Biggio "3000"!!!
 

http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/events/biggio3000/index.jsp

He joins an elite group of 27 players to reach that plateau...myself and good friend Frank Colvin had this guy destined for greatness 18 year's ago!

Greatness? F'n Grinder......WHO CARES?

Yes, when you become only the 27th man to do something in MLB, that is great. The guy has been the consummate professional, starting at three different positions during his career. He has Hall of Fame credentials and should be there on the first ballot.

NT

Nope...Average player.......2781 games...3000 hits...What's he hitting now? 0.250? What basis you putting him into the Hall for? Played along time? Got a hit a little more than 1 out of 4 times at the plate.Hit over 0.300 just 4 out of 19 seasons.No f'n way...Grinder.......If Garvey ain't getting in,then f this guy,too .No star.Never has been.Pro Grinder.....Name a sandwich after him.

2002 Houston Astros .253 ..Grinder
2003 Houston Astros .264 Grinder
2004 Houston Astros .281 Grinder
2005 Houston Astros .264 Grinder
2006 Houston Astros .246 Grinder
2007 Houston Astros .250(about) Grinder

Only Pete Rose, Rafael Palmeiro & Ricky Henderson ahead of him on the hit list (the rest in the HOF) and 6th all-time in doubles (658)

Belongs there on those stats alone!

If you want to put somebody in for having a lot of at bats,then go for it,but he is nothing more than a glorified grinder.You can look at it anyway you want,but he is an average player that played forever.If you're desperate to put an Astro in,then Bagwell is a much better candidate.He had 10x the talent of this guy.

Yes, I forgot that stat too!

It's sad that this guy is taking away attention from a real deserving Hall of Famer (Frank Thomas.)There are a lot of really nice team players,and most aren't going in the Hall(Scioscia for instance.)You need to be able to reserve the Hall for the top talent(not just somebody who has a long and decent career.)Here are the main reasons why a very average player with typical stats (for anybody who has had a very long career would have)is getting into the Hall......

1)a good caucasian boy
2)good citizen
3)looks more like joe the plumber than a modern day athlete
4)been with same team for almost 20 years
5) a true team player

Every reason given tonite (for his being worthy of going into the Hall ) is time-based.This is no superstar.This is simply a good team player that ground out a long career,and played long enough to get a lot of hits.If ya get a decent amount of hits each year.then what do you expect will happen? I'll tell you what will happen.You do it for about 19 years,and you'll get 3000 hits.Simple math.See,this is a unique situation.His batting average has been slipping.Most would have retired,or more likely....he would have lost his job to a better younger player.This is a very conservative city,and they don't like change.That's why they ain't doing a damn thing to win.They would rather have an old player get 3000 hits than go young with some young hitters.

This is the type of player MLB needs, if factor EVERY sport.
Most of the athletes today could care less about loyalty, being a team player, stay out of trouble and not looking like a "bulked up cartoon" character and most of all and I'll quote you; "1)a good caucasian boy". Frankly, I'm sick of all the "very young" athletes getting everything handed to them fresh out of high school or one year of college! If it keeps up this way, all those little greddy bastards will be old and washed up by the time thier 30! And who will them watch or care???

Congrats to both guys! Nice accomplishment for both of them!

There is no question that Biggio is a HOF player. He is one of the 10 best 2nd baseman of all time and arguably could be listed as high as #7.

Obviously the top 6 who are in the HOF are:
1. Rogers Hornsby
2. Nap Lajoie
3. Joe Morgan
4. Eddie Collins
5. Jackie Robinson
6. Charlie Gehinger

Then you have a group that includes Rod Carew, Frankie Frisch and Ryne Sandberg. He fits nicely with these guys and you could easily say that he was a better all around player than any of them especially in light of him playing 4 years at Catcher which surely suppressed his numbers a bit and playing so many of his peak years in the Astrodome which undoubtedly lowered his offensive numbers. He has not been a great player for the last few years but even so his averages are still very comparable and better in some cases than Sandberg and Paul Molitor, both recent inductees. For the record he has 5 silver Slugger awards and 7 all star appearances whereas Molitor had 4 SS awards and 7 all star appearances. The only HOF 2nd baseman with more HR's is Hornsby, He has more RBI's than Sandberg, Carew, Morgan and Robinson. He slg% is higher than Morgan, FRisch, Carew, and Collins. He has more runs than any of them. He has the 6th most 2b's in the history of MLB. He also leads the MLB in history in HBP. He stole more bases than all the other HOF 2nd baseman except for Morgan, Collins and Frisch and he is only 5 behind him. The only HOF 2nd basemen with more hits are Lajoie, Collins and Carew who he should catch this season.

Need more?

Damn Cannon I am IMPRESSED!!!

After reading your posts recently on NBA draft, MLB, NFL I am calling ESPN. You gotta go heads up against Howie Schwab (The Swabbie)...you'd kick his ass!!! You up for it?

I know this guy personally as he was one of our student press SID's while he attended college. Gave him plenty of scoops...not ice cream in case you looked at his waistline. We've kept in touch for years...here's a photo of him last year running onto our court for opening night madness as announcer!

UP URS...

See bold above... for things Craig Biggio ain't!

I miss Stump the Schwab

espn classic 6PM each nite:D

THANKS!

Yea,I sure do need more.If he wasn't chalk white,there is no way you people are putting this guy in.These are almost all time-based accomplishments.He has more "this and that" than others cuz he played a long time. Now I say you need to put more deserving talented players in(not some guy who is just a good clean conservative who played for Houston forever.)


http://mlb.mlb.com/stats/historical/...Locator=garvey

There are atleast 7 years where this guy hit over .300,and 6 out of 7 years he had over 200 hits.BIGGIO ISN'T GUNNA EVER DO THAT,AND IT'S BECAUSE HE IS NOT AS GOOD.I actually have nothing against Biggio as a person,but I don't think he should go in if this guy ain't going in first.PERIOD.

http://mlb.mlb.com/stats/individual_...987&statType=1

Go right ahead and let your b.s. flow,but this guy is not as good a player as Garvey was.It's a pathetic popularity contest.He is gunna die with a ring.Biggio isn't ever gunna get one(and he had his chance,and didn't get it done.)So stick that where it don't shine.

Garvey again? What is the obsession with Garvey? Buckner was a better player and noone is calling for him to make the Hall.

The funny thing about your argument (?)/rant is that Biggio played one more year than Garvey yet has scored 700 more runs! hit 200 more doubles, 15 MORE HR's!!!, has 600 more walks, 300+ more stolen bases, has a 30 point advantage in OBP! Want more...Biggio is the alltime NL leader with leadoff HR's with 50, 2nd all time to Rickey, he is 25th on the alltime list of extrabase hits, is on his way to his 14th season with 30 or more doubles which is a alltime record...

Biggio is so much more deserving than Garvey it is a joke. He will be getting a plaque, Garvey will need to buy a ticket to get in

GARVEY has almost 2 thousand less at bats,but somehow BIGGIO is not even that close in RBI TOTAL. That's what I am talkin' bout here.Garvey took care of business.

GARVEY'S RBI=1308
VERSUS BIGGIO'S 1152...keep getting another 700-800 at bats and maybe you equal the amount of runs this man knocked in.

Thank you, Chuck :) ...enough said!

YOU LEFT OUT THE fact that Biggio has a 700 lead in number of times he has struck out(1700 versus 1000 for Garvey.)Just remember that in your head when you keep saying he is sooooo much better than Garvey.You're pushin' a whiffer.

Biggio batted leadoff while Garvey batted 3rd to 5th. The fact that Garvey only has 150 more RBI's while playing a corner infield position on good teams is actually another point in Biggios favor. You act like Garvey did not have a long career. He played for a long time and did not really have great numbers for a 1st baseman. You could make a strong case for him being the 40th best 1st baseman of all time while Biggio is clearly a top 10 at his position, while also spending time at Catcher which noone is baseball history ever has done.

Biggio gets on base more, has much more speed, scored a tremendous amount more runs, was a better doubles hitter, triples hitter, as good a power hitter, played gold glove defense at a tougher position, etc.

The only thing Garvey did better was strike out less. Plus Garvey is much more likely to wear a dress in public.

Garvey vs. Biggio
 

Rather strange comparison... different position, different type player

Garvey was the original Shawn Kemp! How many different women did he impregnate during SAME TIME PERIOD?

Garvey was joke during his era and does not deserve mention in same breath as Biggio. More interesting comparison... Garvey vs. Bagwell. To paraphrase earlier posting by someone else here, Garvey will have to buy ticket to get into Cooperstown.

Make up your mind...If he is a lead off hitter,then how does he have 700 more strikeouts than Garvey? Garvey hit for better average,has 700 less strike outs,and almost 200 more RBI.HOW CAN HE HAVE 700 MORE strike outs,and no seasons of 90 or above RBI? GARVEY had 106,110,111,113,and 115 seasons,and managed to do it with 700 less strike outs.Garvey is still way ahead in sacrifice flies.This guy was getting it done.I know exactly how good he was.There is no question he carried those L.A. Teams.They were not great offensive teams.Certainly not the 70's teams.We had to have Manny Mota bloop pinch hits into right field to win pitching duels.Garvey was the only reliable bat,and went forever without missing a game.That guy should be in that Hall.That much I know.You want ta put this punchin' Julie in, then do it after this guy gets in.

Your lead-off type hitter has one season of 200 or more hits.Meanwhile,the Guy who doesn't get to go in the HALL was doing this:

1974 200 hits
1975 210 hits
1976 200 hits
1977 192 hits
1978 202 hits
1979 204 hits
1980 200 hits

I was there.I saw this go down.It wasn't smoke n' mirrors.This guy was gettin' it done on that f'n scoreboard.Those were meaningful hits.Not like Pierre's.His RBI Total would be a lot more,but they were not good offensive teams.

You got me on this one. Garvey was way better at Sacrifice Flies. No one is saying that Garvey wasn't a bad player and if he had put the numbers he put up at second base he may be a fringe canidate but he pales in comparison to other 1st baseman while Biggio is a top player at his position. What is so hard to understand about that? Garvey was a top player at his position in his league for about 6 years and was pretty average for about 12. Biggio was a top player at his position for about 14 years and was pretty average for about 5. Simply Garvey was no where as good at doing the things he needed to do at his position as Biggio was at his. Period.

From 1974 to 1980 with the exception of 1976, Garvey was a very good player. But before that and after that he was very average. He may have been hampered by playing in Dodger stadium but no more so than Biggio was playing in the Astrodome. 6 good years are just not enough to get a guy into the Hall. He is not as good as Jim Rice or Andre Dawson neither of which is in the Hall.

Outside of you, Steve, Cindy and the 23 kids there is no one that thinks that Steve Garvey should be in the Hall of Fame. If he had played in Texas, you would have forgotten his name 10 years ago.

The guy doesn't have any stats that are good enough to be in the Hall.He has stats showing some high quantities of certain things,but they are not incredible (if you simply look at how many at bats he has taken.)If you're gunna get a boner over him getting 3000 hits,then you have to be willing to also weigh in the fact that he will most likely finish his career with a sub .280 batting average,and well over 1700 whiffs at the plate.When you see people refusing to weigh negatives(those are 2 big negatives) with the positives,then you need to figure out why it is that he would get into the hall over 3 less popular players (with better stats.)Yes,Garvey is white,but he is seen as a womanizer with a huge ego.People don't like that,and that turns this whole thing into a popularity contest.People would rather put in the white guy from Houston who played very hard for a long time,and was a good citizen.He played on a team that was known for being as white as they could get it (without having an official "white is right" policy.) He hits all the buttons for a simple white conservative thinker.Even though he will go in the Hall hitting .278.He makes them feel all warm n' fuzzy/teary-eyed.This is very much a race-based Hall of Fame candidacy.After all,he is still playing because he is hard-working white guy,and from a very conservative city.He is long past his prime,and they keep playing him even though he is usually hitting .230-.250. That's how a guy with decayed skills gets to 3000 hits.

As usual you ignore the facts and use twisted logic to make a futile argument. I have shown you the statistical evidence that shows that Biggio clearly has the credentials to be in the Hall of Fame by comparing him to OTHER HALL OF FAME SECOND BASEMAN!!! He absolutely stacks up on both peak efficency and longetivity. He not only has the stats he is a good citizen which is nothing but icing on the cake.

Did you happen to miss this post? Do you think I made these numbers up? Or should we say that most of these guys should come out of the Hall because a white guy who people liked had as good a numbers as they did? Or should we throw out Ruth, Cobb and all the other players who played in an era where there were no black or hispanic players? Try to look at the attributes the guy has without bias. Look at his numbers stacked up against the standard for a hall of fame second baseman. He absolutely meets the standard.

By the way writers would have liked Garvey a lot more as a canidate if he had played at the highest level for about 4 more years instead of fading into an ordinary player. A first baseman who hits 280 Hr's with a .290 batting average has no shot to get into the Hall. Compare him to other Hall of Fame first baseman and tell me how in the world you think he fits?

I answered this post previously.He has been allowed to hang around even though he can't produce well anymore.Then you want to use the quantities of things(over the qualities of things.)Fact is that he has been allowed to keep playing(and get certain benchmark quantities) because he is a loyal white guy on a very white team.

None of which has anything to do with the fact that he deserves to be and will be in the Hall of Fame. Should Micheal Jordan not be in the Hall of Fame because he stunk his last few years? Should we kick Steve Carlton out because he was no good his last few years? Does Greg Maddox not deserve to be in because he has been very mediocre the last few years?

1st you guys say that 3000 hits is the reason he should go in(only 27 guys etc.)Then,you say his last 3-5 years shouldn't be held against him.So,he gets credit for hitting 3000 hits,but you don't want it held against him that he was hitting at a poor average while doing it(meaning he will possibly go in the hall hitting lifetime sub .280.)No matter how ya turn the ball (to make it look good,) he is short on talent.I don't think he is anywhere near as deserving as the guys Chuck mentioned(who he is saying tailed off late.)It's not like Biggio had multiple 200+ hit seasons before he started hitting a low average.I don't think race is B.S. in this situation.I think it's a big part of why he has been allowed to keep playing on this team.I don't think he would be doing this if he wasn't white.I don't think he would be on the team,and if he was, then they would have replaced him when his performance started dropping off. Team has struggled for years offensively,but they are too stubborn to reload.