War Emblem: What to do now?
 

there's an article on bloodhorse saying his owners in japan no longer want to fool with him. this is the second year that he covered no mares. seems they're interested in getting rid of him. this presents a bit of a problem since his previous owners are both deceased.
here's hoping we don't have another derby winner disappear in japan. hopefully someone will step up and bring this guy back to the states. if he's not interested in mares, maybe they could have the dual-classic winner at ky horse park.

I volunteer Post Time Racing Stables to sponsor bringing War Emblem back to the Horse Farm...JJ & Samm what do you say.. I might as well get something for my money.

that sucks geek

anyway, War Emblem needs to carry a rainbow flag and join the parade's!


never liked his owner, so by default i never liked the horse (well, after he was purchased 3 weeks away from the derby). I guess it doesnt bother me that there will not be any baby emblems around.

Its to bad that he doesn't have any interest in covering mares. His first crop (4 foals) is 75% winners right now. And the 4th foal, has a record of 4 starts, 0 wins, 1 place, and 2 shows. He doesn't seem to be doing that bad as a sire. I think his second crop even has a winner or two already as well.

You didn't like Reinaman or you didn't like the middle east guy that bought him?

Didnt like the middle east guy, the Thoroughbred Corp.

http://news.bloodhorse.com/viewstory.asp?id=17832

I cant remember but did they try to breed him hear first or did he go straight over there? Maybe someone can bring him back over here and try to get him to do his business.

he went right over there, and no luck with him. he covered a few mares, i think he has a total of about three dozen offspring--but not one mare covered this or last spring.


and the reason i mentioned the owners is that it seems quite often these days, owners (such as the lewises) have it put into a contract when they sell, that if the buyer decides to re-sell, they have right of first refusal. but since there ARE no previous owners, obviously that isn't an option.

Old Friends in KY has said before that they will try and get him if no one else was interested.

I would think someone would want to try and breed him. I think its worth the effort atleast.

i just wonder what the deal is. libido issue? or maybe a physical issue--i wonder if he's having pain somewhere when he tries to cover, so he won't try any more.

i know other horses have had issues at first, but his have dragged on for years now. slew was a timid breeder at first.

i think war emblem would be worth working with, if you can find the root cause....

He likes other male horses :eek:

Prince Ahmed bin Salman bought War Emblem from the Reinman (sp?)
anyway... He died via a CIA induced heart attack at 40 something I think


War Emblem may just need different stimuli
or maybe he just likes to get to know her first
:o

Not that there is anything wrong with that...... :D

CIA induced???? Oh,that's rich!!

Maybe he needs to be wined and dined first! ;)

This is the horse responsible for getting me hooked on this sport. I do hope things turn out well for him.

Probably cant produce his own testosterone after all his steroids

Initially, he would cover some mares and totally reject others, without rhyme or reason; no pattern could be detected in which he would mate with and which he would reject - not color, not markings, not experience (maiden mares vs veterans). He just liked some mares and didn't like others. That's why he has some foals on the ground.

he won't get with any mare, only 10's or better!

The vet that comes up with horsey Viagra will make a million.

A-HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!


ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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The one about hosrey viagra.




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I almost barfed my ham sandwich on that one...this is very bad.






I know father. I am prepared for my deserved penance.










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( Phooey!!)

robfla!!!

yeah, i kept up with the stories--seems he would go with a few, so they'd bring them in, get him riled up and then throw in a sub. but there's got to be something else going on there.

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Sound familiar?

Thank you so much....you have the Phooey(StevieBogs) Decimal System down very well sir!!

Did they try sending the ones he liked the first time back to him? You can't make a career out of that because no mare owner would want 10 War Emblem foals from the same mare but it could buy you another season. If he rejects one he liked before then I dunno.

Not sure he should go straight to Old Friends. The supreme irony would be if Coolmore's division got him, being as they like to shoot for 200 foals it seems like. I guess whoever it is has to be big enough to afford him and handle His Royal Nastiness but small enough to devote the time and energy. Hmm..

Maybe he just prefers American fillies :D

http://breeding.bloodhorse.com/viewstory.asp?id=39686

well, no wonder war emblem gave them a hard time! this is outrageous, to cover that many mares in a season!

maybe they should get War Emblem a little drunk before he covers mares.. I know the ole' beer goggles have helped lots of people get a little.

A stallion has to 'stop' his mares on the first cover every time is he is going to get such a huge number of them in foal. That means the vets have to be exactly right about whether the mare has a follicle that is ready or not as well as the stallion being extremely fertile. And it becomes grueling work, having to cover mares 3 or4 times a day. If he won't be shuttling (and I doubt the Japanese will ever let him out of the country), then he may have time to recover his strength for next year.

This was George Washington's problem, by the way. Coolmore has the philosophy that he's got to stop them the first cover so they can rake in the big bucks (more fees for more mares). But GW was not co-operating; he got some in foal on the first cover but would probably need a second or third for the rest. Back when 40-foal crops were the norm, the farm could do that and still get the fee, but these days they demand volume.

I'm sure there will be a couple of U.S. farms interested in working with him if he comes cheap enough.

When that (likely) fails, then Old Friends is well equipped to handle retired stallions. He might be a bit nasty for the Horse Park...

And John Henry isn't? LMAO

Golly, if I was a Buddhist, I'd know what I'd like to be reincarnated as.
And, if I ever stumbled into a pharmacy, how do you say "Super size that viagra" in horse-speak?

Fantasy is always better than reality. Ask Sunday Silence, End Sweep, etc., how they physically fared mounting and breeding 230 mares a year, every year in and out for 10 years. They didn't last long... one died from broken withers falling of a mare(probably exhausted) and the other (SS) they tried to keep alive with a broken leg, laminitis etc.

Let's see how long Deep Impact lasts breeding 230 mares year after year...

Of course, he is one nasty old boy.

But they are also out of stall space, from what i've heard...

Well, that stinks...

If they ended up gelding War Emblem, he'd probably calm down a bit. (Ouch.)

I'm sure it would help!!

What is John Henry, 32? it is possible he won't last forever... :D I'm sure Derby winners Funny Cide and WE would have first dibs at duking it out for space if the owners wanted them at the horse park...