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4 in a row for Pletcher both baby races
Amazing, just incredible. Pletcher debuts a stunner in race 2 whos three. WIns the stake, then wins a maiden claimer, then unveils a stunner in race 5 with another SMASHING baby. Incredible machine.
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How'd Consecration look, Oracle? Love those Pulpit's. thanks!
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Thanks, Oracle. No shame in finishing a good 2nd to a very nice horse - he should win the next time out. I didn't even know his pedigree, but once I saw his name, lol, I knew he had to be by Pulpit.
Todd has a talented 2 year old filly named Rags to Riches who's a 1/2 to Jazil; she finished a good fourth in her first start. She should add to his stable of baby winners shortly. Already so far (and it's very early in the season) there have been a lot of promising 2 year olds...... |
Pletcher is loaded with 2YO's this year. Should be interesting!
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Hopefully he won't ruin them like he did Keyed Entry.
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How about Texas where he won two breeders cup races? Do they count at all?
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so does that mean that john servis is a better trainer than todd pletcher? lol puh-leeze!
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I laugh at how you guys bash the Cunningham guy for his daddy getting him into the game but you just look past the daddy connection with Pletcher. |
for one, i've never said anything negative to cunningham about anything.
second, i didn't compare pletcher to baffert or lukas, you did. but i think you're path to greatness is to narrow, if it only includes those with a classic win. i'd rather have a trainer who performs day in and day out than someone who gets more lucky than good a couple times a year. and before you pounce, i'm not including either trainer you mentioned in that. besides, pletcher had a heck of a day and deserves some props for that. sorry you don't care for it. |
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Yes ... yes, he is. Pletcher is the King Of The MSW Sprints and very good at developing fillies. But the center ring of this circus is for G1 male horses racing at classic distances on the dirt. And that spotlight never seems to shine on Mr. Pletcher. |
Pletcher by far is one of the best trainers in the game today. Of course if you gave his stable to Zito, Mandella, Frankel, Baffert etc etc then the results will be about the same. In this game there are a few races that matter. Those races are triple crown races and breeders cup races. So far Pletcher has a big goose egg in triple crown races and he as a couple of breeder cup wins. But his stable has only been open since 1995. He has a 28% win and 60.8% in the money. But until he can win some triple crown races then he is going to be in the shadow of Zito, Baffert and Lukas. But there is no question he is one of the top trainers in the nation today.
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Regardless of how many classics he hasn't won, or who helped him get into the business, he is the best trainer in the country.
He wins a lot of purse money and the top organizations in the business trust him with their first string. Money and winning are what it is about, and he has figured that out for sure. I don't care if he hasn't touched a horse in two years, he is the best trainer in this country. |
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winning a classic race means you're the best?! right. that's like saying derrick cope is a hall of fame driver because he lucked into a daytona 500 win. |
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Welcome back, oh mighty one! Yeah ... he's a terrific trainer ... that's indisputable ... but you better than anyone else should know that training a colt to consistently win G1 races at classic distances isn't something that just falls into your lap. Anyone who does it deserves a lot of credit for achieving it ... even if it only happens once. But Pletcher hasn't done it ... not even once ... despite enormous opportunites to do so. I don't claim to understand why he hasn't ... I just report the facts, ma'am. And I'll compare another filly to Affectionately when that filly wins a graded stakes race carrying 137 pounds. That boils it down to Ta Wee ... and I'm not holding my breath until another one like them comes along. |
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There have been lots of colts with the same amount of talent ... but very few became champions like Smarty Jones ... and none of them were trained by Pletcher. Don't denigrate the great work Servis did ... just to make excuses for Pletcher. Developing a colt into a consistent winner at classic distances is very hard to do ... and no one knows that better than Pletcher. |
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Does anyone think all these owners with the million dollar babies are sending them to Pletcher because he cant win a TC rACE? Whos the best? There is room for all and if you prefere on to the other that proves why there is room for all in tis game. I love a trainer like Cody Autry that consistantly claims horses for 5-10k and moves them up and wins. When he attracts a owner with a nice stble of younguns he could be a force but untill then he will find his niche and be a great trainer in what he does. None of the top trainers need to be dissed they all have earned there way. Some specialize, turfers. routers, sprinters,babies, or olderhorses.All make mistakes but they attract there clientel for a reason. This place would be very dull if we only had plain vanilla icecream.
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... 'cause you never got tired watching Hirsch Jacobs ... when you were 50 years younger. In fact ... Hirsch probably got tired watching you! |
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Pletcher: $11 Million + Servis: huh? |
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enoromuos opportunities.. yes.. based on the number of runners he's sent to TC races.. but really, how many of those runners.. especially Derby runners, really were legit contenders in the big dance? |
I'll bet that Pletcher wins a triple crown race next year. ;)
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No doubt it will eventually happen.. and when it does, he could win 'em in bunches!! |
Pletcher is the best trainer in the country as of right now that has a large operation. The thing that I love about Pletcher is that he picks the best spots possible for his horses, rests them win they need to rest, and runs them when they are ready to run. I think Tagg and Matz are right there with him as far as horsemanship goes. I really like Bob Baffert and Nick Zito as trainers too, but they aren't even in the same league as Pletcher as of right now when it comes to producing stakes winners. Pletcher is just turning them out one after another. Also, you are kidding yourself if you think that Lukas is a better trainer than Pletcher as of right now.
By the way... 2005 BC Classic-2nd Flower Alley 2006 KY Derby-2nd Bluegrass Cat 2006 Belmont-2nd Bluegrass Cat...3rd Sunriver I agree with Cajun...I bet Pletcher wins a big race within the next year. |
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You're right about Baffert. He is doing well this year, but I think Pletcher is doing better. |
I have a feeling that once Pletcher gets things dialed in on TC side for the colts, he is going to go on a run and win a bunch of these races in the coming years.
Sometimes I think that it might actually be the size of his empire that gets in his way and prevents him from focusing in on a select few of the more promising individuals. When a Tagg or a Servis get a TC candidate it really becomes the main focal point and therefore as a result of all this attention on specific horses they have so far had more success. I think I remember that Servis spent the whole winter down at Oaklawn with Smarty, something that I'm guessing he has never done before. I don't know... just a theory. But my main point is that I think Todd is bright enough that he will get it figured out and when he does, with the talent pool that he has to work with, he is going to win several classic's, imo. |
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Not sure why there is such amazement with Pletcher's early success with 2 year olds this year. This happens EVERY year (maybe to a lesser extent). He always has 50 or so amazing maiden breakers / allowance winners every year between the Belmont (both), Saratoga, and Gulfstream Park meets and 90% of them appear to be the next superhorse.
He is a tremendous trainer in getting young fast horses to the gate and run fast (typically in sprints). My concern, if I was going to give him my horse, is that it appears to me (compared to other top trainers) that a small % (not number, but %) of these emergenging superstars "turn the corner". Most of them are done by the fall of their 3 year old careers. For every Ashado, More than Ready, Flower Alley English Channel, etc there are 50 Confederations, Indy Dancer, Heckle, etc whose first couple races are their best in the carrers. I agree he will one / many of the classics soon. You throw enough darts against the board eventually you will hit a bulls eye. Just in sheer numbers it would seem impossible for it to not happen. |
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