Indian Vale
 

Was I the only one who was totally shocked to see her made the ML favorite in the Distaff?

not shocked to see her as fav. It was going to be one of three IV, UB, GP.

I guess J Velazquez/ Pletcher combo has something to do with it in addition to her high BSF and record at distance ( 7-6-1-0 ).

that being said; I like Bear Now, HystercalLady ( despite the post ) Lear's Princess, And Lady Joanne

For starters, she's finished behind Unbridled Belle in EACH of her last three races.

And with Hystericalady in the race, there is no way Indian Vale gets an easy early lead....or any early lead at all.

I agree that it's a tough race to make an ML for....but Indian Vale has all the look of the 5th choice in the betting to me.

I was shocked. I assume Brad Thomas made the line and I'm sure he did a far better job than I could have but I think he blew this one badly.

It's a wide open race and an especially tough one to make a line.

It's a very competitive race, but i think Unbridled Belle would be the NAP of the breeders cup. I don't see how she isn't top of the M/L.

wide open race, imo. a complex race. would not want to be assigned the task of making the line. who knows how the public is going to see this one?
I would probably start with Unbridled Belle and Lears Princess as tepid fav's.

imo anything put on Hysterical Lady or Tough Tizs Sis is dead money.

Why?

what? because of the post?

she certainly is fast enough to win

If you name enough horses then you are bound to be right.

Anyone of Hystericalady's last three dirt races are good enough to mop up this pathetic field.

She's faster than the other speed, and the nine furlong distance will suit her perfectly. I also am quite puzzled how she can be considered dead money at 8/1. I suppose she becomes a FAR less attractive if her synthetic races are held against her - but, anyone who's watched her dirt races knows she's a speed horse who breaks open races with an explosive burst off the far turn, and on synthetic surfaces, those horses always underperform.

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This has got to be one of your more ridiculous posts, Euro. He named two horses, please...

exactly why the phuck are you here?

you have yet to add anything...take shots at the site host and other posters, and behave like the consumate troll.

Steve deleted you once....and was kind enough to let you back in....but keep it up and the hospitality will end.


oh, and it's 'you are' or 'you're' never 'your are' ...ass hole.

The "your are" is corrected. And why exactly are you here? What do you add? I guess you are here to correct people's posts. A very good contribution I might add.

Good Job Theb... he/she/it clearly just wants to antagonize

I freely admit I add little...and yet in spite of that, at least a few people still seem to like me....can you say the same?

Well lets see here. I talk horses and people give me crap, I post picks and people accuse me of posting fake bets or betting stupid. I do not think I have ever started in on someone first. But if people are going to give me crap, then I am going to give it right back. I am more than happy to talk racing and analysis and all that good stuff without any backlash. It is great to freely express one's opinion on a horse or race. But what is the point when your opinion gets called stupid, or someone criticizes your post. I believe this site was intended to gather people who love this sport to talk about it intellectually, maturely and without prejudice. However, I could be wrong. Tons of people on this board have great things to say or add, but they might feel a little hesitant because they see the backlash that people get when they post. I have a feeling that you could add tons and so could everyone else if people were a little more open and a little less ignorant.

you are not wrong in the intent of the site...but spare me the martyr act about your own posting.....you are far from innocent...perhaps it is because your agenda regarding some aspects of this sport and certain members of this site are all too transparent....or perhaps it is because you have a history here of argumentative posts...or perhaps people simply don't like you...I don't know.

but I will say this....the last time you were deleted I spoke up on your behalf...and given the nature of your attitude I regret my own action.

Among the numerous contributions that Beth makes to the site... one is to try to keep trolls in check ...now what is it again that you add???

I remember you speaking up and I do appreciate that effort. But please find me one post that I ever posted that starts in on someone from this board. I have zero agenda. I have been accussed of one, which always perplexed me. Over on the Esoteric page, DaHoss starts in on me and I completely left it alone. Last week BTW starts in on me for no reason at all. I am not being a martry, but if people are going to be nasty, rude or mean to me, then you better believe I am going to be the same back. I don't like or dislike anyone on this board. How on earth can anyone like or dislike someone they never met.

I could add tons, but choose not to. Why add something when you don't feel like your opinion matters.

Tons like what? Shaggy Mane will be on the lead ?

Fascinating......really.

You have been all over me for months. And now that I stand-up and give it back to you you have the nerve to complain. Give me a break. See, even in this post you take a stab at me. If you are going to start in on me, you better believe I am going to cross the line. And what purpose does it make to say someone is posting fake bets with no evidence or calling someone stupid etc etc.

This is a perfect example. In my post, I was agreeing with DaHoss that Shaggy Mane will be on the lead. Why doesn't he get this response from you?

I can of course, find posts to support my claim....only problem is that they have all been deleted. I can still see them....but they don't really need to be brought to the forefront of the site again.

and have you considered for one moment that dahoss and BTW attack you because of previous arguments? don't give me the "it's the internet" argument....because I know both of them and I can assure you that they don't take what goes on here personally, but at the same time, what goes on here is not exactly in a vacum....and when posters have certain fundamental disagreements there will always be friction.

and to your previous comment, that I could add to this site if I was less intimidated....there isn't a member here that intimidates me...I choose not to post most of the time because to me "It's the internet:rolleyes: " and I don't care what other people think, and don't have the interest to defend my opinion on most topics...I find it tiresome.

Because he doesnt lower himself to talking about other people's families. The guy tells you something about his mother being sick and you continue? If you dont like the guy it's one thing, but at that point you shoulda shut the phuck up instead of continuing. Real classy move a-hole.

you're not helping here stone....

DaHoss and BTW attacked me for no reason. BTW because of my opinion of Zito, not of BTW and DaHoss for whatever reason. Again, find where I started anything about them first. Anything. I never said anything negative about either of them until they said something deragotory about me. I don't take much of anything personally. it is important to any board to have fundamental differences without friction. And if there is friction, there is the instant message feature that the party can use to settle the friction so it doesnt involve other posters. And you said it yourself: "don't have the interest to defend my opinion on most topics." Why does anyone need to defend themself on here?

Ok...I will back off.....because it's obvious I intimidate you. Regardless of what you claim in your post above.

And at some point you have to take it a step further and that is what I did. I will agree that I lower myself, but it is also pretty low to continuously barage someone whenever he/she posts a thought or a selection.

Again, another perfect example. The sarcasm on this board has gotten well out of control.

I admit that I crossed the line. That is who I am. I will always take it a step further. And I never ever said you said anything about my family. You are more than welcome to, I really do not care. To me, everything is fair game in this sort of thing.

if you are going to state an opinion...especially if you decide to present it as a fact (which many people here do) then you MUST be ready and willing to defend your postition....no one can expect to just say something and have it unequivocally accepted.

I have yet (in over 5000 posts) to see BTW insult someone's mother (I doubt dahoss has done it either though I am not positive).....I have, however seen you do it 2x in 2 days....getting attacked yourself is not a valid excuse IMO, we all make decisions, some of yours have been poor.

Never said BTW or DaHoss mentioned my family, but I mentioned theirs and I am completely comfortable with what I said and where I took it. I am ready to defend my opinion when I base it on fact. But please present an arguement to why my opinion is wrong without any sarcasm, put-downs etc etc. Why not just present your argument and leave it at that.

human nature plain and simple....no matter how much one desires utopia we all know it is just an illusion....and usually the one's crying out for it the loudest are the one's who are doing the most to prevent its realization.

It's one thing to rip on someone about there opinions,picks, etc...pretty harmless.....but to take it "a step further" like you did is ridiculous.

I dont really agree with this. I am not asking for Utopia, just for people to give the proper respect to people who post here. And again, BTW and DaHoss started in on me and never apologized. To me, I have to put an end to this disdain they have for me. There is a great quote that I have all my employees memorize "If we don't believe in freedom of expression for people we despise, we don't believe in it at all." I am fine with people not liking me or whatever, but why not just ignore my posts. Why do they feel the need to egg me on.