against this field. He's certainly better than his 12-1 odds and with the post he definitely can make the lead and the rail- the horse inside him should offer little resistance for that. I like the play.

Don Cheney was nice and wide on both turns last time, also seemed to be pushed up on the backside rather quickly, given the hot pace it probably took a lot out of him.

looking back at his previous performances, he has a pretty strong finish but needs to run longer before being asked.

You're kidding me....right? That was a totally pathetic ride ( I think ArlJim pointed it out fairly well ). He was wide on both turns, after being shuffled back at the start, and was absurdly rushed on the backstretch. It's amazing the horse finished as well as he did considering.

However, I don't agree with Phil that it was a biased track that day. I thought it was fairly even.

Alright. I went back and took a closer look.

I can't get too excited about this horse going 3 wide on the turns, however

I noticed a few things as, this time, I looked at the headon

1) the 5 hits him out of the gate and costs him position

2) he's the only horse making up ground from the start to the 2nd qtr

but this horse is never asked to run until the 2nd turn; he's being loose reigned on the 1st turn, running on his own. he's compromised by the trouble at the start but he's never 'absurdly rushed'.

clearly, however, he ran more than the others, making, essentially, 2 moves in the race, and, I suppose, an argument could be made that he threatens the winner with a better trip.

Fair enough. We disagree slightly....which is good.

I guess the trainer agrees more with you as he's riding the incompetent back. Did you, by any chance, catch Ortiz's performance in the 7th race today?

Ahhh, Precious Too.

While I look at that race, you might want to take a quick look at Tyler Baze's ride on America's Friend in today's 2nd at SA. I don't think it's possible to get into any more trouble with a horse.

Edited.

I can't fault Ortiz for this one. I don't think there's any jock that's been able to get Precious Too to run straight or relaxed for an entire race (maybe Kent, her 2nd time out, I believe, on the turf at SAR). She's always tempting but always finds a way to screw it up.

You're not wrong about Precious Too, but considering his very long record of incompetence I can't hold him blameless either.

As for Santa Anita.....first of all, those stupid Jumbotrons make it impossible to watch races. They are an absolute nightmare. No wonder I don't bother with those races ( aside from the indecipherable surface ). Secondly, the head on jumped from late on the backstretch to the stretch. What's up with that?

The trouble was Baze's fault but frankly a little too obvious for me. He finished where he figured to. The trouble might have been mitigated by a semi-suck up trip.

The problem out in CALI is that they don't show the bacstretch in the headons of their races (except DMR, I believe). Which is an INCREDIBLE JOKE. I can't believe they're following the Meadowlands (or the other way around) in doing this. At this point in time, I believe that KEE is mountains above all the others when it comes to their video, and CRC and CD are right behind. Of course, we can't get the headons of those races.

Morever, either they have the shortest stretches in the planet out in CALI or the headons of the stretch runs are sped up, cause they just don't jibe with the pan shot of the race.

As for America's Friend, I don't need next time as I bet her today. And, with all due respect, if Baze doesn't needlessly get shuffled back going into the turn, then take forever to get outside, I think he wins the race. This is harder to see in the headon, unfortunately, than it is on the pan shot.

To be honest, I had trouble following the race at all due to the ridiculous Jumbotron. So much for continuity.

thats alot of sticking up for nick .. just cuz someone says crap on internet board does not mean w need a huge thread about an average horse....he was a contenda now a pretenda.. felix ortiz is a little hint......

oh no...

I'm not sure he was ever a contender.

for a wile........you know nick personally.. so to entertain he would f around and run a sore horse cuz some crack pot from tha thorn heard it from a call gilrs ex old care salesman said so is laughable.... you dont get 30 mill worth of stock per year to train cuz people think your not the right guy...........

I hear ya.

I was only posting about him today because I thought it was a good replay to watch. It's a little slow these days in case you haven't noticed.

explain karakrum roulette / tome bush i get / aleexander.....tri

Bad horses win bad races and the track was pretty biased towards speed and the inside. The big favorite was running Beyers in the 40s.

Bush was a firster.

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To be honest, this is one of the things I like about winter racing in NY. A little imagination can sometimes give you great rewards. Plus, a bias like the one we've had this week provides copious amounts of trips that will pay off when the track gets even.

it was pg 1985!!!!!!

I agree, I do better on the inner than anywhere else, simply because half the equation is knowing how the track was playing in the previous performances and finding horses that fit the bias.

You weren't kidding about the bias today, just watched the replay show. Nearly every race was "dueled inside, shook clear"