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Coach Pants 05-15-2007 12:35 PM

Rev. Falwell is dead
 
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18679412/

hoovesupsideyourhead 05-15-2007 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
I don't know if I'll be able to go on. Anyone like anything at Delaware today?

dont you blas feeme in here....lol....your betta think..think..blues bros,,

dellinger63 05-15-2007 01:14 PM

Sister Mary Stigmata already has the ruler out.

somerfrost 05-15-2007 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Pillow Pants


RIP...I didn't agree with his positions for the most part and I feel the philosophy he promoted was harmful to this nation but he was a man of principle and I will at least respect that.

hoovesupsideyourhead 05-15-2007 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by dellinger63
Sister Mary Stigmata already has the ruler out.

"the penguin"..and yes somer ill give him that.. a public religion figure who did not a) bilk his followers out of millions they dont have to give wile padding an absurd lifstyle
b) molest any alter boys
c) use the name rev as the call for reverse racial hatered...thus giving him the "outs" la jesse and al...........

somerfrost 05-15-2007 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead
"the penguin"..and yes somer ill give him that.. a public religion figure who did not a) bilk his followers out of millions they dont have to give wile padding an absurd lifstyle
b) molest any alter boys
c) use the name rev as the call for reverse racial hatered...thus giving him the "outs" la jesse and al...........

Well, he was consistant over the years, his remarks after 9-11 were..to me..shameful and his problems with gays destructive to the fabric of modern society. We do agree on abortion...although I wonder if repeal of Roe is the answer anymore. They had an interview that he did last week with C. Amanpour on CNN where he said that he was praying to his god for 20 more years of life...guess that didn't work out. I never take satisfaction at the end of a life, if he's right...he has a ticket to the christian heaven, if I'm right...he'll be back to try again.

somerfrost 05-15-2007 01:48 PM

And...it doesn't go unnoticed how some folks take any opportunity to slam Jesse Jackson. Not sure how that applies here but certainly not unexpected.

SentToStud 05-15-2007 02:16 PM

It's not public yey but I'm starting my own religous University.

The Sent 2 Stud College of Biblical Knowledge.

No altar boys. In fact, no altar. We'll be using strippers and a pole.

Signed,

Reverend Stud

p.s. RIP Rev Jerry. For good or bad, a man of determined principles.

somerfrost 05-15-2007 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Cardus
I don't think it is inappropriate to compare and contrast publicly visible "reverends."


"Inappropriate" is your word, not mine. I said "not sure it applies here".

somerfrost 05-15-2007 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
I think a few things about Falwell are important to discuss. First, Falwell was an outspoken supporter of apartheid. He also supported racial segregation early in his career and spoke out against MLK and the Civil Rights Movement. He released The Clinton Chronicles, the story of it is too long, but I suggest taking a look into some of the facts involved in the making of it and the aftermath.
Speaking of 9/11 Falwell said "I really believe that the pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People For the American Way, all of them who have tried to secularize America. I point the finger in their face and say 'you helped this happen." He later apologized.

His thoughts on homosexuals, "AIDS is the wrath of a just God against homosexuals." Nice. Real nice.

I guess it's good he didn't molest anyone, but excuse me if I don't give him credit for it.


All true! Besides abortion, I can't think of a single area of agreement that I have with him...perhaps if I looked closely, I'd find something.

hoovesupsideyourhead 05-15-2007 03:16 PM

he was a snappy dresser.lol

Coach Pants 05-15-2007 03:29 PM

I envy his healthy appetite for snacky...err old wives tales...err knowledge.

Downthestretch55 05-15-2007 03:38 PM

Of course my thoughts are for his family in their time of loss.

As for me...I won't miss him at all. He did his best, devoted his life, to misrepresent everything that Jesus was about.

I'd like to see what happens when he shows up in the "judgement seat" and he hears the words "I do not know you".

Elevator down, Jerry. Burn forever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ArlJim78 05-15-2007 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by somerfrost
And...it doesn't go unnoticed how some folks take any opportunity to slam Jesse Jackson. Not sure how that applies here but certainly not unexpected.

anytime is a good time to slam Jesse in my view.

hoovesupsideyourhead 05-15-2007 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by ArlJim78
anytime is a good time to slam Jesse in my view.

high five jim "slap"

Danzig 05-15-2007 04:18 PM

well, whenever someone put up a thread (such as the one about ford) i always was a bit bothered that someone would post critical thoughts in such a thread, and at such a time.

so i'll just say that i hope falwell finds peace in repose.

hoovesupsideyourhead 05-15-2007 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Cardus
Not "inappropriate" here means that I had no problem with hooves invoking Jackson's name in his post. The "reverse racial hatred" line was inappropriate, though. There is no such thing as "reverse racial hatred." The implication itself is racist.

ok its on now.........lol jessy is the krusty the clown of rev..and that makes al..side show bob.

Downthestretch55 05-15-2007 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
You're probably right, but like I said the other day, restraint has never been my strong suit. It was hypocritical of me to do this because I gave DTS some crap about what he said about Ford after his death.

Maybe I'm a bit coldhearted in not feeling bad when someone who obviously had some serious prejudices and hates, dies. He could have been a great guy to those who knew him, but I doubt it.

DaHoss,
It's ok. It really is. I got over it.
In all honesty, I've only known one good "Jerry". It wasn't a Ford, a Bailey, or a Fallwell.
It was my pet rat. He grew to be 18 inches long before he died of old age.
I miss him so much. The grave I dug for him was over eight feet deep.
Now...for the other Jerry graves....I'll have to drink a six-pack before I visit them and hope my bladder holds out until the last one is finished.
PIP (piss in peace)

brianwspencer 05-15-2007 06:51 PM

I don't rejoice over anyone dying, but I do hope that in coverage of his passing the news outlets will portray him for what he really was and the things he said and the things he stood for instead of painting him as a real nice guy.

I admire his discipline to stay true to what he believes, even if I found most of it disgusting.

ArlJim78 05-15-2007 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by brianwspencer
I don't rejoice over anyone dying, but I do hope that in coverage of his passing the news outlets will portray him for what he really was and the things he said and the things he stood for instead of painting him as a real nice guy.

I admire his discipline to stay true to what he believes, even if I found most of it disgusting.

my exact sentiments.

Scav 05-15-2007 07:47 PM

who was this clown?

GPK 05-15-2007 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav
who was this clown?


Founder of Liberty University in Lynchburg, VA

ArlJim78 05-15-2007 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav
who was this clown?

are you serious?

Danzig 05-15-2007 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Ever see The People vs. Larry Flynt? He was the guy who sued Larry Flynt for basically mocking him in an ad in Hustler.

wonder how falwell found out about that?? surely he wasn't a subscriber!

brianwspencer 05-15-2007 08:17 PM

I've been reading a lot about this tonight, interested in seeing how pro-LGBT groups would respond. It's hard, because like the passage I'm going to quote says, we don't like to speak ill of people when they pass. It doesn't lead me to take any joy in his passing, but it's so hard for me to reconcile my feelings of sympathy for his family with my knowledge of his extreme intolerance and hateful words including the fact that I am personally responsible for 9/11. I guess it's going to be a strange tightrope to walk in dealing with the passing of a public figure who to many was a direct line to Jesus, who at the same time I think was a terrible, hateful follower of Jesus who had warped Christ's message in so many unintelligible circles that it had become completely unrecognizable when place side by side with Christ.

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Originally Posted by americablog.com
Yes, no one likes speaking ill of the dead. But we don't whitewash a life of bigotry and intolerance simply because the man is now gone. Al Sharpton (not a presidential candidate, but still) has already praised Falwell - that's absurd. Falwell supported apartheid, Mr. Sharpton. Falwell accused you and me of having caused September 11. Dead or alive, that is not the kind of man who deserves our praise. Jerry Falwell wasn't afraid of being a bigot in life, we shouldn't be afraid of calling him one in death.

EDIT: I could not agree more....
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Originally Posted by a random blog commenter
If there is an afterlife I hope whatever happens is full of the love, mercy, and justice of a mind far greater than mine.


skippy3481 05-15-2007 08:24 PM

In what ways did he change the message? I'm not super familiar with his stances.

brianwspencer 05-15-2007 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by skippy3481
In what ways did he change the message? I'm not super familiar with his stances.

You didn't quote, but I am guessing you were talking about my thought that he warped Christ's message.

I recommend reading to the bottom of this blog entry, at which point there are loads of links to Media Matters with some classic Falwell quotes. Red Letter Christians would not find any instance in which Jesus hated anyone. Whether He agreed or not, He never went out of his way to hurt others.

The mainstream media may whitewash his history to try to come off sympathetic, but his legacy will always be one of intolerance and shameful hate.

http://pamshouseblend.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=1681

brianwspencer 05-15-2007 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Bababooyee
This whole "supported apartheid" thing seems silly. As far as I can tell, he was against apartheid, but also against sanctions and such against South Africa for similar reasons as those who oppose sanctions against Cuba and/or China.

Not that I have a ton in common with him wrt politics and/or theology, but if you want to criticize, which is fine imho - say what you would if he were still alive, you might try being on-point as opposed to simply parroting what someone else says (let alone parroting folks who have a clear axe to grind).

Well I too have a clear axe to grind and have been an outspoken critic of Falwell since I was old enough to realize what he was all about. I'm having a hard time figuring out what I want to say about it, so I quoted a blog posting of someone whose words resonated with me at the time I read them. I need to process it and weigh the fact that I hate anyone's death with how much disdain I had for the man...that won't come for a few days. I'll be sure to provide a full report for you once I have all of my feelings sorted out.

You don't have the link to my blog, so you wouldn't know that I've talked about him before. I've referenced him as a terrible messenger for Christ, in my opinion, on my Myspace page. The only thing that has changed since he died this afternoon regarding your "say what you would if he were still alive" thing, is that I don't feel right speaking with the same vitriol towards him that I normally have in the past. That's human nature, or at least it is my nature, to not **** talk the dead the day of their passing. It's in poor taste, and I'll need a few days to digest the ramifications of what this means for me -- balancing my displeasure with the loss of human life with the pleasure of one less hateful voice on the airwaves.

So it's not "parroting" in the DTS sense, but rather a time for me to take a day or two and reflect on all of the things that I think about people like him and balance that with how I feel about anyone's passing. Sorry if I've so offended you in quoting a blog instead of posting my own thoughts about a man who most homosexuals considered Enemy #1 for his hate.

brianwspencer 05-15-2007 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Bababooyee
Ironically, RLC are about as theologically misguided as Falwell! :p

Red Letter or not, who did Jesus hate?


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