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letswastemoney 12-15-2007 01:13 AM

Peppers Pride races on Sunday
 
I think she has a chance to lose at 127 lbs...


9th (3:35)

New Mexico State Racing Commission H.

6 Furlongs | Fillies and Mares | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $125,000

Prg. # PP Horse Jockey Trainer Wt. Claim $ Equip. Med. ML
1 1 Complete Pride Martinez S Marr Joel H 113 L 10-1
2 2 Let the Musicbegin Murphy B G Greenwood Claire B 116 L 8-1
3 3 Hang Glide Villa M A Hone Bart 118 L 6-1
4 4 Hollywood Gone Juarez A J Jr Danley Fred I 117 L 6-1
5 5 Peppers Pride Madeira C D Marr Joel H 127 L 1-2
6 6 Magic Muse Bui Q E Dennison Dan H 113 L 10-1

$1Pick 3 (Races 9-10-11) /$1 Exacta / Trifecta /.10 Superfecta

Kasept 12-15-2007 05:16 AM

Pepper's Pride owner Joe Allen on ATR with me yesterday... As down to earth a guy as you'll ever hear. Joel Marr, her trainer, was on after her last win.

HOUR 1 at :30 mark:
http://www.thoroughbredracingradione...,14/Itemid,35/

Giving away 9-14 pounds is significant weight. Personally, I hope she keeps the streak alive.

booner 12-15-2007 07:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Kasept
Pepper's Pride owner Joe Allen on ATR with me yesterday... As down to earth a guy as you'll ever hear. Joel Marr, her trainer, was on after her last win.

HOUR 1 at :30 mark:
http://www.thoroughbredracingradione...,14/Itemid,35/

Giving away 9-14 pounds is significant weight. Personally, I hope she keeps the streak alive.

Same here. I'll be rooting for her on Sunday!!

TheSpyder 12-15-2007 07:40 AM

Caught the segment and it was great. Shows the best side of the sport when you have people like that. He was no honored to be on your show. Humble man.

Good job Steve.

Spyder

herkhorse 12-15-2007 07:56 AM

Hard to root against a horse like that or her connections.

Oaklawnfan 12-15-2007 08:01 AM

Great segment of the show. Mr. Allen showed real class during the interview. Hope that 127 pounds doesn't slow her down too much. These are kinds of stories that really help.

sumitas 12-15-2007 01:26 PM

I'd scratch with a weight assignment like that.

sumitas 12-15-2007 04:44 PM

Very interesting interview with Joe Allen. Insofar as his regally bred sire Desert God (Fappiano/ Blush With Pride- Blushing Groom) is concerned, looking at his conformation pic one can see he is downhill. He appears off balance physically which may explain his unraced status.

However, with the right physical type of mare the sky is the limit with a sire carrying the royal genes of Desert God.

cmorioles 12-16-2007 04:56 AM

I'm rooting for the 4, because that is the horse I'll bet. Otherwise, I hope the fave wins.

cmorioles 12-16-2007 04:45 PM

Another win for the undefeated filly. I had to settle for the consolation $10 exacta.

herkhorse 12-16-2007 04:45 PM

Way to go PP!:D

Dunbar 12-16-2007 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by cmorioles
Another win for the undefeated filly. I had to settle for the consolation $10 exacta.

You didn't hit the $2.08 10c superfecta?! ;>)

--Dunbar

cmorioles 12-16-2007 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Dunbar
You didn't hit the $2.08 10c superfecta?! ;>)

--Dunbar

I didn't want to brag too much.

ALostTexan 12-16-2007 06:13 PM

Hell yeah. Glad PP won again.

Danzig 12-16-2007 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Dunbar
You didn't hit the $2.08 10c superfecta?! ;>)

--Dunbar

wow! who's buying drinks?!

miraja2 12-16-2007 06:51 PM

I was more impressed with the 2yo Monarchos colt that won the 7th.
He was 3-wide just like PP, but he was still a half second faster than her at the finish. Now, granted he was carrying less weight, but for a 2yo running at that track, I thought it was a strong performance.

PPerfectfan 12-16-2007 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by sumitas
I'd scratch with a weight assignment like that.

Frankel, Is that you????? :D

Kasept 12-17-2007 09:59 AM

Bit of a reedy thing..


deltagulf 12-19-2007 08:06 PM

when is her next race anyone know.

SniperSB23 12-20-2007 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by deltagulf
when is her next race anyone know.

Hopefully in a real race but more likely they are waiting for Sunland to card a N14X Allowance for New Mexico breds for her to get another cheap win.

Coach Pants 12-20-2007 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by herkhorse
Way to go PP!:D

Huh?

Kasept 12-20-2007 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23
Hopefully in a real race but more likely they are waiting for Sunland to card a N14X Allowance for New Mexico breds for her to get another cheap win.

That's a totally cheap shot. Joe Allen was going to retire her after LAST year, but gave Joel Marr a chance to keep winning with her. He was ready to retire and breed her next year as well but will keep racing her with the streak intact. She's a New Mexico bred and Allen and Marr would be silly running her anywhere else right now. She's beating "similar" and is simply better than anything she's ever faced. Winning 14 races in a row against any company is an accomplishment of no small note.

Her next start is March 23, a defense of her '07 win in the $100,000 Sydney Valenti, a 1 mile handicap for 3+ F&M's at Sunland. And her win the other day was typical of her... She does whatever she is asked to do to finish in front. There's nothing cheap about her beating horses giving away 8-15 pounds.

SniperSB23 12-20-2007 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Kasept
That's a totally cheap shot. Joe Allen was going to retire her after LAST year, but gave Joel Marr a chance to keep winning with her. He was ready to retire and breed her next year as well but will keep racing her with the streak intact. She's a New Mexico bred and Allen and Marr would be silly running her anywhere else right now. She's beating "similar" and is simply better than anything she's ever faced. Winning 14 races in a row against any company is an accomplishment of no small note.

Her next start is March 23, a defense of her '07 win in the $100,000 Sydney Valenti, a 1 mile handicap for 3+ F&M's at Sunland. And her win the other day was typical of her... She does whatever she is asked to do to finish in front. There's nothing cheap about her beating horses giving away 8-15 pounds.

What she's done is admirable but there is no way this streak should be treated as a monumental accomplishment until she takes on open company in graded stakes. She may be good enough to do so but until then this streak is overrated in my opinion. Seeing Lebron James dominate a bunch of middle school girls wouldn't do much for me either, even with 15 pounds strapped to his back.

Cannon Shell 12-20-2007 09:11 AM

Joe Allen makes a tremendous brisket

Kasept 12-20-2007 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23
What she's done is admirable but there is no way this streak should be treated as a monumental accomplishment until she takes on open company in graded stakes. She may be good enough to do so but until then this streak is overrated in my opinion. Seeing Lebron James dominate a bunch of middle school girls wouldn't do much for me either, even with 15 pounds strapped to his back.

So I guess we should back Citation's 3 minor allowance wins during his streak out? And Mister Friskey's and Hallowed Dreams' wins were meaningless too because they came in Puerto Rico and LA?

The Lebron James analogy is a bad one. It's not as if Pepper's Pride were some kind of Kentucky bred that was dropped in New Mexico (ala Funny Cide being a NY bred) and was beating up on a bunch of inferior Lobos. She's a New Mexico bred facing similar. And dominating.

If this was a NY-bred or a Cal-bred winning 14 in a row, you wouldn't be taking this stance.

SniperSB23 12-20-2007 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Kasept
So I guess we should back Citation's 3 minor allowance wins during his streak out? And Mister Friskey's and Hallowed Dreams' wins were meaningless too because they came in Puerto Rico and LA?

The Lebron James analogy is a bad one. It's not as if Pepper's Pride were some kind of Kentucky bred that was dropped in New Mexico (ala Funny Cide being a NY bred) and was beating up on a bunch of inferior Lobos. She's a New Mexico bred facing similar. And dominating.

If this was a NY-bred or a Cal-bred winning 14 in a row, you wouldn't be taking this stance.

It would only be slightly better if it was a NY bred or Cal bred but I'd still feel the same way if the horse never raced in open company and was suddenly being mentioned in the same company as Citation and Cigar. Give her a chance to show what she's made of in open company. We all know she's head and shoulders above the NM breds, let's see how good she really is. That's all I'm asking.

miraja2 12-20-2007 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23
It would only be slightly better if it was a NY bred or Cal bred but I'd still feel the same way if the horse never raced in open company and was suddenly being mentioned in the same company as Citation and Cigar. Give her a chance to show what she's made of in open company. We all know she's head and shoulders above the NM breds, let's see how good she really is. That's all I'm asking.

I agree with you 100% on this one.
It is a nice streak, and as Steve pointed out, winning that many races in a row against anybody is something of an accomplishment. But in reality, there are dozens of fillies and mares across the country that probably would have accomplished the same thing if they faced that kind of terrible competition. I don't think asking to see her win in open company is too much to ask before we heap tons of praise on her.

SniperSB23 12-20-2007 10:18 AM

I guess it just reminds me of the fact that it took Street Sense's defection for Rags to Riches to run in the Belmont. Think how differently she'd be viewed historically had she won the Acorn instead. I like to see horses get the chance to show what they are made of. Too often we are deprived of that. This horse has shown it has talent and guts to win 14 in a row. Now let's give her the chance to show how good she really is by taking on open company.

miraja2 12-20-2007 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Kasept
So I guess we should back Citation's 3 minor allowance wins during his streak out?

Come on, you know that isn't what Sniper is suggesting at all.
Nobody is saying that races like that shouldn't count. But in addition to those wins, Citation won the biggest races in the sport. Pepper's Pride has no "in addition."
I'm not saying she needs to win a bunch of G1s to validate the streak, but it would be nice to see her actually compete against somebody that could actually run at some point in her career.

hoovesupsideyourhead 12-20-2007 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by miraja2
Come on, you know that isn't what Sniper is suggesting at all.
Nobody is saying that races like that shouldn't count. But in addition to those wins Citation won the biggest races in the sport. Pepper's Pride has no "in addition."
I'm not saying she needs to win a bunch of G1s to validate the streak, but it would be nice to see her actually compete against somebody that could actually run at some point in her career.

cigar .. arlington citation challange....lol..

SentToStud 12-20-2007 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead
cigar .. arlington citation challange....lol..

I was there. I think I bet Dramatic Gold.

hoovesupsideyourhead 12-20-2007 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by SentToStud
I was there. I think I bet Dramatic Gold.

me too.. free bee race for cigar..and if i recall almost lost

letswastemoney 12-20-2007 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by SentToStud
I was there. I think I bet Dramatic Gold.

Hey that race had Unbridled's Song too. It was no piece of cake :)


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