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pgardn 06-21-2007 09:49 AM

When Bonds breaks the record
 
or ties the record...

For the folks who are more in tune with baseball.

What will happen as far as festivities if this happens in games away from SF?

ex. Would they stop the game if he hit his tying or breaking HR in Atlanta or Milw.?

What are the away stadiums (clubs) going to do if the event occurs on their field?

And will he get the heck booed out of him, or standing O or what?

whodey17 06-21-2007 10:02 AM

I don't think the public really cares. I am sure each stadium will announce it on their jumbo-tron. The host stadium will plan nothing. The crowd will stand-up and clap. But for the most part, I don't think people really care.

pgardn 06-21-2007 10:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whodey17
I don't think the public really cares. I am sure each stadium will announce it on their jumbo-tron. The host stadium will plan nothing. The crowd will stand-up and clap. But for the most part, I don't think people really care.

Will they stop the game with a small ceremony? Or just stop the game? Or just jumo tron it and there is not even a delay? And Barry does not even doff his cap.

whodey17 06-21-2007 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by pgardn
Will they stop the game with a small ceremony? Or just stop the game? Or just jumo tron it and there is not even a delay? And Barry does not even doff his cap.

I think the host stadium will stop the game. The players will come onto the field and hug him. Barry will salute the fans. In other stadiums they will announce it and play the HR but they will not stop the game. Might be different if it happens in San Fran.

pdrift1 06-21-2007 10:42 AM

as long as bud shows up, i could care less what they do.for the better of the game he needs to acknowledge this at the least and then let the fans and history take care of the rest. no way do you want mlb to turn thier back on the greatest record in sports. as baseball fans we need to put this era behind us and accept it and judge it as we do all records. mlb has as much to do with this getting this far as barry did. barry take steroids -sure he most likely did. did baseball know this was going on- of course they did. now hanks a different story, i don't think he needs to be there but the commish does.

pdrift1 06-21-2007 10:50 AM

if he breaks it outside of san fran , he will get his fair share of boos but i think most will applaud him because this guy had hof credentials before this. even tho steroids helped his cause later -he still was a 5 tool player who is one of the best in the game. even if you like him or not

pgardn 06-21-2007 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by pdrift1
as long as bud shows up, i could care less what they do.for the better of the game he needs to acknowledge this at the least and then let the fans and history take care of the rest. no way do you want mlb to turn thier back on the greatest record in sports. as baseball fans we need to put this era behind us and accept it and judge it as we do all records. mlb has as much to do with this getting this far as barry did. barry take steroids -sure he most likely did. did baseball know this was going on- of course they did. now hanks a different story, i don't think he needs to be there but the commish does.

Bud has decided he is not going...? I thought. It has been reported that Aaron is definitely not going.

pdrift1 06-21-2007 10:57 AM

i know hank isn't for sure but i think bud is still out to lunch on this one yet and hasn't commented for sure but could be wrong. havn't heard anything at least. if he has said no he should seriously reconsider.

pdrift1 06-21-2007 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Bababooyee
The increasing number stories, reports, etc as he gets closer and closer is going to be intolerable. But maybe I will get more work around the house done when I ban ESPN for a few weeks.

i agree sensory overload, and i to will stay away until he gets to the at bat that will break it. then i will watch

Danzig 06-21-2007 11:20 AM

i guess there's no chance of him being intentionally walked for the rest of his career...

Coach Pants 06-21-2007 11:29 AM

Seems like Bonds is the one shouldering the blame for the steroids problem in baseball. Fact is the guy is a hall of famer regardless. He was one of the top players when he was a string bean.

pgardn 06-21-2007 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Pillow Pants
Seems like Bonds is the one shouldering the blame for the steroids problem in baseball. Fact is the guy is a hall of famer regardless. He was one of the top players when he was a string bean.

Yes he was. And he is taking the bulk of the criticism because he is about to break a sacred record held by a man that is held in very high respect. And he may have lied in front of a federal grand jury. Thats not done yet.

What do you think Pillow. What kind of reception away from SF? Especially in Atlanta or Milw. (now home of kids attacking cars cause it summertime, the police just love it when the kids are out of school.)

Coach Pants 06-21-2007 11:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pgardn
Yes he was. And he is taking the bulk of the criticism because he is about to break a sacred record held by a man that is held in very high respect. And he may have lied in front of a federal grand jury. Thats not done yet.

What do you think Pillow. What kind of reception away from SF? Especially in Atlanta or Milw. (now home of kids attacking cars cause it summertime, the police just love it when the kids are out of school.)

Will there be enough fans at the game in Atlanta to boo loud enough so Barry can hear it? :D

Milwaukee..eh don't know much about their crowd.

I really don't care about the record to tell you the truth. The record that is tops in my book for hitters is rbi's. And Barry's not getting that one.

pdrift1 06-21-2007 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig
i guess there's no chance of him being intentionally walked for the rest of his career...

nope those days are passed. he cant turn on the inside pitch like he used to. still baffles me when some managers still walk him . i can see it if the situation dictates it and what type of control or stuff your pitcher has at that momment. but otherwise go after him

pdrift1 06-21-2007 12:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pillow Pants
Seems like Bonds is the one shouldering the blame for the steroids problem in baseball. Fact is the guy is a hall of famer regardless. He was one of the top players when he was a string bean.

pillow its a damn witchhunt is what it is!!!!!

pdrift1 06-21-2007 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Pillow Pants
Will there be enough fans at the game in Atlanta to boo loud enough so Barry can hear it? :D

Milwaukee..eh don't know much about their crowd.

I really don't care about the record to tell you the truth. The record that is tops in my book for hitters is rbi's. And Barry's not getting that one.

he will get booed here in milwaukee also, but i expect the fans who know anything about his career will not.

ninetoone 06-21-2007 02:45 PM

If the record happens on the road, a real fan throws that shiat back on the field :D

SentToStud 06-21-2007 02:59 PM

Bonds has gone up two full shoe sizes since he was 30.

He's a shoe-in for the HoF.

ELA 06-21-2007 03:41 PM

Having Bud Selig show up, and having him, and the rest of baseball acknowledge this record being broken as if it were "clean" and "kosher" -- in my mind doesn't solve any problem. It compounds it. This doesn't put the tainted days of MLB behind us -- it traps us inside of it. At least that is the way I feel.

I think there needs to be a drastic shift in how this entire situation is being handled. The investigation(s) are a joke, owners are not being forced to address the problem and deal with it head on, and players are not being put in a position where they suffer the consequences of tainting America's pastime.

I have several retired MLB players as clients, and as friends. A few of them are in the 500 HR Club. You should listen to their passion and disgust when they talk about the game they once played and will forever love. Not that all of them are angels or hollier than thou, but I think the game needs to stop perpetuating status quo.

Eric

Storm Cadet 06-21-2007 04:08 PM

Isn't it amazing that Barry Bonds is the one player who truly lives up to this sports company name and is not one of their items for sale?


pdrift1 06-21-2007 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by ELA
Having Bud Selig show up, and having him, and the rest of baseball acknowledge this record being broken as if it were "clean" and "kosher" -- in my mind doesn't solve any problem. It compounds it. This doesn't put the tainted days of MLB behind us -- it traps us inside of it. At least that is the way I feel.

I think there needs to be a drastic shift in how this entire situation is being handled. The investigation(s) are a joke, owners are not being forced to address the problem and deal with it head on, and players are not being put in a position where they suffer the consequences of tainting America's pastime.

I have several retired MLB players as clients, and as friends. A few of them are in the 500 HR Club. You should listen to their passion and disgust when they talk about the game they once played and will forever love. Not that all of them are angels or hollier than thou, but I think the game needs to stop perpetuating status quo.

Eric

well i'll tell you this, there is only so much that is going to be done -us fans likeing it or not. i think youve seen just about all your going to see. i believe he does have to show up and acknowledge this most important event , and record.until we prove otherwise we let history sort it out. it was a era that was bad for baseball but part of baseball's history. as a fan if you keep holding on to it, it will ruin the game for you. must accept the fact we have new guidelines and we must impose them. if you get caught you get the boot from now on- whats done is done. we had the era of spitballs,and later after years of being banned i'm sure some would question gaylord perry etc. i feel just as bad that hank aaron's record will go down. and will always incoperate this into my thinking. he will still be the all time hr leader to me.i couldn't agree more with the old timers being upset, i would be also.i think by showing up doesnt mean its kosher, but unless you can prove it it won't help by turning a blind eye to his accomplishments either. like i said its going in the books as barry bonds all time hr leader - like it or not. whats done is done and no matter what happens thier will always be questions. time and history are the only things that will sort this out. don't let it ruin the game for you.we start anew. thats how i'm going to deal with it. i love this game and am not going to let this record and its outcome make me sit at a game and be suspicious of everone and question everything and get so cynical that i start to hate it. we will always have baseball-it may not be the most popular sport but its the most important.

pdrift1 06-21-2007 09:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ELA
Having Bud Selig show up, and having him, and the rest of baseball acknowledge this record being broken as if it were "clean" and "kosher" -- in my mind doesn't solve any problem. It compounds it. This doesn't put the tainted days of MLB behind us -- it traps us inside of it. At least that is the way I feel.

I think there needs to be a drastic shift in how this entire situation is being handled. The investigation(s) are a joke, owners are not being forced to address the problem and deal with it head on, and players are not being put in a position where they suffer the consequences of tainting America's pastime.

I have several retired MLB players as clients, and as friends. A few of them are in the 500 HR Club. You should listen to their passion and disgust when they talk about the game they once played and will forever love. Not that all of them are angels or hollier than thou, but I think the game needs to stop perpetuating status quo.

Eric

if i can still love horseracing and live with the cheating in this game (tho i wish they could clean it up) i can deal with a era in baseball also. heck by now i should be thinking this sport is a joke, but i'm not going to let some bad apples take it away from me.so we should sit and acknowledge todd pletcher for a eclipse award for best trainer- while he accepts it and is out on suspension at the same time. no -but there is nothing we are going to do about

timmgirvan 06-21-2007 09:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ELA
Having Bud Selig show up, and having him, and the rest of baseball acknowledge this record being broken as if it were "clean" and "kosher" -- in my mind doesn't solve any problem. It compounds it. This doesn't put the tainted days of MLB behind us -- it traps us inside of it. At least that is the way I feel.

I think there needs to be a drastic shift in how this entire situation is being handled. The investigation(s) are a joke, owners are not being forced to address the problem and deal with it head on, and players are not being put in a position where they suffer the consequences of tainting America's pastime.

I have several retired MLB players as clients, and as friends. A few of them are in the 500 HR Club. You should listen to their passion and disgust when they talk about the game they once played and will forever love. Not that all of them are angels or hollier than thou, but I think the game needs to stop perpetuating status quo.

Eric

I really don't want to rehash the tainted era debate,but if 85% of MLB was taking "greenies" during the 80's,then the talk of steriods and Mitchells hearings should have started in a diffrent direction! How pervasive was the steriods problem?...I'll add that if the Mets' clubhouse boy was correct about wholesale use,then the whole 'crime and punishment thing' should just sit down and shut up! McGuire has the Creatine and Andro in his locker in plain sight..they were OTC so why would he think it was illegal? Sosa is self-serving, to be sure...but his bats in Cooperstown were checked for cork and came up clean. He's doing well this year,so? Bonds is in his own world,granted, and whatever Greg Anderson gave him(knowingly or not) had nothing to do with hand/eye coordination....the guy has the sweetest swing on earth(Griffey Jr #2). Bonds was and still is a workout freak(5-6hrs a day) offseason. After having said all that....MLB apparently had implicit consent to what went on in the past, and IT needs to do what it can to repair the Sport!

hoovesupsideyourhead 06-21-2007 09:44 PM

*.......next to any record

ELA 06-21-2007 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by pdrift1
well i'll tell you this, there is only so much that is going to be done -us fans likeing it or not. i think youve seen just about all your going to see. i believe he does have to show up and acknowledge this most important event , and record.until we prove otherwise we let history sort it out. it was a era that was bad for baseball but part of baseball's history. as a fan if you keep holding on to it, it will ruin the game for you. must accept the fact we have new guidelines and we must impose them. if you get caught you get the boot from now on- whats done is done. we had the era of spitballs,and later after years of being banned i'm sure some would question gaylord perry etc. i feel just as bad that hank aaron's record will go down. and will always incoperate this into my thinking. he will still be the all time hr leader to me.i couldn't agree more with the old timers being upset, i would be also.i think by showing up doesnt mean its kosher, but unless you can prove it it won't help by turning a blind eye to his accomplishments either. like i said its going in the books as barry bonds all time hr leader - like it or not. whats done is done and no matter what happens thier will always be questions. time and history are the only things that will sort this out. don't let it ruin the game for you.we start anew. thats how i'm going to deal with it. i love this game and am not going to let this record and its outcome make me sit at a game and be suspicious of everone and question everything and get so cynical that i start to hate it. we will always have baseball-it may not be the most popular sport but its the most important.

I understand your point. However, I don't think it's a question of like it or not. We are talking about the alleged regulatory body and their corporate governance -- or in this case, lack thereof. I accept that this record will be broken, and it will be acknowledged -- in the record books and as part of history. However, in my eyes, to acknowledge this as some sort of great accomplishment where it should memorialized as "absolute" -- that is just as wrong as the complete lack of governance I referred to.

In my mind, Bud Selig needs to take a stand and make a very clear statement -- right here and right now, and very different than the statement that has been put forth in the past. You cannot convene an investigation, stand up and say you are going to clean up the game, and enforce a set of rules, put the game on trial in front of a Congressional committee, and then not give the entire process validity. Well, actually you can do that -- however, by doing that you have made your statement, and it is a very bad one.

Let Bud Selig stand up and restore credibility and integrity to the process and the game. It won't happen, but I think that is what's neccessary.

Eric

ELA 06-21-2007 10:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by timmgirvan
I really don't want to rehash the tainted era debate,but if 85% of MLB was taking "greenies" during the 80's,then the talk of steriods and Mitchells hearings should have started in a diffrent direction! How pervasive was the steriods problem?...I'll add that if the Mets' clubhouse boy was correct about wholesale use,then the whole 'crime and punishment thing' should just sit down and shut up! McGuire has the Creatine and Andro in his locker in plain sight..they were OTC so why would he think it was illegal? Sosa is self-serving, to be sure...but his bats in Cooperstown were checked for cork and came up clean. He's doing well this year,so? Bonds is in his own world,granted, and whatever Greg Anderson gave him(knowingly or not) had nothing to do with hand/eye coordination....the guy has the sweetest swing on earth(Griffey Jr #2). Bonds was and still is a workout freak(5-6hrs a day) offseason. After having said all that....MLB apparently had implicit consent to what went on in the past, and IT needs to do what it can to repair the Sport!

I think your closing statement says it all -- excellent point.

I guess it just becomes what each person thinks MLB needs to do. Everyone's standards and "repair" points are going to be different.

Eric

Coach Pants 06-21-2007 10:47 PM

It's too late for MLB to do anything. They had their chance years ago and they've known about the steroids for a long time. They chose to overlook it while the sport recovered from the strike. To do anything now would be hypocritical on their part.

timmgirvan 06-21-2007 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Pillow Pants
It's too late for MLB to do anything. They had their chance years ago and they've known about the steroids for a long time. They chose to overlook it while the sport recovered from the strike. To do anything now would be hypocritical on their part.

Pillow: how can that be? To do nothing about the past relegates the last 30 yrs to suspicion, and does not build a trust for the future for the fanbase! They have to deal with the past,put controls in place, and move on...

pdrift1 06-22-2007 01:52 AM

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Originally Posted by timmgirvan
Pillow: how can that be? To do nothing about the past relegates the last 30 yrs to suspicion, and does not build a trust for the future for the fanbase! They have to deal with the past,put controls in place, and move on...

but the thing is eric, when you look at the game of baseball you can take that 30 years and add another 100+ years to it and you have suspicion thruout that whole time period. we could set here and question countless # of fixed games that i'm sure made a impact in the early 20th century on the standings with the black sox of 1919 being in the forefront of them all.and yes they kicked them out of baseball, but the reds are still the ws champs of 1919. it got taken care of and baseball moved on

to spitballs and doctering balls, to the giants and dodgers championship "shot heard around the world game" when the giants might have stold signs with binoculers and used lights from the outfield scoreboard to win that game. and it is true they did steal signs in the regular season just to get to that game. admitted by some of thier own players.but we still marvel at that game as one of the greatest. to corked bats and to even cheating today in one sense but still legal by stealing of signs by the runner on 2nd getting them from the catcher.

as wrong as we want to make it ,cheating has been apart of baseball from the begining, unlike any other sport. the old saying"if you aint cheating you ain't trying" is what some baseball players lived by and still do . from hal chase to albert belles corked bat and sending a player to sneak in the umps room to switch it

like pillow said its to late, the damage is done and your right to put the controls in place right now and move on. it could be never ending, i can sit here and question how many games when barry hit a hr did it help or give the giants a win. did the giants deserve to play the angels in the world series? we would have to assume the team the giants beat in the nl championship game got cheated.given barrys post season record was awful before that world series year but that year he had big hits and played a big part in thier wins to get to the ws.

i think we have to just let the past go and put it in perspective like when maris broke ruths hr single season record. maris hit 61 in 162 games compared to ruths 60 in 154. well who actually was the single season hr leader? was it fair to ruth that maris got 8 extra games, since thay changed the amount of games played? we can find faults with the game wherever we try to look. smaller ballparks now can we still compare them as equal?

i think for us older fans we know what went on and will know the truth and by putting in the controls now will still save the respect of the game for the future and its fans. baseball turned away, it was made illegal in the 80's but they never tested for it, so who is to blame, i think mlb carrys just as much the load as does the players. and in sports they are all looking for a edge.


i agree with you that we need trust but it really is to late in this situation , no use trying to rectify the past, the games have been played and recorded ,bonds hr's will not only count in the grand total but also in the box scores forever. we do need to put controls in place which have been done, though we can debate wether they are strong enuff? and move on, which is what i choose to do.but mlb and its governing body has blown it already,we deal with the past by showing we are controling it now.

dealing with the past will leave still to many unanswered questions in itself. if we don't give barry the title we will still think as fans well maybe he was just that good and wonder ? to hit the ball has nothing to do with steroids,the steroids will give you the amount of power behind it and may give you the home run but barry was cracking these way before this in pittsburgh, mabye the steroids did make the ball travel farther but a hr is a hr wether its a foot over the fence or 80 feet over. barry i believe would have got alot of those over just at a shorter distance but we will never know for sure. we will always question.

but i understand your point and what you would like to see done and if i thought it would matter i'd be for it . but i just dont think its in the best intrest of baseball when the commish won't show up, cause that also says that the last 30 years is a farce also and we will all still think the same way. time will take care of this , i honestly believe baseball will always have its fans, there is something about this sport unlike the rest, its rich history and mlb taking care of the situation now that will allow it to still be americas national pastime no matter what the other sports and thier fans may think. thru it all so far baseball is alive and thriving with attendence at its highest ever, even before the strike in 94. the steroid issue is not going to hurt this sport if mlb takes care of the situation now

Nascar1966 06-24-2007 09:49 AM

When Bonds breaks the record it will go in the who gives a sh!t category. Bonds is one of the biggest disgraces to baseball and sports in general. Hopefully someone breaks his arm with a pitch. When he breaks it shouldn't get recognized because he is one of the biggest if not biggest cheater in baseball. Hopefully he breaks the record on the road and there is no ceremony. If it was my stadium I wouldn't do anything for him.


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