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ArlJim78 07-24-2007 07:13 PM

BC supers
 
Great news! the Breeders Cup races will offer 10cent supers this year. I have been so waiting for this.


http://www.courier-journal.com/apps/.../70724023/1037

NoLuvForPletch 07-24-2007 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by ArlJim78
Great news! the Breeders Cup races will offer 10cent supers this year. I have been so waiting for this.


http://www.courier-journal.com/apps/.../70724023/1037

yes, but i believe you can only bet them in places that have the bet in place, which means not in NY

herkhorse 07-24-2007 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by NoLuvForPletch
yes, but i believe you can only bet them in places that have the bet in place, which means not in NY

I bet 10 cent supers in NY.

robfla 07-24-2007 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by NoLuvForPletch
yes, but i believe you can only bet them in places that have the bet in place, which means not in NY


not in fla

robfla 07-24-2007 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by herkhorse
I bet 10 cent supers in NY.


on track?

herkhorse 07-24-2007 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by robfla
on track?

No, At OTB

ateamstupid 07-24-2007 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by herkhorse
No, At OTB

What OTB?

zippyneedsawin 07-24-2007 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by herkhorse
No, At OTB

not any OTB I've ever been to.

herkhorse 07-24-2007 07:55 PM

All of them that I go to take them. (Capital District Region)

ArlJim78 07-24-2007 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by NoLuvForPletch
yes, but i believe you can only bet them in places that have the bet in place, which means not in NY

Of course you can only bet them on tracks that take them, and I don't think the major NY tracks have them.

but are you telling me you can't go to the OTB in NY and play 10cent supers on the CA tracks? if thats true I guess it sucks to be in NY.

Hickory Hill Hoff 07-24-2007 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by ArlJim78
Of course you can only bet them on tracks that take them, and I don't think the major NY tracks have them.

but are you telling me you can't go to the OTB in NY and play 10cent supers on the CA tracks? if thats true I guess it sucks to be in NY.

Many reasons.....taxes, taxes, taxes!!! :mad:

ArlJim78 07-24-2007 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
it does suck to be in NY, but not for this reason. You can bet 10 cent supers in OTB's on tracks that have the 10 cent super.

that's what I thought.

Coach Pants 07-24-2007 08:15 PM

I have a love/hate relationship with the dime super. It's great when you're at home and play it, but it's a nightmare when you're at the track and want to make a serious wager and there are 5 assholes in front of you who all are playing dime supers and they've never placed a wager before.

ArlJim78 07-24-2007 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Hickory Hill Hoff
Many reasons.....taxes, taxes, taxes!!! :mad:

my statement was only with regard to the availability of the 10cent super, don't know what the other issues are, but taxes are ugly in many places, not only NY.

Coach Pants 07-24-2007 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
I agree, it can be a bit much. Hopefully one day there will be a window for such a bet. I usually use the machines anyway to type my bet in, although they can get crowded too.

Yeah the new selfbet machines at Churchill were nice at first until the mouthbreathers figured out how to use them. Now you'll have some douchebag actually handicapping the race while making his wager. It's ridiculous.

ArlJim78 07-24-2007 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Pillow Pants
I have a love/hate relationship with the dime super. It's great when you're at home and play it, but it's a nightmare when you're at the track and want to make a serious wager and there are 5 assholes in front of you who all are playing dime supers and they've never placed a wager before.

i can't imagine trying to play it at the track, especially on a busy day. I play it almost exclusively at home...

at Arlington you come upon these old timers punching out 10cent supers for like 10minutes! and they're only spending like $5 if that. they do a lot of double checking and starting over.

of course it doesn't help that many of the self serve machines don't work very well, you have to strike the number on the corner or else it gives you a different number. it can be real maddening.

Hickory Hill Hoff 07-24-2007 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by ArlJim78
my statement was only with regard to the availability of the 10cent super, don't know what the other issues are, but taxes are ugly in many places, not only NY.

there the worst here.

MaTH716 07-24-2007 08:27 PM

I love the idea of the dime supers, but you guys are right. All it is going to do is gum up the works. The lines at the tracks and otb's will be longer and it will be tougher to get in on the phones. Plus the computers are always slow on big days like that, so they will probably be affected too.

ArlJim78 07-24-2007 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716
I love the idea of the dime supers, but you guys are right. All it is going to do is gum up the works. The lines at the tracks and otb's will be longer and it will be tougher to get in on the phones. Plus the computers are always slow on big days like that, so they will probably be affected too.

yeah but for the breeders cup, you should be able to plan your wagers in advance to some extent and make the wagers earlier in the day.

Hickory Hill Hoff 07-24-2007 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by ArlJim78
yeah but for the breeders cup, you should be able to plan your wagers in advance to some extent and make the wagers earlier in the day.

Exactly!
Every track should offer them, you have to deal with the "old" bettors whether there's 10 cent supers or not, I can :)

MaTH716 07-24-2007 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by ArlJim78
yeah but for the breeders cup, you should be able to plan your wagers in advance to some extent and make the wagers earlier in the day.

I don't know about that. It seems that alot of people like to see what the horses look like in the paddock and on the track before the race before making thier bets. People also want to see the board. But it is very hard to put bets in that early on a race day that big. For instance, last years Breeders Cup I was at Freehold raceway for most of the day betting the races. I put my bets in for the classic early thinking it would be very chalky and went home to watch it. Now I am mostly a exoctics guy, mainly exactas and triples. I only bet a horse to win if it is about 6-1 / 7-1 or higher. I loved Invasor, and I never imagined that he would go off and pay $15 dollars. But unfortunatley I was at home and did not have a win bet on him. Back to the point, with so many $2 dollar bettors, this dime super is such a value bet especially when the payoff on big days like that a huge that the lines at the tracks and otb's are going to be longer and slower than ever and people who try to wait to the last minute to bet are going to be shut out by a guy boxing 6 horses in his dime super. Then again I could be wrong in thinking that all of America plays the BC like they play the Derby. Now that would be real chaos!

philcski 07-24-2007 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
it does suck to be in NY, but not for this reason. You can bet 10 cent supers in OTB's on tracks that have the 10 cent super.

Not at NYRA you can't. Nor the 50 cent P5 at Monmouth ($1 Minimum)

philcski 07-24-2007 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
That's why I said in OTB's.

Interesting also that at OTB's in NY you cannot bet the pic 4 at Ellis with the 4% takeout. They offer a pic 3 with the same takeout.

Is that true? F*cking cheap sons of bitches. Hadn't played it yet but intended to this weekend coming up (but thru my NYRA account, most likely). NYOTB is such a fraud!

Scav 07-24-2007 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
I am pretty sure. I tried to 2 weekends ago and I couldn't. They offered the pic 3, which at 4% is still a good deal, but why they don't offer the 4 is beyond me.

I don't think the pick three is at 4%, just the pick four

NoLuvForPletch 07-24-2007 10:58 PM

Okay, just to clear things up, again. You CAN NOT bet 10 cent supers at NYRA tracks or NYC OTB's. If you can do it in other OTB's in the state, great. But down here in civilization you CAN NOT.

ALostTexan 07-26-2007 09:14 PM

Just amazes me that these OTB's completely miss the point of lowering the takeout on certain bets. If you do that, then bettors will bet other stuff on those races. I can personally attest to that.

Just amazing that they would cut off their noses to spite their faces like that...


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