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Seattleallstar 09-09-2007 10:56 PM

Umm Tiger Woods won, anyone notice?
 
not a single post?! He put on one hell of performance, onward to Atlanta

Cannon Shell 09-09-2007 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Seattleallstar
not a single post?! He put on one hell of performance, onward to Atlanta

Stunning news

timmgirvan 09-10-2007 12:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Seattleallstar
not a single post?! He put on one hell of performance, onward to Atlanta

I think the only way Tiger loses the FEDEx is if PM plays out of his mind and wins. Don't expect that to happen, as per Phils' history.

I'm not sure if Stricker has a viable chance as well.

Antitrust32 09-10-2007 09:41 AM

A more amazing achievement..

It was Tigers 60th victory in a pro event! 60!! and he is 31. Jack was 36 when he won his 60th. (and I am not putting down Jack, he and Tiger are unseperable as to being the greatest evah!) but that just shows how incredible Tigers # is. Tiger is 2 wins away from tying Arny's win mark.

King Glorious 09-10-2007 10:18 AM

It's incredible watching this guy. With most athletes and in most sports, when both participants put forth their best efforts, u aren't sure who will win but u know u will likely get a good game. With Tiger, the only way to beat him is if he has an off game and u play your best. Other than that, it's lights out. Knowing that if Tiger plays his game, u have no chance to win, in a sport like golf, is amazing. It's amazing, incredible........and boring all at the same time.

Ronnie 09-10-2007 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Seattleallstar
not a single post?! He put on one hell of performance, onward to Atlanta

Ummm, maybe because its opening weekend of the NFL and golf pretty much sucks compared to that?

somerfrost 09-10-2007 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious
It's incredible watching this guy. With most athletes and in most sports, when both participants put forth their best efforts, u aren't sure who will win but u know u will likely get a good game. With Tiger, the only way to beat him is if he has an off game and u play your best. Other than that, it's lights out. Knowing that if Tiger plays his game, u have no chance to win, in a sport like golf, is amazing. It's amazing, incredible........and boring all at the same time.


He is simply the man....we are honored to be around when the best player in history is playing...I love Jack too, but Tiger dominates like nobody in history and at a time when there are literally 100's of golfers capable of winning every event!

SCUDSBROTHER 09-10-2007 06:14 PM

He is the greatest ever.That being said(if he putts at all well,)it's like watching a pacer destroy a trotter.The end result of Sporting events need to be in question,or it's very minor entertainment.

GPK 09-11-2007 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32
A more amazing achievement..

It was Tigers 60th victory in a pro event! 60!! and he is 31. Jack was 36 when he won his 60th. (and I am not putting down Jack, he and Tiger are unseperable as to being the greatest evah!) but that just shows how incredible Tigers # is. Tiger is 2 wins away from tying Arny's win mark.


Lori...another scary stat.

Mr. Palmers 62 wins came in 734 career starts.

Tigers 60 wins have come in 229 starts.

Antitrust32 09-11-2007 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by GPK
Lori...another scary stat.

Mr. Palmers 62 wins came in 734 career starts.

Tigers 60 wins have come in 229 starts.


yes that is amazing, but you must realize that Palmer and Jack played many tournys after they werent that good (as in PGA winning good standards). So Palmer and Jacks numbers are a little diluted.

But it doesnt take away from an amazing run from Tiger... one that will never be matched IMO!

gales0678 09-11-2007 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER
He is the greatest ever.That being said(if he putts at all well,)it's like watching a pacer destroy a trotter.The end result of Sporting events need to be in question,or it's very minor entertainment.

Scuds it's over if he is hitting the driver straight - when he puts the ball in the fairway ( i think he was close to 80% for the weekend , he is not going to lose) the other guys are all playing for 2nd - this doesn't happen all the time , but , lately he seems to be keep it on the short stuff , this leads to more birdie and eagle putts which are more makeable and thus hi putting stats go down , when he has to play from the rough he can't get the ball as close and thus he doesn't make as many putts -

horseofcourse 09-12-2007 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious
It's incredible watching this guy. With most athletes and in most sports, when both participants put forth their best efforts, u aren't sure who will win but u know u will likely get a good game. With Tiger, the only way to beat him is if he has an off game and u play your best. Other than that, it's lights out. Knowing that if Tiger plays his game, u have no chance to win, in a sport like golf, is amazing. It's amazing, incredible........and boring all at the same time.

I don't think it's boring. It's simply the best at his best. Nothing wrong with watching that. Like Secretariat's Belmont...that wasn't boring either. Much like golf in horse racing you can't always be at your best all the time...witness Onion and Prove Out...and Tiger Woods still loses more tournaments he enters than he wins as dominant as he is. When witnessing them at their best, I would call it more fun, than boring.

King Glorious 09-12-2007 12:19 PM

Depends on what u like watching. I enjoy watching him to see what he's going to do. I don't enjoy watching golf for the competitiveness though. I think Scuds put it best by saying that when the end result is not in question, it's reduced to minor entertainment. It's sort of like watching a replay of a football game when u know who won already. Or watching the original Olympic Dream Team back in 1992 play against Uganda. When Tiger has to come from behind or is locked in a battle with one of the other top players, there is more suspense. But when he's in front heading into the final round, it's boring for me.

SCUDSBROTHER 09-12-2007 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by horseofcourse
I don't think it's boring. It's simply the best at his best. Nothing wrong with watching that. Like Secretariat's Belmont...that wasn't boring either. Much like golf in horse racing you can't always be at your best all the time...witness Onion and Prove Out...and Tiger Woods still loses more tournaments he enters than he wins as dominant as he is. When witnessing them at their best, I would call it more fun, than boring.

Well,yeah, you're from Idaho.The bar is pretty low there(as far as what qualifies as competition,or entertainment.)Once he gets part of the lead,then that's it for the competition aspect.Then it's like a Broadway Show or something.You know the outcome,but you want to see how it differs from the way you've seen it performed previously.It's limited entertainment,but so was that piece of crap "LIL HOUSE ON THE PRARIE." Somehow they made money with that,too.

horseofcourse 09-13-2007 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER
Well,yeah, you're from Idaho.The bar is pretty low there(as far as what qualifies as competition,or entertainment.)Once he gets part of the lead,then that's it for the competition aspect.Then it's like a Broadway Show or something.You know the outcome,but you want to see how it differs from the way you've seen it performed previously.It's limited entertainment,but so was that piece of crap "LIL HOUSE ON THE PRARIE." Somehow they made money with that,too.

No in all actuality I am not from Idaho, I am from Ohio. I live in Idaho. There are really no bars here either from what I can tell. I don't call Sunday's tournament not entertaining. He trailed by 1 going in, he still trailed early on the back nine by one to Stricker, and he kept making birdies....birdie after birdie. He shot 63. When the two leaders shoot 66 and 68 I wouldn't call that a lack of competition...call me crazy.

Believe it or not, when we turn on a TV in Idaho and watch a baseball game or golf tournament, the exact same picture comes over that screen as what you are watching. Absolutely amazing how that works!!!

Have a damn potato.

horseofcourse 09-13-2007 08:36 AM

And funny enough scuds...I saw him have part of the lead or the actual lead on Sunday at both the Masters and US Open, and at the end of the day I saw Zach Johnson and Angel Cabrera with trophies...so I'm not sure how exactly is it over when Tiger gets part of a lead??

King Glorious 09-15-2007 12:13 AM

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And funny enough scuds...I saw him have part of the lead or the actual lead on Sunday at both the Masters and US Open, and at the end of the day I saw Zach Johnson and Angel Cabrera with trophies...so I'm not sure how exactly is it over when Tiger gets part of a lead??

Do u have any doubts that this tournament is over? Tiger shot a 63 today and leads by three going into the weekend. He's something like 29-6 when he has a lead or a share of it after 36 holes. Talk about anti-climactic. He's magical to watch when he's going like this. That's why I say he's exciting and boring at the same time. It's exciting to see just how well he's going to do but boring because u are only watching him. U aren't watching to see the tournament because that's basically over. If he should happen to lose, it's because he lost, not because anyone else beat him.

SCUDSBROTHER 09-15-2007 03:14 AM

What's hilarious to me is this guy thinking Stricker,or Baddeley was gunna be able to hang in there with Tiger.Maybe if Tiger was 2 or 3 behind going into the back 9,but not when he is already 4 or 5 under on the round,and tied with them. Come on now.

JJP 09-15-2007 09:01 AM

Golf: fun to play but dreadful to watch.

horseofcourse 09-15-2007 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER
What's hilarious to me is this guy thinking Stricker,or Baddeley was gunna be able to hang in there with Tiger.Maybe if Tiger was 2 or 3 behind going into the back 9,but not when he is already 4 or 5 under on the round,and tied with them. Come on now.

You are unable to answer me. I am right as always and you are wrong. I made a statement that Woods held a lead or a share of the lead on Sunday this year at both the Masters and US Open and won neither of them, refuting your statement that when he gets a lead then that's it for the competition aspect. Maybe your memory is only 2 weeks capacity perhaps. You wrote that. You are wrong. Dead wrong. I am right. End of story. Never let facts get in the way of your nonsense scuds. I am the fact man. I know what the facts are. I brought up two cases this year where he didn't win WITH the lead or a share on SUNDAY...(in two of the biggest tourneys of the year.) Zach Johson and Angel Cabrera evidently didn't get your memo that when Tiger gets a part of the lead that's it.

go back to school and come back when you are minimal competition for me. If you want to continue to make sport of me because I live in Idaho or whatever other nonsense you want that is fine. As far as sports go, your knowledge compared to mine is quite minimal as I said. I'll take you to the woodshed time and time again.

HE's the best in the world, perhaps the best ever, and when he is at his best he won't lose. He in fact however lost two of the biggest tourneys in the world this year with a lead on the last day when you said that never happens. So come now...who's really the hilarious one here??? !!!! End of story.

horseofcourse 09-15-2007 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious
Do u have any doubts that this tournament is over? Tiger shot a 63 today and leads by three going into the weekend. He's something like 29-6 when he has a lead or a share of it after 36 holes. Talk about anti-climactic. He's magical to watch when he's going like this. That's why I say he's exciting and boring at the same time. It's exciting to see just how well he's going to do but boring because u are only watching him. U aren't watching to see the tournament because that's basically over. If he should happen to lose, it's because he lost, not because anyone else beat him.

YEs, they still have two days to play. the tourney won't end til sunday. In all liklihood he will win without question. He is playing well right now. His putter could go south, he could start getting wild. NO it is not over however. I would say his chances are well above 50 percent, but not 100 percent by any means.

horseofcourse 09-15-2007 11:33 AM

In the end scuds, he's Tiger Woods. You made fun of Idaho though, I gotta fight back on that one!! I'm not gonna take that lying down...even when I'm picking potatoes out of the ground (that's all we do here, so I guess I really didn't watch that Masters this year!!). It's pretty easy for me to catch any looselessness with any facts as they exist and facts are pretty easy to look up today with the internets and all that stuff. Even potato pickers have internets and TV antennas!!

King Glorious 09-17-2007 12:45 AM

Today was so exciting that I forgot to watch. This was a forgone conclusion after Friday.

GPK 09-17-2007 07:08 AM

I could watch him win by 8 shots every tourney he played. His control of the golf ball is something to behold. There has been anyone with that kind of control since Snead or Hogan.

He has taken the game to a whole nother level.

golfer 09-17-2007 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by GPK
I could watch him win by 8 shots every tourney he played. His control of the golf ball is something to behold. There has been anyone with that kind of control since Snead or Hogan.

He has taken the game to a whole nother level.

Kev, no offense, but how many times did you see Snead or Hogan play?:)

GPK 09-17-2007 10:16 AM

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Kev, no offense, but how many times did you see Snead or Hogan play?:)


Never. But I am a huge student of the history of the game. I have read enough about the game to feel very confident in making the statement about Hogan and Snead. I was also incredibly fortunate that one of golf's greatest gentleman, Chandler Harper, befriended me in the last few years of his life. He would come to the golf course in Suffolk where I was the Head Pro. I would have lunch with him a few times a month where I would sit like a kid..listening to all his old stories from when he played with those guys. I learned more from Mr. Harper in the last couple years he was alive than anyone or any book could ever teach me. So again, I feel confident in making the statement I did.

gales0678 09-17-2007 10:33 AM

kev - tiger played great and is no question the best out there and maybe one day will go down as the greatest , but , to as far as shotmaking goes Johnnie Miller and Lee Trevino have to be up there , who knows how many more tourney's miller would hav won if he could have putted and Trevino as a shotmaker from the 7 iron down is as good or better than Tiger - Tiger is probably 50 yds longer off the tee, but , no one could touch the merry mex with a wedge

GPK 09-17-2007 10:38 AM

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kev - tiger played great and is no question the best out there and maybe one day will go down as the greatest , but , to as far as shotmaking goes Johnnie Miller and Lee Trevino have to be up there , who knows how many more tourney's miller would hav won if he could have putted and Trevino as a shotmaker from the 7 iron down is as good or better than Tiger - Tiger is probably 50 yds longer off the tee, but , no one could touch the merry mex with a wedge


Lee was a GREAT ballstriker..top 5 of all time.

Johnny Miller?? Come on Marty...the guy had 3 or 4 good years. He didnt sustain his "greatness" long enough for me.

gales0678 09-17-2007 10:44 AM

kev it was the putting and the family - he didn't really push his talent to the top - but those years in the mid 70's he had were unreal - that 63 at Oakmont could be the best round ever played in an open - if he had Nicklaus putt for him who know how many he would have won , but , putting is a big part of the game
As for Lee trevino - he was quoted as saying if Jack Nickluas had to play my tee shots he would still be a pharmicst back in ohio!!! man - i got to see him play in some senior events up at sleepl hollow and meadowbrook up here kev - he would talk to wedge and tell it what exactly to do

GPK 09-17-2007 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by gales0678
kev it was the putting and the family - he didn't really push his talent to the top - but those years in the mid 70's he had were unreal - that 63 at Oakmont could be the best round ever played in an open - if he had Nicklaus putt for him who know how many he would have won , but , putting is a big part of the game
As for Lee trevino - he was quoted as saying if Jack Nickluas had to play my tee shots he would still be a pharmicst back in ohio!!! man - i got to see him play in some senior events up at sleepl hollow and meadowbrook up here kev - he would talk to wedge and tell it what exactly to do


I agree with you about Lee....the guy was unreal...especially with the way that he would reroute his swing. He is surely top 5 ballstrikers of all time....and he could putt lights out.


Johnny....blah....they dont have tournaments where only the shots from tee to green count. He was hot for a few years in the mid 70's...but I can think of plenty of better ballstrikers before and after him.

golfer 09-17-2007 03:22 PM

You've heard the story, I'm sure, about Hogan... He asked his caddy for yardage, the caddy said about 125, 126.. Hogan sternly replied, "Well, Which is it!! Precision!!
Johnny Miller will tell you that Johnny Miller was the greatest ball striker, albeit for a short period of time.

Where would you put Bobby Jones on the list of all-time golfers. He's the guy I feel I "Know", based on those fantastic "The Way I Play Golf" films that the golf channel has shown. I marvel at the way he played, with the equipment he used.

Crown@club 09-17-2007 03:32 PM

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You've heard the story, I'm sure, about Hogan... He asked his caddy for yardage, the caddy said about 125, 126.. Hogan sternly replied, "Well, Which is it!! Precision!!
Johnny Miller will tell you that Johnny Miller was the greatest ball striker, albeit for a short period of time.

Where would you put Bobby Jones on the list of all-time golfers. He's the guy I feel I "Know", based on those fantastic "The Way I Play Golf" films that the golf channel has shown. I marvel at the way he played, with the equipment he used.

I played in a sandbaggers (2-man scramble) tournament one time where I was paired up with a guy who had the second worst score of the opening round. He asked what was the distance from the green. I answered "145, 148." He replied "Well which it?" To my reply, "You shot what in the opening round? and your questioning me, like it matters?"

golfer 09-17-2007 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Crown@club
I played in a sandbaggers (2-man scramble) tournament one time where I was paired up with a guy who had the second worst score of the opening round. He asked what was the distance from the green. I answered "145, 148." He replied "Well which it?" To my reply, "You shot what in the opening round? and your questioning me, like it matters?"

I would hope he was joking, doing a take-off on the Hogan story, which has been around for a while. If he was serious, then this guy illustrates why it takes so long to play a round of golf these days.

Crown@club 09-17-2007 05:43 PM

Guy shoots 120-something in the first round and I'm sitting with my 9-iron in hand in 50 degree weather and seriously says which is it?

golfer 09-17-2007 06:23 PM

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Guy shoots 120-something in the first round and I'm sitting with my 9-iron in hand in 50 degree weather and seriously says which is it?

Well, then you were definitely paired up with what we call in the industry, a "JERK"!!


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