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Indian Charlie 08-28-2007 02:28 PM

i read last night that street sense is about 50/50..
 
to run in the mass cap, of all things!

who here would show up to this at suffolk?

VOL JACK 08-28-2007 02:31 PM

he'll go to turfway park. 9-29-07

SentToStud 08-28-2007 02:31 PM

I'll probably be there either way.

Sightseek 08-28-2007 02:35 PM

I saw Funny Cide lose at the Mass Cap and would probably go see Street Sense win. Besides, Boston rocks! :)

ARyan 08-28-2007 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie
to run in the mass cap, of all things!

who here would show up to this at suffolk?

I was planning on going anyway, so I would love it if he ran there!

Sox game after as well. What a day that would be!

Sightseek 08-28-2007 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Cardus
Suffolk Downs, with the oil tankers in the background... awesome!

Just close your eyes until you get back to Boston.

SniperSB23 08-28-2007 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
I might consider a trip to Suffolk if he goes.

Hell yeah, I've been looking for an excuse to get out there anyways.

Indian Charlie 08-28-2007 03:00 PM

holy cow, i wasnt expecting such enthusiasm from the out of towners.

what do people like best about boston anyways? getting lost while driving and wondering where the toll road exit you used yesterday went?

the architecture is pretty cool there, but man, driving through there is a bewildering experience.

Sightseek 08-28-2007 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie
holy cow, i wasnt expecting such enthusiasm from the out of towners.

what do people like best about boston anyways? getting lost while driving and wondering where the toll road exit you used yesterday went?

the architecture is pretty cool there, but man, driving through there is a bewildering experience.

I went to college in Boston, there is so much to love....but of course, I never had to drive.

SentToStud 08-28-2007 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie
holy cow, i wasnt expecting such enthusiasm from the out of towners.

what do people like best about boston anyways? getting lost while driving and wondering where the toll road exit you used yesterday went?

the architecture is pretty cool there, but man, driving through there is a bewildering experience.

Got a kid outside Hartford and usually spend some time in Cape Cod in September. The Commons, Old North neighborhood, Fenway, the Cape. What's not to like?

viscount26 08-28-2007 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie
holy cow, i wasnt expecting such enthusiasm from the out of towners.

what do people like best about boston anyways? getting lost while driving and wondering where the toll road exit you used yesterday went?

the architecture is pretty cool there, but man, driving through there is a bewildering experience.

I leave the car at the Hotel, and take the T
:D

Indian Charlie 08-28-2007 03:18 PM

yeah, boston is pretty cool, but driving there is usually a terrible experience.

i did figure out finally a surefire way to get to the colonial theater, but they haven't had anything real interesting there lately anyways.

i will head down for the mass cap though, street sense or no street sense.

Sightseek 08-28-2007 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie
yeah, boston is pretty cool, but driving there is usually a terrible experience.

i did figure out finally a surefire way to get to the colonial theater, but they haven't had anything real interesting there lately anyways.

i will head down for the mass cap though, street sense or no street sense.

After taking a look at Revere, you'll want to get back to Storrow Drive as soon as possible! :D

XIIPointStables 08-28-2007 04:00 PM

Count me in!

docicu3 08-28-2007 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie
holy cow, i wasnt expecting such enthusiasm from the out of towners.

what do people like best about boston anyways? getting lost while driving and wondering where the toll road exit you used yesterday went?

the architecture is pretty cool there, but man, driving through there is a bewildering experience.

I was born and brought up in Boston so needless to say I have a bit of a bias here. Learning to drive as a kid in Boston was survival of the fittest on Rte 128 and there you learned two rules.

1) Never impede anybody's progress

2) He with the biggest and oldest car gets the most road

So the the "78" cadi going 85 in the far right hand lane on Rte 128 is doing just fine by me.

(refuse to call it Rte 95 nor will I put up with the reversal of the numbers on the exit signs they changed in the 80's. Honestly how do you go from being Exit 50 going to Salem one day to Exit 26 the next. .... )

I love SS going to the Mass Cap. It's like a rock and roll tour to help out a struggling track that didn't even have the race funded last year. Now if we could just get RTR or Curlin to show up we would have something......Hard Spun will never race again IMO.....off to stud we go hi ho ho!!

Hail2Reason 08-28-2007 04:27 PM

The tracks put out these rumors based on nothing. I heard the same thing about the Super Derby. If he is going to ship anywhere out of the midwest it is going to be LA where they have offered him a $1,000,000 purse and it would be against 3yr olds and 9f.

Right now you have to think it is between LA and Hawthorne.

Norfolk 08-28-2007 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Sightseek
After taking a look at Revere, you'll want to get back to Storrow Drive as soon as possible! :D

When did you graduate from college and leave Boston? Since then Revere Beach has become a place to live, all new condos.:)
The Governor is going to announce his support for casino gambling in September and sadly if Suffolk doesn’t get slots it will be the next condo development in Revere.

Indian Charlie 08-28-2007 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
It's not based on nothing. Nafzger mentioned 5 possible races for Street Sense's next start. The KY Cup Classic, Super Derby, Mass Cap, Jockey Club Gold Cup or Hawthorne Gold Cup. He said he was leaning toward a race against elders and a 9 furlong race. Out of those 5, the Mass Cap and KY Cup Classic fit the criteria.

http://www.drf.com/news/article/87978.html


i hate when people stoop to using facts and logic in their arguments.

ARyan 08-28-2007 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie
holy cow, i wasnt expecting such enthusiasm from the out of towners.

what do people like best about boston anyways? getting lost while driving and wondering where the toll road exit you used yesterday went?

the architecture is pretty cool there, but man, driving through there is a bewildering experience.

I spent 3 to 4 weeks every summer growing up there. I love that city, it is like my second home. If you can drive in Boston, you can drive anywhere...

Danzig 08-28-2007 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
It's not based on nothing. Nafzger mentioned 5 possible races for Street Sense's next start. The KY Cup Classic, Super Derby, Mass Cap, Jockey Club Gold Cup or Hawthorne Gold Cup. He said he was leaning toward a race against elders and a 9 furlong race. Out of those 5, the Mass Cap and KY Cup Classic fit the criteria.

http://www.drf.com/news/article/87978.html

i wonder if it'll be the mass, as the ky cup is at turfway, and it's poly--a surface that street sense hasn't run his best on...and of course, hard spun may go to the ky cup, since he has a win there. you'd think darley wouldn't want the two to square off til the bcc.

letswastemoney 08-28-2007 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig
i wonder if it'll be the mass, as the ky cup is at turfway, and it's poly--a surface that street sense hasn't run his best on...and of course, hard spun may go to the ky cup, since he has a win there. you'd think darley wouldn't want the two to square off til the bcc.

But he doesn't need to win as it's just a prep...and he used a poly prep race en route to his Derby win....The same thing could work again.

Danzig 08-28-2007 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by letswastemoney
But he doesn't need to win as it's just a prep...and he used a poly prep race en route to his Derby win....The same thing could work again.

yeah, i know he's prepped on the stuff. but i'd imagine they'd rather he prep with a win then a loss, regardless of surface. but then again, the bcc is THE objective.
i guess we'll just have to wait and see.

Hail2Reason 08-28-2007 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie
i hate when people stoop to using facts and logic in their arguments.

I hate it too. Not sure how that article or anything he says reasons out to 50-50 for the Mass Cap. Sounds like it is 1 in 5 at best. "Leaning" towards a race means absolutely nothing when dealing with horse trainers. Just sounds like he has no idea where he is going and he is throwing out races to see just how big of a bonus they are going to put together for him.

The Indomitable DrugS 08-28-2007 07:46 PM

I can't wait!

NTamm1215 08-28-2007 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Hail2Reason
I hate it too. Not sure how that article or anything he says reasons out to 50-50 for the Mass Cap. Sounds like it is 1 in 5 at best. "Leaning" towards a race means absolutely nothing when dealing with horse trainers. Just sounds like he has no idea where he is going and he is throwing out races to see just how big of a bonus they are going to put together for him.


Which is why your post is entirely valid...La Downs has already put up a big bonus. I just don't see how the Super Derby for a million bucks is not his best option, especially considering there is a great chance it will have a stronger field than the MassCap. Realistically, with the Brooklyn on the 22nd and the Jockey Club Gold Cup a week later, the Ky Cup Classic and the Hawthorne Gold Cup, what kind of field will the MassCap get?

NT

P.S. I'm going to La Downs for the Super Derby, so I am biased in hoping Street Sense goes there.

Danzig 08-28-2007 08:22 PM

main point against the super derby is that nafzger said he'd like a run against older before the bcc.


wonder why? does it really matter?

Sightseek 08-28-2007 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Norfolk
When did you graduate from college and leave Boston? Since then Revere Beach has become a place to live, all new condos.:)
The Governor is going to announce his support for casino gambling in September and sadly if Suffolk doesn’t get slots it will be the next condo development in Revere.

I transferred in mid '98. While in college I taught riding and the locals always said to be weary of certain areas because I relied on public tranportation to get me back to Brookline.

Your last sentence is why I really hope Street Sense or someone big shows up so the attendance and handle are strong. I'd hate to see Suffolk turn into another Narragansett Park..so much history in the Mass Cap.

Street Sense really has been a breath of fresh air to the sport even though people for whatever reason don't fall over him like Smarty, Alex or Bernardini. A Juvie Champ to go on and win the Derby, run second in the Preakness, win the Dandy and Travers and will actually prep for the Classic. He'll say good-bye at the end of the year but at least he did something in the way of a 3 year old campaign.

Sightseek 08-28-2007 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215
Which is why your post is entirely valid...La Downs has already put up a big bonus. I just don't see how the Super Derby for a million bucks is not his best option, especially considering there is a great chance it will have a stronger field than the MassCap. Realistically, with the Brooklyn on the 22nd and the Jockey Club Gold Cup a week later, the Ky Cup Classic and the Hawthorne Gold Cup, what kind of field will the MassCap get?

NT

P.S. I'm going to La Downs for the Super Derby, so I am biased in hoping Street Sense goes there.

He's already been bought for a multi-million dollar stud deal, does purse size really matter at this point?

Indian Charlie 08-28-2007 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Sightseek
I transferred in mid '98. While in college I taught riding and the locals always said to be weary of certain areas because I relied on public tranportation to get me back to Brookline.

Your last sentence is why I really hope Street Sense or someone big shows up so the attendance and handle are strong. I'd hate to see Suffolk turn into another Narragansett Park..so much history in the Mass Cap.

Street Sense really has been a breath of fresh air to the sport even though people for whatever reason don't fall over him like Smarty, Alex or Bernardini. A Juvie Champ to go on and win the Derby, run second in the Preakness, win the Dandy and Travers and will actually prep for the Classic. He'll say good-bye at the end of the year but at least he did something in the way of a 3 year old campaign.

yeah, but do you know any good places to eat in boston? i've heard boston is supposed to have great food, but have yet to encounter any. the all you can eat chocolate buffet sounds intriguing though.

Sightseek 08-28-2007 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie
yeah, but do you know any good places to eat in boston? i've heard boston is supposed to have great food, but have yet to encounter any. the all you can eat chocolate buffet sounds intriguing though.

I drool over the thought of a chocolate buffet :D

It really depends on your tastes and prize range...

Indian Charlie 08-28-2007 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Sightseek
I drool over the thought of a chocolate buffet :D

It really depends on your tastes and prize range...

yeah, the chocolate buffet is sort of a brunch deal. they have something like 100 different chocolate dishes to choose from.

now that i'm probably better able to deal with an excess like that, i may try it this year!

as to my tastes? i like ethnic foods more than whitey foods. high quality sushi/japanese food is easily my favorite, but i also love good thai, indian, vietnamese, mexican, brazillian, french and probably a few others i'm not remembering at the moment.

if the food is worth it, i generally dont mind paying a higher price for it.

so, got any recommendations?

NTamm1215 08-28-2007 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Sightseek
He's already been bought for a multi-million dollar stud deal, does purse size really matter at this point?

I was referring to the assertion that someone made regarding Suffolk needing to increase the purse size in order to help lure Street Sense. Clearly, they have a huge target to reach.

NT

Sightseek 08-28-2007 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie
yeah, the chocolate buffet is sort of a brunch deal. they have something like 100 different chocolate dishes to choose from.

now that i'm probably better able to deal with an excess like that, i may try it this year!

as to my tastes? i like ethnic foods more than whitey foods. high quality sushi/japanese food is easily my favorite, but i also love good thai, indian, vietnamese, mexican, brazillian, french and probably a few others i'm not remembering at the moment.

if the food is worth it, i generally dont mind paying a higher price for it.

so, got any recommendations?

I'm so finding that chocolate buffet.

Ooooooh, Thai food is my absolute favorite. Darn, I wish I could remember this place I went to on a date once, it was beyond awesome. I'll have to do some research to see if I can find it. I know there are a few in the Copley Square / Newbury St area. I can never do Indian because back when I was looking for an apt in Boston it seemed like every apt unit smelled like curry and it completely turned me off. I've always heard that Cambridge has a lot to offer in the way of dining...and it may be a little easier to navigate about in the car. ;)

Back when I lived in RI (yes I've lived in 8 different states) there were a few REALLY great Thai and Japenese Steak houses, which I have yet to find their comparision in the Saratoga/Albany area.

ARyan 08-28-2007 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Sightseek
I'm so finding that chocolate buffet.

Ooooooh, Thai food is my absolute favorite. Darn, I wish I could remember this place I went to on a date once, it was beyond awesome. I'll have to do some research to see if I can find it. I know there are a few in the Copley Square / Newbury St area. I can never do Indian because back when I was looking for an apt in Boston it seemed like every apt unit smelled like curry and it completely turned me off. I've always heard that Cambridge has a lot to offer in the way of dining...and it may be a little easier to navigate about in the car. ;)

Back when I lived in RI (yes I've lived in 8 different states) there were a few REALLY great Thai and Japenese Steak houses, which I have yet to find their comparision in the Saratoga/Albany area.

Have you tried any of the Veitnam places in Albany? I like to frequent them when I am in Albany.

Sightseek 08-28-2007 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by ARyan
Have you tried any of the Veitnam places in Albany? I like to frequent them when I am in Albany.

I heard My Linh was pretty good but have never gone.


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