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pgardn 05-27-2007 10:52 AM

Met Mile
 
This looks like a heck of an interesting race. Dutrow has his rabbit, we got that horse from Japan, Lawyer Ron now under Pletcher. This should be entertaining. Suprised no one has talked about this... or did I miss the thread?

Rileyoriley 05-27-2007 12:21 PM

I'm rooting for Silent Name however I think Lawyer Ron has been pointing for this. I think his connections want him to retire with a big grade 1 win.

hockey2315 05-27-2007 12:29 PM

Lawyer Ron is nothing special in my opinion. . . I like Silent Name, Corinthian, and Half Ours- all prices and all very good horses. . .

pgardn 05-27-2007 12:50 PM

I am suprised I have not heard more, as this looks to be very interesting on paper. I will be interested to see how well Silent Name performs. Sun King is back... Latent Heat...

cmorioles 05-27-2007 01:00 PM

The "rabbit" is comical. This horse will be lucky to even sniff the lead in the Met.

Anyone remember when Strike the Gold's rabbit Loach could get no closer than 3rd or 4th early in one of his races?

ArlJim78 05-27-2007 01:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cmorioles
The "rabbit" is comical. This horse will be lucky to even sniff the lead in the Met.

Anyone remember when Strike the Gold's rabbit Loach could get no closer than 3rd or 4th early in one of his races?

whats comical is sometimes when you see the "rabbit" getting outrun early by stablemate that he is supposedly setting the hot pace for.

snowdrops 05-27-2007 01:19 PM

SUN KING!!!!!!

And yeah, I'm a touch excited :P.

Katy

stonegossard 05-27-2007 01:22 PM

I think tommorrow is the day to finally get Sun King his grade I.

I am hoping that Contessa runs AccountForTheGold. There is a ton of speed in the race.

Silver Wagon is 0-everything going a mile and at Belmont. Dont like him.

Gonna use SK with Corinthian...Political Force....maybe use Lawyer ron for third in tris.

tycharles01 05-27-2007 01:27 PM

Well cant be worse than last year rabbit!! ICY ATLANTIC

They get him for EC, then runs like a 1 min half mile.
Then they decide he can actually run and decide to run him like a real race horse

The Bid 05-27-2007 04:20 PM

Lawyer Ron is a monster

King Glorious 05-27-2007 04:28 PM

This looks like a good race with horses like Lawyer Ron, Half Ours, Silent Name and Latent Heat running. Even Corinthian looks ok.

Downthestretch55 05-27-2007 05:13 PM

Corinthian with a 10/1 ml is a gift. My "birdy" told me he's training well.
Ex box him with Lawyer Ron and put Silent Name and Silver Wagon under for the tri.
Good racing luck! Jimmy J....you deserve this one.

NTamm1215 05-27-2007 05:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cmorioles
The "rabbit" is comical. This horse will be lucky to even sniff the lead in the Met.

Anyone remember when Strike the Gold's rabbit Loach could get no closer than 3rd or 4th early in one of his races?

So then you must think Latent Heat outsprints him early? I'm getting a feeling that Frankel knows Bejarano has to grab a hold of him early in order to get the mile. Half Ours and Accountforthegold coming off route races probably won't get involved in a sub-45 half. I think the rabbit should be able to get pretty close to the lead, if not grab it outright, considering that's his only purpose.

I often try to find a closer who could benefit from the "rabbit" other than the one he's meant for. Sun King applies to that idea perfectly. I think he's a major player tomorrow. However, should Prado be able to stalk just behind the projected hot pace Lawyer Ron will be very, very tough.

Terrific race all in all.

NT

The Indomitable DrugS 05-27-2007 05:47 PM

The rabbit is coming out of a very slow paced sprint----however, they put a three furlong work in him yesterday...and he has shown real sprint speed in races on the go back...I'd assume he's fast enough to make the lead as well.

cmorioles 05-27-2007 05:50 PM

I guess he could make the lead, but I doubt any of the other horses will pay any attention to him. Pretty much any horse in the field can be ahead of him after 1/2 mile if the rider so chooses.

ateamstupid 05-27-2007 05:57 PM

I'll be at Belmont tomorrow for one of the coolest races of the year, and can't wait. The field looks great (although I haven't 'capped it yet), weather looks great, carryover looks interesting. Should be a good time.

10 pnt move up 05-27-2007 06:46 PM

so with all the banter, sun king opens at 5/2?

Isnt Latent Heat going to be the value in this race?

NTamm1215 05-27-2007 07:04 PM

Personally I've never been a Latent Heat fan, as I thought he was not the best horse in the San Carlos and only won because of a terrible ride on Proud Tower Too. The track that day was also very speed favoring and the rail was outstanding. He ran a pretty brave race in the Carter, dueling through extremely fast fractions before tiring late. He's a threat with a nice trip, but I don't know if he can hold the late runners off in the stretch here. I just can't back him with confidence at a mile.

I think Corinthian is going to get some bad money in here off of the no chance trip in the Excelsior. His two wins at Gulfstream both earned decent figures, but I was extremely un-impressed by the Gulfstream Park Handicap. The workout last Monday was scorching so he's probably fit, but I'd need 12 or 15-1 to take a chance.

Silent Name may be another who takes a bunch of money off the impressive Polytrack win, but the Commonwealth field was a berry patch compared to this field. For all the depth in the race I think it could end up being a ho-hum chalky finish with Lawyer Ron, Sun King, and Silver Wagon slugging it out.

Good luck to all playing.

NT

Bobby Fischer 05-27-2007 07:30 PM

this race didn't turn out all that great.

I was going to look at what kind of odds Chatain got, He was forced to rate in that Ben Ali (which was either an idiotic entry or a brilliant prep or BOTH ).. hes out

Dutrow has the fastest horse in his barn and the best horse in his barn. The speedball can run 2nd or 3rd as long as he presses the pace. I don't really like to call Silver Wagon a grade 1 animal but he has a very good opportunity in this one.

Corinthian is a pretty good animal but his real strength is 9 or 10f races getting first jump on his competition, which he is able to carry for a long drive. Its a running style, speed and stamina combo that is going to take a great ride(where does he start that long drive, and will he be in decent position early?) that I just don't expect to happen or be at full force at a mile.

Silent Name has the Danehill curse, this guy should be running in 6.5 downhill sprints at Santa Anita, not miles at Belmont. Out of the trifecta.

Half Ours is good but not great.

Latent Heat has a good chance of over-heating burning out the first 7 furlongs. Nice animal, running style will be hard to overcome.

Lawer Ron is a grade 2-3 animal who finally has been rating and building form, now he gets shortened up over his head :confused:

Sun King is a pretty good animal and Zito has good vibes. Should not be winning the Met Mile, but has a tiny chance to win and should run a decent race.

Political Force is one to watch on tape, my impression is that he isn't this fast and in way over his head , but his last race was faster and looked solid on form. It's possible he gets in the tri.

Danzig 05-27-2007 08:26 PM

i read that lawyer ron has never lost at a mile....but there's a first time for everything. looking forward to a good race. sun king finally get his?

robfla 05-27-2007 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig
i read that lawyer ron has never lost at a mile....


yes, he is 3 for 3. i like him, but that stat is distorted as his three 1 mile races are:

1.) Evangeline Downs - two turns?? 2 y.o. season
2.) Oaklawn Park - two turns?? beat the mighty steppenwolfer
3.) Gulfstream - one turn mile A/OC ..... ran last quarter in 24.3/5, with a 22 and change 2nd quarter

im using him sun king and half ours

Danzig 05-27-2007 08:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by robfla
yes, he is 3 for 3. i like him, but that stat is distorted as his three 1 mile races are:

1.) Evangeline Downs - two turns?? 2 y.o. season
2.) Oaklawn Park - two turns?? beat the mighty steppenwolfer
3.) Gulfstream - one turn mile A/OC ..... ran last quarter in 24.3/5, with a 22 and change 2nd quarter

im using him sun king and half ours

isn't there always more to the story?? that stat doesn't look so good after closer scrutiny...

2MinsToPost 05-27-2007 08:54 PM

Metro Mile - Latent Heat
 
What odds, in your eyes, would be a good value for this horse tomorrow?

Right now, in my humble opinion, is anything above 9/2.

What say you?

Also, do you toss Lawyer Ron in your multi race plays or include?

robfla 05-27-2007 08:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danzig
isn't there always more to the story?? that stat doesn't look so good after closer scrutiny...


sure there is more... the horse in now in the mighty pletcher barn and has learned how to rate... everyone knows the value of rating ( SWLY ).. is 10 wins in 13 tries on conventional dirt..stay tuned

dylbert 05-27-2007 09:00 PM

Lawyer Ron -- top choice
 
Lawyer Ron is really rounding into nice horse as 3YO. Pletcher is succeeding in training LR to use, not abuse, his tactical speed. I have seen LR run twice at LaD -- winning 2006 Risen Star and placing in 2006 Super Derby. He is very athletic, well-built horse. His breeding suggests that mile is possibly his best distance. His sire, Langfuhr, won this race as 5YO.

Lawyer Ron is my choice to win Met Mile tomorrow.

2MinsToPost 05-27-2007 09:01 PM

opps, their is an existing thread, sorry

Danzig 05-27-2007 09:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by robfla
sure there is more... the horse in now in the mighty pletcher barn and has learned how to rate... everyone knows the value of rating ( SWLY ).. is 10 wins in 13 tries on convetional dirt..stay tuned

that's true....but i was saying more to the story than the writer let on about where lawyer ron ran to get that mile winning streak.

i can see where he has improved since moving, will be interesting to see what happens from here if he wins, with the stonewall suit going on.

i know tracy farmer was talking about how horses are retired too quickly and he pointed to sun king as an example--but i can't help feeling that it's because sun king isn't by a fashionable sire, and hasn't won that elusive grade one....but i'm certainly glad he's still out there.

Pedigree Ann 05-27-2007 09:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hockey2315
Lawyer Ron is nothing special in my opinion. . . I like Silent Name, Corinthian, and Half Ours- all prices and all very good horses. . .

Silent Name - never run on real dirt

Corinthian - hasn't run a race around one turn since he was 2, hasn't had to deal with a pace faster than 47 & 3 (except in the race where he had an excuse and lost by 8 l.)

Half Ours - has run in only 2 graded races; won by a half over the world beater Park Avenue Ball (sarcasm intended) at 7f, beaten by Wanderin Boy at 8.5f (2 turns). Handicapping with sales prices?

pick4 05-27-2007 10:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pedigree Ann
Silent Name - never run on real dirt

Corinthian - hasn't run a race around one turn since he was 2, hasn't had to deal with a pace faster than 47 & 3 (except in the race where he had an excuse and lost by 8 l.)

Half Ours - has run in only 2 graded races; won by a half over the world beater Park Avenue Ball (sarcasm intended) at 7f, beaten by Wanderin Boy at 8.5f (2 turns). Handicapping with sales prices?


Silent Name has won a Grade 1 mile turf race. Plus he won on the front end on Polycrap in his last. Of course dirt is an unknown for him. At odds of 8-1 or above he's worth a shot. I think he is an interesting horse in this race.

pick4 05-27-2007 10:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dylbert
Lawyer Ron is really rounding into nice horse as 3YO. Pletcher is succeeding in training LR to use, not abuse, his tactical speed. I have seen LR run twice at LaD -- winning 2006 Risen Star and placing in 2006 Super Derby. He is very athletic, well-built horse. His breeding suggests that mile is possibly his best distance. His sire, Langfuhr, won this race as 5YO.

Lawyer Ron is my choice to win Met Mile tomorrow.

Can you find a race in his pp's where he did not have to confront a fast pace yet and was not fast enough to get the lead? I can find the Derby and BC Classic. This is a flat mile and I can't see him working out an easy trip here.
He'll have to run fast early, middle, and late. I think Lawyer Ron will crack under pressure.

I have it down to Sun King, and maybe Silent Name or Silver Wagon closing past the hot pace.

declansharbor 05-27-2007 10:18 PM

My super will be composed of such:

Political Force
Sun King
Latent Heat
Silent Name

Wheeling LH in top two postions.. PF as well

2Hot4TV 05-27-2007 10:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pick4
Silent Name has won a Grade 1 mile turf race. Plus he won on the front end on Polycrap in his last. Of course dirt is an unknown for him. At odds of 8-1 or above he's worth a shot. I think he is an interesting horse in this race.

Silent name is an instant toss for me, because he hasn't ran on dirt and his pedigree is grass. He hasn't been a real reliable to run back to back winning races. Silent name is not a contender in this race.

Look at Lawyer Ron and Account for the Gold.

hockey2315 05-27-2007 10:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pedigree Ann
Silent Name - never run on real dirt

Corinthian - hasn't run a race around one turn since he was 2, hasn't had to deal with a pace faster than 47 & 3 (except in the race where he had an excuse and lost by 8 l.)

Half Ours - has run in only 2 graded races; won by a half over the world beater Park Avenue Ball (sarcasm intended) at 7f, beaten by Wanderin Boy at 8.5f (2 turns). Handicapping with sales prices?

Thanks for enlightening me!!!

declansharbor 05-27-2007 10:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Account For The Gold???? I know it isn't wise to throw out anything Contessa sends out right now, but I'll be shocked if he isn't completing the last-second last exacta with Mr. Umphrey


A speed horse that is cutting back in distance is never to be overlooked, and you already mentioned the COntessa factor. It's tough to see him putting up the same number as last out, so I see a slight regression numbers wise. His last out, on the "easy" lead, wasn't as fast as it will be tomorrow. The fractions will be cut out more like his 3rd back when beaten as the heavy favorite. IMO

pick4 05-27-2007 10:45 PM

I understand your points about Silent Name and that is why I think we need at least 8-1 in order to bet him. But I've explained in past posts that the horse has class. He's won graded stakes on turf and polycrap. His sire was a pretty good horse and was a top sire in Japan. As a lonshot I think he should be included in the mix.

Accountforthegold is a nice horse on the inner dirt or a race where he can control the pace. If you think he's the uncontested controlling front runner you might hit the jackpot. I think he'll just add to the hot pace of this race. That hot pace will be Lawyer Ron's undoing. There will not be an easy slow pace to stalk or lead here the Lawyer Ron.

I believe this race sets up perfectly for Sun King. I think the pace will be demanding and I can see Sun King finally getting his Grade 1 win.

pick4 05-27-2007 10:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Account For The Gold???? I know it isn't wise to throw out anything Contessa sends out right now, but I'll be shocked if he isn't completing the last-second last exacta with Mr. Umphrey


The way NY racing is nowadays I agree with you but this time it is different.
This is the Met Mile. Accountforthegold lacks the class and quality to win this prestigious race.

blackthroatedwind 05-27-2007 10:51 PM

AccountfortheGold is more likely to be eased than win this race.

pgardn 05-27-2007 10:52 PM

Equibase has Mr. Ump at 3-1 M/L...
That has got to be a mistake.

Anyways I was looking at the Belmont card at Equibase and think I might actually get the PP's and cap it tonight and tomorrow morning and go place some bets at the track. I finally have a bit of time and I recognize some old names I might like to see again.


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