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ninetoone 05-09-2007 05:24 PM

OJ tossed out of Louisville steakhouse on eve of derby...
 
Hats off to the owner of this place...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070509/...people_simpson

timmgirvan 05-09-2007 05:31 PM

UH...can I have that to go??:D

Cajungator26 05-09-2007 05:50 PM

Probably not the smartest thing to do since everything in today's society has to do with race.

timmgirvan 05-09-2007 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Cajungator26
Probably not the smartest thing to do since everything in today's society has to do with race.

There's always the sign above the door....we reserve the right to refuse service!

ninetoone 05-09-2007 05:59 PM

sometimes it's not about being smart...& it was not about race


Danzig 05-09-2007 06:14 PM

good for him!

can't believe anyone would want that guys autograph.

Cajungator26 05-09-2007 06:21 PM

I'm not saying it did have anything to do with race... just saying that it's (of course) going to be played that way by OJ and his lawyers.

somerfrost 05-09-2007 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Cajungator26
I'm not saying it did have anything to do with race... just saying that it's (of course) going to be played that way by OJ and his lawyers.

Yeah, I have mixed feelings here. I owned a convenience store and worked managing other businesses that were open to the public, many times I had to deal with customers who I personally disliked...distasteful but necessary. Yes, you have a right to refuse service but you have to have a reason...can't be arbitrary. If there were white folks in OJ's crowd and if there were other blacks in the place then the owner might escape being accused of racism, but if the folks with OJ were all or mostly black and the other customers white then he's gonna have problems I'm afraid (unless of course the owner is black himself...nobody specified that). It's the reality of the times...the race card will be played here. If OJ wasn't doing anything that violated the rules of the place, then I frankly don't see how he can be refused service...again, if you own a business that deals with the public then you have to deal with all kinds of folks, including those you may dislike, unless they violate the rules of behavior. The owner may hate OJ, he's not alone, but his emotions may cost him here!

ninetoone 05-09-2007 06:56 PM

what about the fact that OJ said he "understood and would gather the rest of his party to leave"...how does that come into play, if at all? Seems to me it would.

Cajungator26 05-09-2007 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by ninetoone
what about the fact that OJ said he "understood and would gather the rest of his party to leave"...how does that come into play, if at all? Seems to me it would.

Perhaps OJ was saying, "I understand" in a I see said the blind man kind of way... perhaps OJ thought the guy was a racist. Who knows...

Personally, I would have a problem with OJ as well, but I probably would not have done what the restaurant owner did. Some things are worth fighting about... OJ eating dinner there was not. JMO.

Danzig 05-09-2007 07:28 PM

so, if he was a white guy pos who killed his ex wife and another guy, and he got thrown out because some idiots wanted his autograph, well that would be perfectly understandable...but since he's black, all bets are off? i think that's bullsh..!

if this guy made a habit out of throwing people out due to race, then by all means, play that race card. isolated incident? probably. should the guy get hounded for it? nope.

besides, al sharpton is busy right now with his own problems, doubt he has time to worry about oj--besides, no money to be made here.

Danzig 05-09-2007 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Cajungator26
Perhaps OJ was saying, "I understand" in a I see said the blind man kind of way... perhaps OJ thought the guy was a racist. Who knows...

Personally, I would have a problem with OJ as well, but I probably would not have done what the restaurant owner did. Some things are worth fighting about... OJ eating dinner there was not. JMO.

yeah, it's business, not personal. comes with that territory. but it is his business, and it's up to him as to how to run it.

Cajungator26 05-09-2007 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig
so, if he was a white guy pos who killed his ex wife and another guy, and he got thrown out because some idiots wanted his autograph, well that would be perfectly understandable...but since he's black, all bets are off? i think that's bullsh..!

if this guy made a habit out of throwing people out due to race, then by all means, play that race card. isolated incident? probably. should the guy get hounded for it? nope.

besides, al sharpton is busy right now with his own problems, doubt he has time to worry about oj--besides, no money to be made here.

No Deb, it wouldn't be understandable at all IMO. The guy is a piece of scum regardless of what color he is... just saying that he's most likely going to play the race card only because he CAN. (Unfortunately.)

my miss storm cat 05-09-2007 07:36 PM

I posted this on another thread but, ummm.... just wanted to share it.

Like a still from a Fellini movie... :eek: :D

http://sports.yahoo.com/rah/photo?sl...dby235&prov=ap

timmgirvan 05-09-2007 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Bababooyee
Probably not the smartest thing to do to a man capable of decapitating healthy adults with a knife.

Pretty sure he snuck up behind them, being the punk he is!

Coach Pants 05-09-2007 08:31 PM

What a racist prick.

Scurlogue Champ 05-09-2007 09:20 PM

I think it was a c u n t move no matter who it was.

No one knows if The Juice is guilty or not. Least of all Jeff Ruby.

Stupid stupid c u ntish thing to do.

Publicity stunt for the classless

somerfrost 05-09-2007 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by moodwalker
I think it was a c u n t move no matter who it was.

No one knows if The Juice is guilty or not. Least of all Jeff Ruby.

Stupid stupid c u ntish thing to do.

Publicity stunt for the classless

I saw the story on TV tonight, this guy is now a national celeb...frankly, I hope he enjoys his minutes of fame cause they may cost him dearly. This will probably be highlighted by race but I think the issue is somewhat different, as I said before, when you serve the public, you just can't exclude folks for no reason and disliking OJ is not a good reason. Regardless of folks here (and everywhere) who KNOW OJ killed his wife and Mr Goldman, he was found not guilty in a court of law...agree or disagree, he was found not guilty. This man is placing himself above the law by his actions...where does it stop? DTS feels George Bush is a war criminal, responsible for thousands of deaths, should he be allowed to kick Bush out of a restaurant if he owned it? The next time, it may be someone who KNOWS that you are a bad person....

timmgirvan 05-09-2007 09:47 PM

It was HIS restuarant...and anybody here should know it wasn't about race! Every establishment can deny service..and apparently the autograph seekers were causing the patrons some distress...so the owner did what he had to to protect his clientele! This BS will never darken the doorstep of a court

Cajungator26 05-09-2007 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Since it's inevitable the soapboxes will be lining up to this thread and already have, lets all be honest here. OJ's verdict was a travesty of justice plain and simple. And OJ has done nothing to improve his image at all, and let's not forget he was all set to go forth with a book about how he would have done it. OJ killed two people, and robbed his kids of their mother. If I owned a restaraunt I would kick him out too. Even if this was a publicity stunt, I applaud the guy. I would have a real problem if that scumbag showed up in a place I owned and contrary to what we are being told, you can refuse service to whomever you want.

Of course you can, but is it a battle worth taking? If OJ was a regular in the joint, then perhaps... but to start this kind of ordeal because he ate in there one night... nah.

By the way, I think the prick is guilty as well. I believe that he'll rot for what he did, but unfortunately, that's not up to me.

timmgirvan 05-09-2007 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Cajungator26
Of course you can, but is it a battle worth taking? If OJ was a regular in the joint, then perhaps... but to start this kind of ordeal because he ate in there one night... nah.

By the way, I think the prick is guilty as well. I believe that he'll rot for what he did, but unfortunately, that's not up to me.

Cajun: it's probably best for alot of people that we don't get to vote on that:D

Cajungator26 05-09-2007 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Well we are speculating there will even be a battle. There may not be as frankly I don't think OJ wants another ordeal. He's having the time of his life, playing golf, going to the Derby, while 2 people are dead.

To me, it would be worth the ordeal. I wouldn't want him in my place, plain and simple.

Fair enough... I can respect that. I had heard that he's been seen all around south Florida with a blonde that looks just like Nicole. Just unreal... he's a piece of shiat.

ELA 05-09-2007 10:00 PM

Delicate subject. First, just because the trial was turned into a "racial" issue doesn't mean that this or any other incident is a "racial" issue as well. To me, there was no racial aspect to the trial. That manuever was merely a legal team practicing law and adding an ingredient to a recipe that didn't belong. Well, the proof is in the pudding -- either due to the weakness of the case put on by the prosecution, the evidence or lack thereof, or the racial aspects, and perhaps numerous other aspects -- OJ was found not gulity.

Second, regarding the incident, I have no problem with a business owner taking a stand on his or her principles. If in fact, that actually what it is. Unless anyone can speak to the person and his principles, beliefs, etc. -- then perhaps we will never know.

Eric

pgardn 05-09-2007 10:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by moodwalker
I think it was a c u n t move no matter who it was.

No one knows if The Juice is guilty or not. Least of all Jeff Ruby.

Stupid stupid c u ntish thing to do.

Publicity stunt for the classless

He was found not guilty and then guilty. And of course no one knows for sure. But anyone who really understands what went on in the first trial knows he certainly is not innocent. Not guilty does not equal innocent.

And quite seriously, anyone who followed this thing... and the aftermath, you have got to be a complete idiot to believe the guy was INNOCENT. I dont care what flippin color the man is. I loved this guy and thought he was all class. He was one of my favorite football players. His wife was far from an angel, very messy situation. But come on... gravity does really exist.

Samarta 05-10-2007 06:17 AM

Let me preface this with I think he's guilty, I don't know how he looks in the mirror, much less his kids everyday, and he will pay at some point for what he did. Now that that's out of the way, the restaraunt owner was wrong. It's a public place. The right to refuse service angle does not work here. The guy came in with a group and tried to have dinner in a public place. There was no ruckus, nothing says they were disruptive, you can speculate all you want about the race card, it simply doesn't matter. The only way this guy could pull it off without being wrong was to close for the evening. Oh but wait, it's the busiest night of the year in Louisville, he can't do that. So what should he have done? He should have served the party and gotten over himself.

Danzig 05-10-2007 06:21 AM

the restaurant is open to the public, but by the same token, the man as owner has the right to refuse service. he did so, whether he ends up paying a price for that or not--it was his call.

but to inject race into this imo is dead wrong. the guy had a problem with oj because of what the man did, not what his color is--and to continually bring up race, regardless of whether it is at issue, is like peter crying wolf. it doesn't always apply, but when it does, is it somehow cheapened because there are so many times it is mentioned without reason??

Samarta 05-10-2007 06:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Danzig
the restaurant is open to the public, but by the same token, the man as owner has the right to refuse service. he did so, whether he ends up paying a price for that or not--it was his call.

but to inject race into this imo is dead wrong. the guy had a problem with oj because of what the man did, not what his color is--and to continually bring up race, regardless of whether it is at issue, is like peter crying wolf. it doesn't always apply, but when it does, is it somehow cheapened because there are so many times it is mentioned without reason??

You know, if I were the restaurant owner, there is no way in hell I would want to take a chance in court on that one.....because this is no different than him standing in front of his place saying "you get in, you don't get in.." Guilty or not guilty isn't the question here....the guy was wrong.

timmgirvan 05-10-2007 07:20 AM

They just had the owner on the news. and he was asked if it was racial with OJ. He said no..because as soon as OJ and his people cleared out, Michael Jordan and his party of 30 were there to fill the chairs!:eek:

timmgirvan 05-10-2007 07:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Samarta
You know, if I were the restaurant owner, there is no way in hell I would want to take a chance in court on that one.....because this is no different than him standing in front of his place saying "you get in, you don't get in.." Guilty or not guilty isn't the question here....the guy was wrong.

Sam: you know that's wrong! that's the same way you were allowed to go to all those hot clubs with the heavy security:D

Danzig 05-10-2007 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Samarta
You know, if I were the restaurant owner, there is no way in hell I would want to take a chance in court on that one.....because this is no different than him standing in front of his place saying "you get in, you don't get in.." Guilty or not guilty isn't the question here....the guy was wrong.


no, he wasn't wrong. now, if he made a habit of this--well, he sure wouldn't be in business long. but again, it's his establishment, and if he wants to refuse to serve a person, or a party, he has that right. just like anyone who is offended by his actions has the right not to frequent his restaurant.

brianwspencer 05-10-2007 08:09 AM

I love this man. If I had a restaurant, OJ wouldn't be allowed in my place either -- by himself or with a party of 30 people. He's disgusting.

timmgirvan 05-10-2007 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by brianwspencer
I love this man. If I had a restaurant, OJ wouldn't be allowed in my place either -- by himself or with a party of 30 people. He's disgusting.

That's you,Bri.....fair and balanced:D

brianwspencer 05-10-2007 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by timmgirvan
That's you,Bri.....fair and balanced:D

What can I say? I was still really a kid when that trial was going on, and even then I was smart enough to know that it was wildly obvious that he killed those two and incredulous even then that a group of people managed to agree that he didn't do it.

He hasn't done much to change my opinion since then, acting generally like a pig in public every chance he gets.

So really, what other option would there be? Good good good for the guy who owns that place.

2 Dollar Bill 05-10-2007 10:03 AM

Reading the thread... OJ tossed out of Louisville...

What are they only serving Carrot Juice now ? :p

Samarta 05-10-2007 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by timmgirvan
Sam: you know that's wrong! that's the same way you were allowed to go to all those hot clubs with the heavy security:D

amazing what $20 did 20 years ago...:D

Samarta 05-10-2007 09:06 PM

[quote=Danzig]no, he wasn't wrong. now, if he made a habit of this--well, he sure wouldn't be in business long. but again, it's his establishment, and if he wants to refuse to serve a person, or a party, he has that right. just like anyone who is offended by his actions has the right not to frequent his restaurant.[/QUOTE

He is entitled to beliefs, but he was absolutely wrong by refusing to serve him based on those beliefs and I would be amazed if any court in the land didn't see it that way as well. Hell I could argue that case and win. Again, I think O.J. is a p.o.s. and the guiltiest man alive, but he was found not guilty and has a right to eat wherever he wants...

Danzig 05-10-2007 09:24 PM

if a woman hasn't got the right to golf at augusta, why the big deal about oj getting tossed out of a restaurant???

where i work is open to the public, yet it is still private property. just like that guys restaurant. he can refuse service, and he did. but of course with our society being so eager to sue, maybe a mountain will be made out of a molehill. who gives a damn if oj was put out, and had to dine elsewhere? i don't.


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