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Kasept 10-12-2007 12:35 PM

07-02 looking at KEE claim..
 
Don't want to give too much info, but Chuck has his eye on a runner between now and Sunday at KEE...

Came very close to a CLM yesterday, but held off as there was concern over that one nursing a knee...

More via Email as things unfold...

31lengths 10-12-2007 03:11 PM

I just want to tell you both good luck. We're all counting on you. - Rumack

ddthetide 10-12-2007 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by 31lengths
I just want to tell you both good luck. We're all counting on you. - Rumack

no pressure or anything.:D good luck !

Hickory Hill Hoff 10-12-2007 03:30 PM

Will be watching the entries.....

Unstable 10-12-2007 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Kasept
Came very close to a CLM yesterday, but held off as there was concern over that one nursing a knee...

Can you say which horse you came close to claiming yesterday?

AeWingnut 10-12-2007 06:13 PM

I'll give you a clue

Firesign Theater

Bigsmc 10-12-2007 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by ddthetide
no pressure or anything.:D good luck !

That was a line from Airplane! dd.

Nice pull 31Lengths. I laughed.

Many Others 10-12-2007 07:49 PM

w'ere almost like kids waiting for Christmas except we're getting a pony instead of a Red Ryder BB Gun - good times ahead, good luck Chuck!

geeker2 10-12-2007 08:32 PM

Come on Chuck..how many good knees does he have to have? :rolleyes:

31lengths 10-12-2007 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Bigsmc
That was a line from Airplane! dd.

Nice pull 31Lengths. I laughed.

thanks. i wondered if anyone caught that.

Have a good time at the game tomorrow. Go Bulls !

SniperSB23 10-13-2007 06:08 PM

Hopefully it is Louderfasterharder just for the fun of owning a gelding by that name.

31lengths 10-14-2007 12:42 AM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23
Hopefully it is Louderfasterharder just for the fun of owning a gelding by that name.


Races 2 & 3, right?

Kasept 10-14-2007 11:52 AM

No Claim today.. Both scratched!
 
The 2 horses that Chuck was considering for claim today in the KEE 3rd have been scratched!

#6 General Purpose and #7 Diamond Studded were the pair Chuck had considered, and he made his way to Lexington this morning to eyeball them. Once there, he found out neither would be going in the $16,000 plating affair...

On to Wednesday's card, where the 5th and 9th races both have interesting potential $25k taggers...

Bigsmc 10-14-2007 12:37 PM

That's actually good news to me because I was looking at what was left in that race and wasn't excited about claiming any of the runners that will go to post.

Good luck Wednesday.

Danzig 10-14-2007 01:47 PM

no sales any time soon? or are we determined to go with a claimer?

Kasept 10-14-2007 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig
no sales any time soon? or are we determined to go with a claimer?

Pretty well looking to claim or make a private buy.. We want one that's running now.

Danzig 10-14-2007 01:53 PM

ok, thanks. good luck then chuck!!

Unstable 10-14-2007 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Kasept
The 2 horses that Chuck was considering for claim today in the KEE 3rd have been scratched!

#6 General Purpose and #7 Diamond Studded were the pair Chuck had considered, and he made his way to Lexington this morning to eyeball them. Once there, he found out neither would be going in the $16,000 plating affair...

On to Wednesday's card, where the 5th and 9th races both have interesting potential $25k taggers...

Hopefully, we get who we want in the 5th. I like the idea of claiming a filly, rather than a gelding or a low-class colt... for residual value.

SniperSB23 10-14-2007 10:34 PM

Any thoughts given to trying to find a Cali horse that hasn't taken to the synthetics and might benefit from a move back to the dirt? Or is that just too impractical for our operation without having Chuck out there and the post claim cross country ship? Just seems like there is an angle there that no one is really taking advantage of.

Cannon Shell 10-15-2007 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23
Any thoughts given to trying to find a Cali horse that hasn't taken to the synthetics and might benefit from a move back to the dirt? Or is that just too impractical for our operation without having Chuck out there and the post claim cross country ship? Just seems like there is an angle there that no one is really taking advantage of.

Not a bad idea but not practical on our budget

phystech 10-15-2007 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23
Any thoughts given to trying to find a Cali horse that hasn't taken to the synthetics and might benefit from a move back to the dirt?

I had to laugh when I read this because I am so guilty of always thinking the grass is greener when you claim somewhere other than where you are running.

I used to drive my trainer crazy trying to get her to go to other racetracks to claim something. We'd always end up claiming at home, and somehow made it work..... :)

SniperSB23 10-15-2007 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by phystech
I had to laugh when I read this because I am so guilty of always thinking the grass is greener when you claim somewhere other than where you are running.

I used to drive my trainer crazy trying to get her to go to other racetracks to claim something. We'd always end up claiming at home, and somehow made it work..... :)

Well this isn't as much the grass is greener as it is the dirt aint dirt. They have none of it to run on out west and there are surely horses out there that are best on that surface and are being dipped into claimers cause of their inability to run well on turf or synthetics.

Cannon Shell 10-15-2007 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23
Well this isn't as much the grass is greener as it is the dirt aint dirt. They have none of it to run on out west and there are surely horses out there that are best on that surface and are being dipped into claimers cause of their inability to run well on turf or synthetics.

The trick is being able to identify ones that just cant handle the non dirt tracks from the ones that are simply tailing off.

paisjpq 10-15-2007 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
The trick is being able to identify ones that just cant handle the non dirt tracks from the ones that are simply tailing off.


not to mention that there is plenty of fake dirt around here too (with TP, KEE ARL and PID) and probably more on the way.....

SniperSB23 10-15-2007 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
The trick is being able to identify ones that just cant handle the non dirt tracks from the ones that are simply tailing off.

Yeah, certainly wouldn't be an easy angle and you'd need some bankroll for it to work cause it is inevitable you'll wind up with a few that did just tail off.

phystech 10-15-2007 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23
Yeah, certainly wouldn't be an easy angle and you'd need some bankroll for it to work cause it is inevitable you'll wind up with a few that did just tail off.


All angles are tough to make work and, certainly, having a bankroll makes it easier to eat the ones that don't work. A bankroll is always a good thing. Walking a tightrope with a little money is a real pressure cooker and it tends to make you look for the "now" horse that you can run back and get a couple checks with - the old no-brainer.

But it sure is fun when you have some money behind you, to be able to look at the not-so-obvious horse that's with a low % trainer, who is riding low % jocks, the keeps getting troubled trips, and has some conditions to work with to get you out.

Claiming is a lot or work and a lot of fun and I admire those that can do it successfully.

Cannon Shell 10-15-2007 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by phystech
A bankroll is always a good thing.

Truer words were never spoken

AeWingnut 10-15-2007 03:45 PM

bloodlines help but what kinda of action does it take to run on fake dirt
and what kinda feet do you want?

I don't have a clue but I would think the paddle hoof would help keep a horse on top of that stuff

personally I love turf racing. Seems like turf horses have longer careers
maybe not

So... any high action paddle hooved girls with a big butt we can afford

Unstable 10-16-2007 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Not a bad idea but not practical on our budget

C'mon, Chuck, you could claim the next Lava Man. Although I suppose on our budget, he'd have to be the next Lava Boy....

Hickory Hill Hoff 10-17-2007 06:22 AM

If I had to guess...the ones he's looking at in the 5th are - Chippewa Court & Classic Emily
and in the 9th - Mithaal & Liquoreux. Cocesse Chief also looks interesting. Apt to Be is a "hard hitter" but 10 is too old!

Cannon Shell 10-17-2007 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Hickory Hill Hoff
If I had to guess...the ones he's looking at in the 5th are - Chippewa Court & Classic Emily
and in the 9th - Mithaal & Liquoreux. Cocesse Chief also looks interesting. Apt to Be is a "hard hitter" but 10 is too old!

Doubt we do anything today...Friday has many appealing horses...

pmacdaddy 10-17-2007 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Doubt we do anything today...Friday has many appealing horses...

Chuck,

Quick question...

Is claiming off Mcl win, returning for reduced tag something to generally avoid, or purely depends on situation?

Cannon Shell 10-17-2007 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by pmacdaddy
Chuck,

Quick question...

Is claiming off Mcl win, returning for reduced tag something to generally avoid, or purely depends on situation?

claiming or betting?

I guess it depends on the trainer. Most maiden claiming horses are not worth the tag put on them and realistically need to "drop" in price because the competition at the same price in open claimers i s much tougher. Conditional claimers are a different story all together. I assume you are referring to the 11 horse in todays 5th? (she is scratched)

Trainers that have a lot of horses and owners that will let them do it will drop a horse off a maiden claiming win in order to try to win another race with a weak horse. It may not be a sign of impending physical doom but an attempt to get as much as you can while the horse is in good form.

pmacdaddy 10-17-2007 11:19 AM

Thanks. Thinking about it from claiming standpoint, not necessarily betting. That #11 was the one that caught my eye as interesting.

Hickory Hill Hoff 10-17-2007 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Doubt we do anything today...Friday has many appealing horses...

Would that include the 2nd race; 25k maiden claimers going long?


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